[theone78]

ok , if vegas wanted to trap people and sway them to bet one certain way more then they are vunerable to lose money and they DON NOT WANT THAT AT ALL ! they set lines just to even out the action... every 1,000 dollars bet vegas makes 100 dollar on that and thats all they care about... for instance in the super bowl n.e. - 2 1/2 vegas wants 1,000,000,000 bet on the giants and 1,000,000,000 bet on the pats so they pocket the gaurenteed 100,000 if they make trap lines and try to get bets one way they vegas mine as well close down there sports books and go gamble themselves ! this is why there are not " trap lines" hopefully this solves this million dollar question

[LeagueCapper]

Books wanting even action is the biggest myth in this industry. They dont care about even action or the measly pennies they earn on the juice. Trust me

[gilbert91016]

Impossible to get even action on both sides I would think

[theone78]

if they gamble they thye would lose like everyone else... books that get big action on games ofcourse they want even action you dont know what your talking about.

[theone78]

ofcourse its not easy to get even action on games, but they set lines trying to make public go both ways , thats there intention !

[YouHave2outs]

i think you are incorrect. i believe vegas is gambling on almost every nba game tonight and will likely clean once again. if their intention was to get even money on both sides many of the lines would have already moved multiple points.

[theone78]

ofcourse they are certainly ga,bling cause its mostly not even betting , but thats what keeps there head above water that 10 % trust me ok. do you know any gamblers that picked 60 % in a 20 year span capping games every night ???????? if you do i wanna meet this guy cause thats what its gonna take to beat thebooks if you bet 100 bucks on every game for 20 years you need to wi 60 % of your games to make money. and its not easy to win 60 percent in 20 years . and its almost impossible to win 70 %

[convick]

Books wanting even action is the biggest myth in this industry. They dont care about even action or the measly pennies they earn on the juice. Trust me

Why move lines at all then? Release them and keep them static.

[illAdelph]

You are 100% incorrect. I will look for an article I read which contains an interview with a former Oddsmaker.

Getting even action is next to impossible and not something that books even strive for.

Trap lines do exist.

[YouHave2outs]

ofcourse they are certainly ga,bling cause its mostly not even betting , but thats what keeps there head above water that 10 % trust me ok. do you know any gamblers that picked 60 % in a 20 year span capping games every night ???????? if you do i wanna meet this guy cause thats what its gonna take to beat thebooks if you bet 100 bucks on every game for 20 years you need to wi 60 % of your games to make money. and its not easy to win 60 percent in 20 years . and its almost impossible to win 70 %

lol 60%. you can make BANK winning 55% if you bet enough. 52.3% is break even. stop spouting nonsense

[LeagueCapper]

Theone you have no idea what your talking about so please keep quiet. Books get millions of dollars on some games you really think the people in the casinos aren't as greedy as you and me? You really think they can be happy with collecting the pennies they earn on the Juice even though they have way more knowledge then us on which team has a better chance of covering? People that say traps dont exist have no idea how this business works

[YouHave2outs]

Why move lines at all then? Release them and keep them static.

they don't gamble on every game. of course there are certain games where they are happy to take the juice

[illAdelph]

This is one article that I found. Ill keep searching for the other.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/j...us-advantage-/

[theone78]

ok , since you think you know so much . now tell me how they set the lines bigshot ? when there are 98 college basket ball games on a saturday afternoon do you really think they have a few guys sitting in a room makeing halftime lines ? even if there was they wouldnt have enough time to watch all the games and keep track of injuries ? so how od they set 2nd half lines when there are 50 games going ??????? come on mr. know it all what are you gonna say next vegas has a guy watching every game lol

[LeagueCapper]

"That’s the way the line-setters saw it, but not the betting public. By game time, the spread had gone down to 5.5 points. Kornegay dispelled a myth about the goal of line-setters, which we all always have been told is to draw equal money on both teams. By doing so, the house would always profit because for the one placing the wager, winning $100 requires betting $110.
“Our goal is to win more than we lose,” Kornegay said. “That’s what we try to do. It’s rare that you have a game that you have equal action on both sides. Is that what the line’s supposed to do? Yeah. It rarely happens. I would say one out of 10 games we look at and say ‘It doesn’t matter who wins, we’re going to win (because there is roughly equal money on both sides"


1 out of 10 games books look at the game and say they are happy with the juice winnings. 1 out of 10 and you think traps dont exist and books just want the juice

[LeagueCapper]

your retarded, yes vegas has hundreds of linesmakers for every sport this is a multi billion dollar industry. Experts on every team that watch every single game of their team and help set lines. Get out of here know it all

[ToPHeR]

your retarded, yes vegas has hundreds of linesmakers for every sport this is a multi billion dollar industry. Experts on every team that watch every single game of their team and help set lines. Get out of here know it all

/thread

[BernardMadoff]

Don't worry TS you're right, don't listen to conspiracy minded posters who say otherwise, the line IS set in HOPES of theoretically drawing balanced money on both sides, yet its next to impossible to get exactly balanced money on both sides.

[YouHave2outs]

Don't worry TS you're right, don't listen to conspiracy minded posters who say otherwise, the line IS set in HOPES of theoretically drawing balanced money on both sides, yet its next to impossible to get exactly balanced money on both sides.

it is your opinion that bulls -3.5 was set to get equal money on both sides?

[theone78]

so you think there is a guy watching valparaso playing brown to see what to set the line at lol ya ok buddy...

[YouHave2outs]

so you think there is a guy watching valparaso playing brown to see what to set the line at lol ya ok buddy...

do you have any nba picks for tonight?

[BernardMadoff]

it is your opinion that bulls -3.5 was set to get equal money on both sides?

Well for the sake of not calling equal a misnomer, I'll use the term as balanced as possible. Why do you think?

[MoneyOnBball]

so you think there is a guy watching valparaso playing brown to see what to set the line at lol ya ok buddy...

Umm...I don't know if you are serious or what you are trying to say here, but the answer is YES. An emphatic YES too. There are probably MULTIPLE vegas people watching Valpo vs Brown actually.

There are billions of dollars at stake here. Why wouldn't they shelve out some money to hire people for each team, each game, each division, each conference, etc?

[LeagueCapper]

so you think there is a guy watching valparaso playing brown to see what to set the line at lol ya ok buddy...

You can't be serious....

[YouHave2outs]

Well for the sake of not calling equal a misnomer, I'll use the term as balanced as possible. Why do you think?

i think they think it is an accurate line and in fact the line should possibly be even lower. i think they would not have minded if the action was split, but they had to know the public would hammer the bulls. i think they are willing to take this action and take their chances on the knicks. i have absolutely no proof of any of this, just makes sense to me

[MoneyOnBball]

I'm siding with illAdelphia here.

The article was good and i think that stuff really goes on, except its hard to believe that that vegas odds maker guy says they just completely ignore the college rankings made by AP journalists and media members.

So, these media members have absolutely no credibility? But some underground vegas odds makers think they themselves know everything? The vegas odds makers are human too...I don't see what makes them so special in evaluating sports. And if they were that great at evaluating talent, wouldn't they try to be GM's for real teams or something?

[YouHave2outs]

I'm siding with illAdelphia here, except in that article its hard to believe that that guy just completely ignores college rankings by AP journalists and media members. So, these media members have absolutely no credibility? But some underground vegas odds makers think they themselves know everything? The vegas odds makers are human too...I don't see what makes them so special in evaluating sports. And if they were that great at evaluating talent, wouldn't they try to be GM's for real teams or something?

they do ignore the AP rankings. why in God's name would vegas care about the ap vote? they make their own rankings based on what they know. looking at the rankings only affects the public, who obviously have much less knowledge to base their decision on. you see a number next to one team and they are the underdog to an unranked. public eats it up almost every time

like that article said, the only bets they are really trying to split are the sharp ones

[BernardMadoff]

i think they think it is an accurate line and in fact the line should possibly be even lower. i think they would not have minded if the action was split, but they had to know the public would hammer the bulls. i think they are willing to take this action and take their chances on the knicks. i have absolutely no proof of any of this, just makes sense to me

But then they would become just like us, gamblers, which defeats the purpose of bookmaking. Only way that would make sense if they knew what the final score of the game(s) would be.

[YouHave2outs]

But then they would become just like us, gamblers, which defeats the purpose of bookmaking. Only way that would make sense if they knew what the final score of the game(s) would be.

it does not defeat the purpose of bookmaking at all. they have more knowledge than anyone. why would i not take +110 on a coin flip for the rest of my life if i had virtually unlimited money? they're willing to take their edges, just my opinion. you don't realize how greedy these guys are, as well as the fact that article pointed out how hard it is to get even money on both sides. it cited 1/10 games that vegas does not care at all who wins because they will win on the game regardless.

[illAdelph]

i think they think it is an accurate line and in fact the line should possibly be even lower. i think they would not have minded if the action was split, but they had to know the public would hammer the bulls. i think they are willing to take this action and take their chances on the knicks. i have absolutely no proof of any of this, just makes sense to me

More or less, you are correct.

Its a baiting technique. Sometimes the fish will take the bait and swim away happily. But in the long run, more fish than not will get hooked. And die.

[Speedy88]

Lol this post is so far from being correct. I'm not even going to try to argue this with you, there are already plenty of people making my argument.

[PR9]

Books wanting even action is the biggest myth in this industry. They dont care about even action or the measly pennies they earn on the juice. Trust me

and they admit it:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/ncaa-baske...l#post13438059

[jabro21]

interesting to hear different sides of the argument, or different voices.

[BernardMadoff]

it does not defeat the purpose of bookmaking at all. they have more knowledge than anyone. why would i not take +110 on a coin flip for the rest of my life if i had virtually unlimited money? they're willing to take their edges, just my opinion. you don't realize how greedy these guys are, as well as the fact that article pointed out how hard it is to get even money on both sides. it cited 1/10 games that vegas does not care at all who wins because they will win on the game regardless.

That's a matter of semantics, people think equal to mean equal and its a misnomer in this business, if a game has a decent enough handle then equal/balanced to them can be interpreted as being many thousands off of actually being equal to the exact dollar. Again you're assuming they know the results, no game can be sure to be a coin flip before it actually happens.

[YouHave2outs]

That's a matter of semantics, people think equal to mean equal and its a misnomer in this business, if a game has a decent enough handle then equal/balanced to them can be interpreted as being many thousands off of actually being equal to the exact dollar. Again you're assuming they know the results, no game can be said to be a coin flip before it actually happens.

well today at least 60% is on one team in the nba in all 6 games. at least 70% is on a team in 3 or 4. vegas just did not do their job at all today i suppose. you should read the article posted earlier in the thread if you think their goal is to get equal money on both sides.