Help! I'm being robbed by CK and Sexymit!

[Justin7]

There aren't many posters worth paying attention to, but these two are right more than they're wrong. Even a bit deadly at WNBA...

The problem: you're crashing my lines! I bet a lot of the same stuff, but I can't bet until limits go up.

Would you two pick-pockets consider waiting until 11am EST to post your plays (when limits are higher, and everyone can get down more?)

[haserfauld]

why on earth would they do that

[Bread]

There aren't many posters worth paying attention to,

I sure hope I'm on your short list Justin!!!!!

[Justin7]

Maybe they'll want to be bigger as they keep winning?

Maybe they don't want me to hit them with a "Justin Whammy" and send them on a 10-game losing streak?

Or maybe they understand gaming theory

[RogueScholar]

Maybe they'll want to be bigger as they keep winning?

Maybe they don't want me to hit them with a "Justin Whammy" and send them on a 10-game losing streak?

Or maybe they understand gaming theory

Sounds a little like market coercion to me. Is this sort of veiled threat ethical? I'm sure if they're sharp enough to win they're sharp enough to wait for limits to rise to their maximum comfortable stake. If they're comfortable playing at the limits available when they release their plays then more power to them, don't change a thing.

[pavyracer]

This thread doesn't make any sense. It's their money they can bet whenever they want. It's not nice trying to be a cop here telling people how to bet their own damn money.

[Justin7]

This thread doesn't make any sense. It's their money they can bet whenever they want. It's not nice trying to be a cop here telling people how to bet their own damn money.

Yes, they can do what they like. If they keep betting early, everyone will. It *could* be a race to see who hits the opener first. if that happens, the pie is much smaller. Everyone loses - not just me, but CK, Sexymit, and every WNBA capper out there that wins.

[nosniboR11]

come on Justin your a bigger man than this, or are you

[Flying Dutchman]

Ha, ha.

Pavy and Rogue, I thought you were smart guys. You really don't fvking get it do you? You guys simply don't understand these small sports markets.

[Nickelicious]

I think I've seen Ferringo move the NCAA Bball lines when he plays Ivy League schools and even smaller runts.

[Justin7]

If you want to make good money on small markets, market collusion is mandatory.

[RogueScholar]

Ha, ha.

Pavy and Rogue, I thought you were smart guys. You really don't fvking get it do you? You guys simply don't understand these small sports markets.

There may be areas of knowledge where I'm considered sharp, but I'll be the first to concede that gambling isn't one of them. All of this is recreational to me, and the only sport that I'm actively trying to make profitable for me is tennis. It just seems to me that if you're reliant on market collusion to make a profit at a sport, then you're operating from a position of weakness. You have to acknowledge that and accept that your weakness will be exploited by others as a part of human nature.

[RoagBettor]

I've been following these picks since Day One. As far as I could tell, up until recently RAS was the only one able to move the lines. But I have noticed (especially thanks to our "Tweeting" the picks) that the lines on Bookmaker move right after we announce it.

That being said, I also watch these lines right up until game time, and many times they go back down to the original line, or sometimes even more against us.

But the bottom line is good capping will overcome these small line movements. Rarely have CK and SM lost a game over a 1/2 to 1 pt.

[Flying Dutchman]

But the bottom line is good capping will overcome these small line movements. Rarely have CK and SM lost a game over a 1/2 to 1 pt.

Rarely? 1/10 times? 1/20 times? 1/50 times? Do you even know, really?

So you're letting your own release beat you up during in the day and you hope to buy in just before the game?

And you don't think there is anything wrong with this?

[RoagBettor]

I rarely bet their games, at least not straight up. I'm a teaser/parlay guy and the scorekeeper, and I usually make my plays when the lines are first available.

[Psylence]

There aren't many posters worth paying attention to, but these two are right more than they're wrong. Even a bit deadly at WNBA...

The problem: you're crashing my lines! I bet a lot of the same stuff, but I can't bet until limits go up.

Would you two pick-pockets consider waiting until 11am EST to post your plays (when limits are higher, and everyone can get down more?)

Greed Greed! Share the wealth

[Robust]

don't worry justin.. i'll post the same plays as them.. and at 50%, the lines will bounce back in your favor

Robust

[RogueJuror]

If you want to make good money on small markets, market collusion is mandatory.

Could have brought it to them, instead of giving your problem more attention and possibly making it worse for you.

[Skalatharx]

If you want to make good money on small markets, market collusion is mandatory.

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[cocknocker]

Let's say that we have our heads on a game with a team +6, and decide to wait it out. Then the game that we want is promoted by RAS while we are waiting for a collusive time for us to all play the game. The line drops to 4.5 and we end up having to take it at that number but the team looses by 5. That's working together to get a collusive loss. Would that make y'all happy then?

Look, I am not into the scientific side of wagering. I am a mover, not a shaker. It's obvious that I have my plays planned out two sometimes three days ahead of time and I make that fact known on the thread. If you wish to wait and play late or play upon release the choice is yours. The hard part has already been done for you , which is the handicapping and the cognitive work regarding situations. Whatever the number ends up being by gametime is out of my control, but I always know based upon my projections what number I want to play the game at

In short, if you know the play is coming (as everyone usually will know in advance) manage your move on your own. We have your back on the other shit, but it's your money and it's each individual's money and it's each individuals' choice on which book that they use.

I would not feel comfortable telling YOU when/if you should make/post your plays based upon MY want to get the right number that I desire. If the info is sound and the side/total makes sense, than it just is what it is. It's the number against the world and the world against the number. Trust me, I have had people taling me for a lot of years now, and I know that even if i don't want to admit it, I have a certain amount of responsibility to my following to give my best effort.

I don't think that asking me to help with collusion is being fair with respect to what I already do for the public daily win/lose/draw. Trust me I fully understand what you are requesting, but it is unreasonable. We have guys who live in China, Belgium, the U.K. India, etc. There is no right time, cuzz!

While we're at it, since we're ar on the subject of collusion, I would like to know why SBR is attempting to charge us $2500.00 for us to advertise on your site with our propsed site, especialy with the amount of traffic that we create and potential customers.

So when you really want to sit down and talk collusion, we are ready!

Sincerely

CK and Sexymit

[RogueScholar]

Elihu, you just got served!

Based on that post alone I am now proud to be part of the CK & SexyMit fan club!

[Zelda]

What is the link to your site pls CK?

[Justin7]

The collusion is for the players, against the sportsbook. If you post your play at 2am, the on-screen market can soak up perhaps 4k at the number you release. If it waits until 11am, players can get down 10x as much. For this reason, RAS almost never posts before limits go up to full.

The value to your followers will be much better when more people can get the number. If it's just ego, post your plays versus openers. You can show you know your stuff, even if only 1/10th as many people get the number you got.

[Zelda]

The collusion is for the players, against the sportsbook. If you post your play at 2am, the on-screen market can soak up perhaps 4k at the number you release. If it waits until 11am, players can get down 10x as much.

Or wait until the market moves against them...is WNBA such a small market, that we can assume CK & fellowship are the only ones who know their stuff there?

[RogueScholar]

It works for Pags that way, beating the openers that almost noone else can get, and the Mods lick the sweat off Pags' nutsack. I say keep doing what you're doing, CK & SexyMit!

[pavyracer]

It works for Pags that way, beating the openers that almost noone else can get, and the Mods lick the sweat off Pags' nutsack. I say keep doing what you're doing, CK & SexyMit!

[unknown Gambler]

[quote=Justin7;2084575]There aren't many posters worth paying attention to,

What a nice thing for a mod to say,at least your honest.

[cocknocker]

The collusion is for the players, against the sportsbook. If you post your play at 2am, the on-screen market can soak up perhaps 4k at the number you release. If it waits until 11am, players can get down 10x as much. For this reason, RAS almost never posts before limits go up to full.

The value to your followers will be much better when more people can get the number. If it's just ego, post your plays versus openers. You can show you know your stuff, even if only 1/10th as many people get the number you got.

The anti trust is for the linemaker, the books are in collusion, the market shakers are the touts and bigs, the middle gound are the sharps, and the small market is us the underground. RAS has a good product, and Ed is to be commended for what he is doing and how he is doing it. It may work for him and his players.

But he doesn't know that Pho3nix32 just had a wedding and lives his days while we sleep in China, or that I have a child on the way,or that Sexymit gets up at 3:00 every morning to go to work, or shoebox is living in a hotel for a couple of weeks on business. The best time is a different time for everybody, including those who want an edge.

I post my plays PRIOR to openers and at the opening bell all of the time, and I play mine right then and guess what? Surprise! I also share that when I play my plays early. That's what this is all about isn't it? A degenerate guy in Vallejo who is drunk and makes a play late at night after waiting for two days for the line to released. Hell if I have had enough to drink I may even buy 3 points to make sure my number is how I want it on my side 10 minutes after it opens. I don't know if you have missed it, but I have always made my threads with leans the night BEFORE the games. Apparently that is my style. And those who know my style can attest, that when the sun comes up, CK has a play ready, a thread to read while you sip your coffee.

It's not ego, Justin7. I've been good at this long enough for the ego part to have been sanded away a long time ago. It's an underground guy at work, plain and simple

[Justin7]

It's just a matter of objectives. Is your goal to make as much money as quickly as you can given your bankroll? Yes, fire at openers if that makes sense. Your analysis is more wrong than right (which is a huge compliment - this puts you in the 99th percentile of all sports bettors). You're either a professional, or have the capacity to be one.

Sharing picks is all good. In almost all cases, I don't care. They're your plays, your analysis. By right, you can do whatever you want with them.

From one professional to another, you are costing me money. If your knowledge is disseminated to people that won't do their own work, and the packs of early followers bet the openers moving them 5 cents, that costs me close to $75 on every $3k bet I make (or it moves the line to where I can't bet it).

Your work is good, and you're a favorite to keep winning. But... if you continue burning openers down like this, you cost yourself opportunities. Every party of the collusion against the books is less likely to share information with you. You'll keep beating them on your own, but you'll never be invited to "the boy's club".

If you truly want to help the most people, and hurt the fewest, at least be aware of how the timing of your posts will draw the ire of some.

Regardless of your choices, best of luck going forward.

[reno cool]

what a yahoo.

[cocknocker]

I'll tell you what, Justin7 we're fair guys. I talked this collusion thing over with Sexymit, and we have agreed to released plays whenever you would like for us to release them if you guys (SBR) will cut the fees for advertising by half and charge us $1250.00 to put our thing here.

I feel the same way about that subject as you self titled this thread taking our names out and installing y'alls in there.

So there you have it Justin7. The balls' in your court. Now you are the only thing holding things up from being the way that you allege is best. We're working on our thing and would like to get back some of the support that the roughly 280,000 or so creepers on our thread are giving your services

[Zelda]

looks like 2 touts to me, who made up this yahoo for some sexy advertisement J/K

[cocknocker]

It's just a matter of objectives. Is your goal to make as much money as quickly as you can given your bankroll? Yes, fire at openers if that makes sense. Your analysis is more wrong than right (which is a huge compliment - this puts you in the 99th percentile of all sports bettors). You're either a professional, or have the capacity to be one.

Sharing picks is all good. In almost all cases, I don't care. They're your plays, your analysis. By right, you can do whatever you want with them.

From one professional to another, you are costing me money. If your knowledge is disseminated to people that won't do their own work, and the packs of early followers bet the openers moving them 5 cents, that costs me close to $75 on every $3k bet I make (or it moves the line to where I can't bet it).

Your work is good, and you're a favorite to keep winning. But... if you continue burning openers down like this, you cost yourself opportunities. Every party of the collusion against the books is less likely to share information with you. You'll keep beating them on your own, but you'll never be invited to "the boy's club".

If you truly want to help the most people, and hurt the fewest, at least be aware of how the timing of your posts will draw the ire of some.

Regardless of your choices, best of luck going forward.

Then buy three points on top of what I offer. That's from one professional to the other. It works like magic and it onviously will cut down on you winnings, but it will increase your winning percentage if that is what you're wishing to get accomplished here. If you're trying to win big right now like me as you put it, my advice is to do what everyone else does and pull up my latest post.

I eat drink and sleep for the lines. Look back over my posts and note that I begin conversing about the line immediately after it comes out

[Justin7]

Advertising is outside my scope. I focus on player disputes (which oddly enough, I enjoy) and extracting money from sportsbooks.

I haven't seen the ad you wanted to post. What are you two selling? WNBA picks?

[InTheHole]

Great Thread