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  • lyon804
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-02-09
    • 6526

    #141
    Originally posted by TGoat
    Do you have any idea how many points you would have if you had continued on with our original deal (post #139)? By the way, I know I didn't mention this, but I was going to have you raise the bet as the points accumulated. This is what I predicted in your older thread:

    "Let's say in a month's time you bet 200 games at 60% winners. That would be 120 winning games and 80 losers. (120*.909-80=+29 units) At 10 points per unit you would be up 290 points. That's 145 apiece plus I get my 100 point spot back."

    When we started that deal you were 50-25, and now you're 122-62. Without raising the bet in just 10 days it would be +265. My projection of 290 points was for an entire month. Multiply 265 x 4 and you would be at 1050 at the end of the month--and that's without ever raising the bet. With some periodic bet raising along the way it could easily be about 2000 points in a months time split two ways. Now imagine that was real money.

    The whole point I was trying to make by setting up that deal was to show you that betting a certain unit size and sticking with it is the best way to accumulate profits.

    Chucking it all on your best bet of the day is going to keep you broke forever. Betting your whole roll even if it's only for points won't ever get you anywhere.

    And don't even begin to think that if you were betting real money you wouldn't have done this. I've been around gamblers my whole life, and there is no way in hell you could resist the temptation. I can tell. Gamblers do crazy things when they're winning and especially when they're losing. Inexperienced gamblers have to learn the hard way.

    I also think going for a free play is the wrong move. You should go for the $50 account value instead. That way you can bet a percentage of your money on each game. If you can wait until you get 1200 points, you would have $100 and that's even better. Now you can bet $5 per game and grind it out. That's what gambling is all about you know--finding an edge and then grinding it out. Nobody every gets rich quickly--you get rich slowly.

    I've got 800-900 points just sitting around doing nothing, and I'm still willing to put some of them to work staking you if you ever want to try it again--and you can figure out a way to keep all of your bets straight. I know you'll stick to the plan when it's somebody else's money. But I also understand why you'd rather not do it.

    All that being said, you're still doing a great job capping--especially the colleges. Keep up the good work.

    TGoat you just articulated that much better than me..I was saying the same thing to him a few days ago in this thread or another. What's most dissapointing about this whole thing is the young man has talent... What he has you can't teach or learn.. yea you can, but not to his degree or level. His record speaks for itelf in many ways. That you can still be a champ at picking winners and broke still because you are a chump at managaing money,points,etc. And yes TGoat is right. This same kinda behavior would have been repeated with real money.. not just points.


    Rochesertitans, I told you before the other day you reminded me alot of myself back in the day... I know what your going thru right now.. I never have picked the winning percentage you have now or ever over the period of games you have proved it over.. The biggest problem you have stems from your youth.. You are impatient and in a hurry to make your goals. You can't wait to tommorow, you must have it today. I also think your need to gamble is much stronger than your will to make money... Young man don't think I am being critical of you I am not.. I am speaking on these things because I want to see you win. I know what I am talking about as well because I have been down the same road. I too loved to gamble too much and chase and everything wrong you can do I have done it.. You will not ever change your life for the better until you confront these demons..


    You want me to tell you something sick.... alot of you will disagree, but what I am about to say comes frome me deep.

    "In a way losing is much more enjoyable than winning, because in order to win one must be very disciplined"

    Dude, making money sports wagering is not fun. I have been at this game for over 11 yrs. I spent well over the first half of that time reupping my accounts or paying my bookie. In the latter part of the 11 yrs I have matured and growed up now and can honestly say I do not have to work because of my sports wagering winnings. I still own my own business so I am not a professional in a sense that I am not relying on winning tonite to eat tommorow kinda thing.


    Basically, it's like this... You need to learn to love money and what money can do more than you love your "action" and "impatience".

    Again, I wrote all this because I want to see you do it.I believe you have a real talent. over 96% of sports wagerers will not approach you level of success in the time period you have. Me personally... Never close to the run you are on, not even now...but i got money!!
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    • SpreadSniper
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 02-17-09
      • 6125

      #142
      This kid could and I'm sure WILL be rollin in it soon enough. Its obvious he needs to work on his mgmnt a bit, but NCAAB picks are ****in GOLD!
      I hope you don't think we are raggin on you for no good reason bud - a lot of us see A TON of potential in you.... I have never had as much blind faith in someones NCAAB picks as I have for yours...

      1.Win 27-JanBasketball/NCAA (Spread) Notre Dame vs Villanova (-11) for Game (-110) 72 - 90 2.Push 27-JanBasketball/NCAA (Spread) Delaware (+11) vs George Mason for Game (-110) 66 - 77 3.Win 27-JanBasketball/NCAA (Spread) Bowling Green (+4) vs Eastern Michigan for Game (-110) 64 - 61 4.Win 27-JanBasketball/NCAA (Spread) Vanderbilt (+6.5) vs Tennessee for Game (-110) 85 - 76

      With most of my sports betting I have had to go through the ringer before I actually started to learn about the particular sport I was betting on, in a gambling capacity. You are helping me learn a ton about College hoops and making me tidy little profits along the way...

      I will be in you debt for quite a while and if there is anything I can do to help you out, let me know.
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      • colts
        SBR MVP
        • 01-09-10
        • 1563

        #143
        Rochester - I read the posts from TGoat, Lyon804, and SpreadSniper. They sound like real stand up guys with a lot of sports wagering experience. Money management plays a huge role in accumulating wealth. I also learned this the hard way. Hopefully you will take their advice to heart. By the way, you are killing it! Way to go. Keep it up.
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        • SpreadSniper
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-17-09
          • 6125

          #144
          P.S - Roch, you owe me one more 100 bomb so I can try and win back my 100 points tonight!
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          • Gio21
            SBR MVP
            • 11-13-09
            • 1594

            #145
            Originally posted by TGoat
            Do you have any idea how many points you would have if you had continued on with our original deal (post #139)? By the way, I know I didn't mention this, but I was going to have you raise the bet as the points accumulated. This is what I predicted in your older thread:

            "Let's say in a month's time you bet 200 games at 60% winners. That would be 120 winning games and 80 losers. (120*.909-80=+29 units) At 10 points per unit you would be up 290 points. That's 145 apiece plus I get my 100 point spot back."

            When we started that deal you were 50-25, and now you're 122-62. Without raising the bet in just 10 days it would be +265. My projection of 290 points was for an entire month. Multiply 265 x 4 and you would be at 1050 at the end of the month--and that's without ever raising the bet. With some periodic bet raising along the way it could easily be about 2000 points in a months time split two ways. Now imagine that was real money.

            The whole point I was trying to make by setting up that deal was to show you that betting a certain unit size and sticking with it is the best way to accumulate profits.

            Chucking it all on your best bet of the day is going to keep you broke forever. Betting your whole roll even if it's only for points won't ever get you anywhere.

            And don't even begin to think that if you were betting real money you wouldn't have done this. I've been around gamblers my whole life, and there is no way in hell you could resist the temptation. I can tell. Gamblers do crazy things when they're winning and especially when they're losing. Inexperienced gamblers have to learn the hard way.

            I also think going for a free play is the wrong move. You should go for the $50 account value instead. That way you can bet a percentage of your money on each game. If you can wait until you get 1200 points, you would have $100 and that's even better. Now you can bet $5 per game and grind it out. That's what gambling is all about you know--finding an edge and then grinding it out. Nobody every gets rich quickly--you get rich slowly.

            I've got 800-900 points just sitting around doing nothing, and I'm still willing to put some of them to work staking you if you ever want to try it again--and you can figure out a way to keep all of your bets straight. I know you'll stick to the plan when it's somebody else's money. But I also understand why you'd rather not do it.

            All that being said, you're still doing a great job capping--especially the colleges. Keep up the good work.
            I have to agree with tgoat here I opened my account with $50 and started betting $5 a game and when I start to increase my bankroll I started to increase my bet size. I learned that there is no quick way to get rich in gambling its a season long grind. Your picks are solid and there is no reason why you shouldn't make a profit if you stick to some strict money managment. BOL to you!
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            • rochestertitans
              Restricted User
              • 12-14-09
              • 8149

              #146
              some earlys as lines will move

              Loyola Chic. +9.5 5*+++ (remember these boys) lol
              Citadel -2.5 4*
              arizona/stanford OVER 144 4.5*
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              • SpreadSniper
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-17-09
                • 6125

                #147
                does loyola qualify as the "100 bomb"?
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                • doubledime
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 04-22-09
                  • 9751

                  #148
                  [COLOR=#000000 !important]Roch just some advice from a guy over twice your age. No one can deny that your plays have been solid for some time now and I congratulate on that. It's not easy to do. However, this is a cyclical business with peaks and valleys, no matter how good you are. To that end, may I suggest that perhaps you tone down your words a bit. Words like bombs, lock, gyno etc. are not necessary and can only come back to bite you in the ass later and open you up to criticism form nay sayers on this site. Hey, it's American and you can write what you like, but ..."I'm just saying"

                  Keep up the good work and may all your plays be winners.
                  [/COLOR]
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                  • dvb02
                    SBR MVP
                    • 06-30-09
                    • 2941

                    #149
                    Originally posted by colts
                    Rochester - I read the posts from TGoat, Lyon804, and SpreadSniper. They sound like real stand up guys with a lot of sports wagering experience. Money management plays a huge role in accumulating wealth. I also learned this the hard way. Hopefully you will take their advice to heart. By the way, you are killing it! Way to go. Keep it up.
                    Roch, this is all very true. Hopefully you will take to heart.
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                    • lyon804
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-02-09
                      • 6526

                      #150
                      When Rochestertitians puts it all together he will be a books nightmare. Books are not used to dealing with someone that hits such a high percentage and has the money management skills to go with it. I know he can do it. He lacks discipline, not skill. Discipline is hard to learn and to be exercised. At the end of the day if I was to take someone under my wing I would choose someone hitting 66% of his games rather than somone hitting 42% of them. Don't get me wrong 42% can be profitable if you are an elite mm hitting your top bets, but it sure as hell is walking a tight rope.
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                      • Glitch
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-08-09
                        • 11795

                        #151
                        some real sh*t.

                        came in here lookin for some more free golden picks- read somethin deep and sound .
                        i hope you dont feel attacked roc. good stuff man. keep em comin.
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                        • SpreadSniper
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 02-17-09
                          • 6125

                          #152
                          80+% on Gonzaga and the line is dropping
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                          • lyon804
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-02-09
                            • 6526

                            #153
                            Originally posted by Glitch
                            some real sh*t.

                            came in here lookin for some more free golden picks- read somethin deep and sound .
                            i hope you dont feel attacked roc. good stuff man. keep em comin.

                            I think he knows we all want to see him do well. Hopefully, he doesn't feel attacked. I think the kid has a gift. He might not maintain 66% forever, but he has carried it over enough plays to let me know there is something their. 66% is not attainable by anybody that is not connected over the long haul,but at the same time though joe public is not gonna put the number up he has. Again, we hope he puts it all together and grows.. The sky will be the limit.. It's a point you realize the books are working for you and you are not working for them anymore. That's where it's at. That's where you want to be..

                            I am certainly myself not being critical of him. I understand what he is going thru all to well. I have never picked winners at his % over as many games as him, but I know what it is like to throw it all away by chasing and being impatient. You really have to give up your entertainment to make money in this business. Money made sports wagering is definitely money earned. Don't let anybody tell you any different. For those of you reading this that are above college age and did not get a degree... Being a success at sports wagering is just as worthy as any degree you can attain.. more so in my opinion.
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                            • tongo
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 08-20-09
                              • 132

                              #154
                              someone should take like 20 bucks and bet with his picks and if he wins send him a check
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                              • dvb02
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-30-09
                                • 2941

                                #155
                                Originally posted by Glitch
                                some real sh*t.

                                came in here lookin for some more free golden picks- read somethin deep and sound .
                                i hope you dont feel attacked roc. good stuff man. keep em comin.
                                Glitch, nobody is attacking Roch at all (except for Snapstick). In fact, everyone is pulling for him.
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                                • rochestertitans
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 12-14-09
                                  • 8149

                                  #156
                                  UCLA +4 4*
                                  Long Beach St. +2.5 3*
                                  Ole Miss -4 4*
                                  Fresno State +5.5 5*
                                  Seton Hall -2 5*
                                  Jacksonville St. -12 3*
                                  Virginia Tech +3 4*
                                  Loyola chicago +9.5 5*+++
                                  Citadel-2.5 4.5*
                                  AZ/Standford over 144 5*
                                  buffalo-11 5*++++


                                  Fade away good luck make some $$ boys
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                                  • rochestertitans
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 12-14-09
                                    • 8149

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by SpreadSniper
                                    P.S - Roch, you owe me one more 100 bomb so I can try and win back my 100 points tonight!

                                    yes
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                                    • rochestertitans
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 12-14-09
                                      • 8149

                                      #158
                                      thanks for the advice i got 300 points need 300 more.. might go all in on loyola
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                                      • rochestertitans
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 12-14-09
                                        • 8149

                                        #159
                                        made another play.. thats it for today...

                                        buffalo-11 5*++++

                                        they will kill um
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                                        • lordmohs
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 11-11-09
                                          • 351

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by rochestertitans
                                          thanks for the advice i got 300 points need 300 more.. might go all in on loyola

                                          You make me laugh. But come on let's do this right

                                          I will be betting those points for you again and shipping it over.
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                                          • rochestertitans
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 12-14-09
                                            • 8149

                                            #161
                                            im thickheaded
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                                            • rochestertitans
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 12-14-09
                                              • 8149

                                              #162
                                              WagerType:Date:Team:Risking / To WinTicket#:STRAIGHT BETJan 28CBB [527] LOYOLA CHICAGO +9-110 330.00 SBR / 300.00 SBR78737

                                              all in
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                                              • Wade Dwayne
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 01-07-10
                                                • 907

                                                #163
                                                with that record roch u could clean out a bookie if u played with real money. Anyways im tailin ur loyola pik with 3 units and i will put 60 on them in the sbr books and give u the rewards.
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                                                • rochestertitans
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 12-14-09
                                                  • 8149

                                                  #164
                                                  lol at the thread in private zone about me... hater////
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                                                  • southpaw74
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-21-09
                                                    • 7104

                                                    #165
                                                    GL my friend...
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                                                    • incomeraise
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-28-09
                                                      • 1136

                                                      #166
                                                      missed most of the plays...too bad for mr
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                                                      • rochestertitans
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 12-14-09
                                                        • 8149

                                                        #167
                                                        loyola gettin ran over 2nd half wtf
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                                                        • rochestertitans
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 12-14-09
                                                          • 8149

                                                          #168
                                                          buffalo didnt come to play god dammit
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                                                          • rochestertitans
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 12-14-09
                                                            • 8149

                                                            #169
                                                            might have an 0 for day
                                                            fuk sorry guys
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                                                            • rochestertitans
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 12-14-09
                                                              • 8149

                                                              #170
                                                              both big plays lose back at 0
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                                                              • rochestertitans
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 12-14-09
                                                                • 8149

                                                                #171
                                                                funny thing is.. i even wrote fade away
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                                                                • rochestertitans
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 12-14-09
                                                                  • 8149

                                                                  #172
                                                                  i am so sorry guys... upset u guys lost $$$ dont even car bout the points rite now
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                                                                  • rochestertitans
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 12-14-09
                                                                    • 8149

                                                                    #173
                                                                    these are the days y i am acared to death to bet with $$$, i.ll be back 2maro tho
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                                                                    • southpaw74
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 12-21-09
                                                                      • 7104

                                                                      #174
                                                                      It's ok roch! Loyola fell apart citadel to we will build it back up!!
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                                                                      • rochestertitans
                                                                        Restricted User
                                                                        • 12-14-09
                                                                        • 8149

                                                                        #175
                                                                        it was the right side dammitt.
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