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  • JAnthony
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-25-13
    • 635

    #876
    Every day I'm overin'

    tA(points)>=102 and oA(points)>=102 and rest>1 and H and -5<=line<=-3 and season=2013
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    • JMon
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-11-09
      • 9800

      #877
      Originally posted by JAnthony
      Every day I'm overin'

      tA(points)>=102 and oA(points)>=102 and rest>1 and H and -5<=line<=-3 and season=2013
      208 >= total >= 201 and tS(ou margin, N=5) >= 30 and 60 >= WP >= 51 and 2009 <= season and site = home

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      • green7
        SBR High Roller
        • 10-21-10
        • 190

        #878
        It will be time to break up the Lakers and the 76ers if they do it again

        HD and total>200 and division!=o:division and rest>0 and o:rest>0 and tA(W)<.4 and month

        SU: 8-37 (-10.20, 17.8%)
        ATS:14-31-0 (-3.83, 31.1%)
        avg line: 6.4
        O/U:20-24-1 (-1.40, 45.5%)
        avg total: 212.3
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        • Wojo
          SBR MVP
          • 03-19-10
          • 1764

          #879
          Originally posted by green7
          HD and total>200 and division!=o:division and rest>0 and o:rest>0 and tA(W)<.4 and month

          SU: 8-37 (-10.20, 17.8%)
          ATS:14-31-0 (-3.83, 31.1%)
          Nice trend, Green! Good job, thanks!
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          • FortySix
            SBR High Roller
            • 02-18-14
            • 134

            #880
            Oh no, what do we do.. JMon and JAnthony are "clashing today" with the over/under in Mavs game... Not sure which way to go!! LOL
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            • JMon
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 12-11-09
              • 9800

              #881
              Originally posted by FortySix
              Oh no, what do we do.. JMon and JAnthony are "clashing today" with the over/under in Mavs game... Not sure which way to go!! LOL
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              • Mako-SBR
                SBR Sharp
                • 10-15-13
                • 492

                #882
                Originally posted by JMon
                208 >= total >= 201 and tS(ou margin, N=5) >= 30 and 60 >= WP >= 51 and 2009 <= season and site = home

                Like that one...scenario is so strong that it actually had a game got to OT a while back and it still won on the under...
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                • FortySix
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 02-18-14
                  • 134

                  #883
                  Ok cool so does that mean JAnthony is going to follow Jmon's trend? I like the under as well considering the games between these 2 teams are generally not high scoring.
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                  • figue
                    SBR MVP
                    • 07-23-10
                    • 2524

                    #884
                    Originally posted by JAnthony
                    Every day I'm overin'

                    tA(points)>=102 and oA(points)>=102 and rest>1 and H and -5<=line<=-3 and season=2013
                    i bet this because i saw it first
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                    • JAnthony
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 11-25-13
                      • 635

                      #885
                      That over was too obvious even without any trends.

                      But, JMon, love the situation you posted, will definitely save it.
                      Last edited by JAnthony; 04-01-14, 10:25 PM.
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                      • figue
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-23-10
                        • 2524

                        #886
                        A and P:ats margin <=-10 and P:season=season and P:H and season > 2012

                        tomorrow buks,warriors.
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                        • figue
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-23-10
                          • 2524

                          #887
                          Originally posted by green7
                          HD and total>200 and division!=o:division and rest>0 and o:rest>0 and tA(W)<.4 and month

                          SU: 8-37 (-10.20, 17.8%)
                          ATS:14-31-0 (-3.83, 31.1%)
                          avg line: 6.4
                          O/U:20-24-1 (-1.40, 45.5%)
                          avg total: 212.3
                          tomorrow bobcats.
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                          • green7
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 10-21-10
                            • 190

                            #888
                            teams in this situation are 9-0 straight up as a dog

                            p:HFW and AD and division=o:division and rest=0 and o:rest>0 and month=4 and line<5


                            I am typing this with my fingers and toes crossed.....hope I don't put the hex on it.
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                            • green7
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 10-21-10
                              • 190

                              #889
                              Adding to Figue's query

                              Stole this off of Figue and added to it, expect that he won't mind.

                              A and P:ats margin <=-10 and P:season=season and P:H and season > 2012 and line>9
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                              • green7
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 10-21-10
                                • 190

                                #890
                                Figue's query

                                If we go back through the history of the database (back to 1995) and add "total>190 and division!=o:division and line>9 and rest" to Figue's query..........

                                it looks like the amount of rest makes a difference, as teams off no rest (Golden State) are 32-42 in this scenario, and teams off one day's rest (the stinking Bucks) are 45-31. Do we pick our poison or not?

                                I will say that the Heat have looked pretty bored throughout the season and as a side note, their median point difference at the half is being up 3 points where their median line has been -9 for the game.
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                                • green7
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 10-21-10
                                  • 190

                                  #891
                                  So, if the Miami line is -17 and the half time line is -9,....Miami has been ahead by greater than 9 points 6 times (one time they were up exactly by 9,) and up by less than 9 in twenty six other games at the half.
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                                  • JR007
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-21-10
                                    • 5279

                                    #892
                                    question ??? how does sdql work for the playoffs ??? is there a breakdown for that, within the database ??? thanks
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                                    • green7
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 10-21-10
                                      • 190

                                      #893
                                      to do queries for the regular season playoffs=0

                                      for play-offs playoffs=1
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                                      • green7
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 10-21-10
                                        • 190

                                        #894
                                        <form action="http://killersports.com/nba.py/query" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"><input type="text" name="sdql" id="sdql" size="120" value="AD and P:ats margin <= -10 and P:season = season and P:H and month = 4 and line >= 9 and division != o:division and total > 190 and rest"> <input type="submit" name="submit" size="60" value="S D Q L !"></form>AD and P:ats margin <= -10 and P:season = season and P:H and month = 4 and line >= 9 and division != o:division and total > 190 and ...
                                        1 0-1-0 (-17.00, 0.0%) 14.0 1-0-0 (1.00, 100.0%) 204.0 0-1 (-31.00, 0.0%) rest = 3
                                        5 3-2-0 (-4.40, 60.0%) 10.4 3-2-0 (-3.70, 60.0%) 198.5 1-4 (-14.80, 20.0%) rest = 2
                                        21 11-9-1 (-0.67, 55.0%) 12.6 8-12-1 (-3.24, 40.0%) 201.4 0-21 (-13.24, 0.0%) rest = 1
                                        18 5-12-1 (-3.08, 29.4%) 12.1 11-7-0 (2.25, 61.1%) 200.1 1-17 (-15.17, 5.6%) rest = 0

                                        I got totally different answers to Figue's query with modifications today.....if we go to April games only in this scenario teams with no rest going back through the total history of the database, teams with no rest (Warriors) are 5-12 and teams with one days rest are 11-9 (Bucks). Overall teams are 2-42 straight up in this query.

                                        Obviously the overnight line of Milwaukee was way off (the killersports guesstimate was 17 and it actually is 13) and I'll know better in the future to use that. For me, did I really want to go against San Antonio in the first place?
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                                        • nash13
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-21-14
                                          • 1122

                                          #895
                                          I tried to give the trends categories based on: Volume of plays, Overall Proft, ROI and Last 3 Years PErformance. Based on that I rated each category from 1 to 3 Points. And after that I calculated an Inex Score for the Total Rating of a Trend. Based on that I have

                                          1 Star Rating Trends:
                                          9 in MLB
                                          14 in NBA
                                          2 in NCAAF
                                          3 in NHL
                                          1 in NFL

                                          2 Star Trends: stronger performance
                                          8 in MLB
                                          22 in NBA
                                          8 in NHL
                                          1 in NCAAF
                                          3 in NFL

                                          and 3 Star Trends:
                                          15 in MLB
                                          8 in NBA
                                          1 in NCAAF
                                          5 in NCAAB
                                          6 in NHL

                                          I will list the 3 Star trends I value the most and will look for your opinion. These are not all mine. Some are from here, others are from the google group. And others are from different sources. If anyone is not ok with that, I will delete them.

                                          MLB 3 Star Trends:

                                          p:SIP > 8 and rest <= 0
                                          Sum(( line + 0 < 0 and o: points < points ) * 100 or ( 0 < 0 + line and points < o: points ) * ( -100 ) or ( runs is not None ) * ( line + 0 )@team and season and line < -105)[team and season -1 and line < -105] > 1200 and site = away and line >= -130
                                          temperature < 67 and site == home and line > -105 and line < 180
                                          S(points > o: points@team and season,N=15) >= 12 and WP >= 62
                                          p:WOW and o:WP < 50 and WP > 50
                                          D and p: D and p:W and p:runs <= 3 and P:LOB <= 13
                                          p:margin = 1 and pp:margin = 1 and F
                                          A and conference = AL and STDSERA < 3.5 and oA(SSO@o:starter and season) >= 5 and season >= 2009
                                          DIV and D and p:W and 40 < o:WP < 50
                                          tp:runs <= 2 and op:runs <= 2 and conference = AL
                                          month = 4 and D and 2 < pp:SHRA + p:SHRA < 5 and pp:BPRA + p:BPRA < 6 and rest < 2 and -5 < streak < 6 and -9 < site streak < 8 and 40 < WP < 61
                                          STR and o:STR and s:margin = -1 and s:streak = 2 and s:biggest lead < 3 and s:errors < 2 and -9 < p:M8 < 3 and p:M8 != -2 and -4 < p:M1 < 3
                                          month = 4 and D and -6 < p:margin < 3 and 4 < p:SO < 8 and 4 < p:SIP < 8 and p:SHRA < 3 and p:HR < 3 and WP < 75 and -7 < streak < 4 and p:PU < 7 and 8 < p:LOB < 17 and o:STR and rest < 2 and p:errors < 3 and 1 < p:fly balls < 14 and -5 < o:streak and p:runs != 6 and p:runs != 5
                                          tp:runs<=2 and op:runs<=2 and conference=AL and A
                                          WP > 50 and H and 165 > line >= 100 and o:WP > 50 and SG < 4 and (month = 4 or month = 5 or month = 9 or month = 10)
                                          If anyone is not ok with this please let me know, and i will delete anything.
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                                          • nash13
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-21-14
                                            • 1122

                                            #896
                                            NBA 3 Star Trends

                                            AF and -3 <= ats streak <= -1 and 1 <= o:ats streak <= 2 and 1 <= rest <= 2 and 32 < WP < 78 and playoffs = 0 and season >= 2002
                                            A and p:AFL and 1 <= rest <= 2 and season >= 2005
                                            A and p:AFL and rest in [1 , 2 , 3] and 67 >= game number >= 21 and 48 <= WP <= 80 and P:ats margin < 0 and season >= 2000
                                            A and F and p:A and p:L and total >= 198
                                            p:dps > 13 and op:dpa > 13 and rest <= 1 and o:rest <= 1
                                            p:margin < -15 and AF and season > 2005
                                            A and rest <= 2 and line < 0 and p: points + p:line < po: points and opo: points < op: points + op:line and WP > 32 and WP < 78
                                            H and p:AW and pp:AW and season > 2008
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                                            • nash13
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-21-14
                                              • 1122

                                              #897
                                              NCAAB 3 Star Trends

                                              A and P:L and Po: points > 74 and WP >= 40 and WP <= 49 and o:WP > 29 and o:WP < 54 and rest > 0
                                              H and total <= 116.5
                                              166.5 >= total >= 156 and H
                                              Average(points@team and season)<=64 and po: points<=60 and ppo: points<=60 and AD and line>5
                                              p:AL and pp:AL and p:margin <= -8 and pp:margin <= -11 and WP <= 50 and rest <= 5 and not C and po: points >= 82
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                                              • nash13
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-21-14
                                                • 1122

                                                #898
                                                NCAAF 3 Star Trend

                                                p: points > 49 and site == home and po: points < p: points and line > -32.5 and p:line < 0 and site == home and line < 0

                                                NHL 3 Star Trends
                                                H and F and p:A and p:F and p:W and date>=20111022
                                                p:shots on goal >= 35 and op:goals = 3 and playoffs = 0 and (site = away or (site = home and p:site = away)) and 0 >= rest - o:rest >= -2 and F
                                                D and streak > 3
                                                Average(goals@team and season, N=6) < 3 and Average(shots on goal@team and season, N=3) >= 35 and D and -2 <= rest - o:rest <= 1 and rest > 0 and P:H
                                                rest = o:rest and AD and rest = 1 and (P:AD or P:HF) and WP <= 60 and (130 >= line > 115 or line > 150) and P:rest - oP:rest <= 1
                                                season >= 2011 and HF and p:A and p:W and p:line <= -115
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                                                • green7
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 10-21-10
                                                  • 190

                                                  #899
                                                  season=2013 and team and date>20140101

                                                  The above query shows us how teams have done SU and ATS since the beginning of the year. It's interesting to note that the Clippers have a point differential of +8.56 and the Suns are +2.45. Adding 3 points for the home team and the line based on performance is Suns +3.11. The actual line is the Suns -3, obviously the linesmaker is trying to attract money on the Clippers because of the Griffith and Crawford injuries. It's been my experience that when a line is skewed like that, that the team who Vegas is trying to attract money to (in this case, the Clippers) loses about 55-57% of the time....in other words in a significant percentage of time when the statistical determining of a line is off, the winner is often the line disadvantaged team. In my personal experience for the NBA that is >=2.5 differential between what the line should/could be and the actual line that is significant. To sum it up, I think line value is a bunch of garbage and if one can think of what Vegas wants us to do and to the opposite we will be successful more often than not.

                                                  In this case, I am not playing the Suns, as I think Griffith is one of the top 2 or 3 over-rated players in the game (can't shoot, can't shoot free throws, etc). Point guards and head coaches are the most important pieces for success in the NBA and the Clippers have top 5 guys at both positions. Obviously, this year the Suns have two very capable people at the same positions and that is why they have made the improvement they have over last year.
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                                                  • Mako-SBR
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 10-15-13
                                                    • 492

                                                    #900
                                                    Nice work nash.

                                                    Those of us who apply ranking criteria and grade filters to determine whether a random query or scenario we've stumbled upon is worth adding to our collection or not need to talk more about how we determine what goes into those evaluations. I did that briefly at the start of the thread but my own evaluation process has changed a bit since then and I'm going to revisit it soon.

                                                    Good job.
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                                                    • nash13
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-21-14
                                                      • 1122

                                                      #901
                                                      The main goal is to beat the law of averrages. I am aware the no trend is 100% valid to go on like this forever. So I will revisit the ranking at the end of each season. Esp the effect of rule changes NBA, NFL should not be undervalued. Pace of the game has changed a lot in basketball. So it is essentially to keep this updated. If you don't mind, let us know about your criteria when it is all said and done. Good work everyone.
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                                                      • Wojo
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-19-10
                                                        • 1764

                                                        #902
                                                        Great work, Nash! If you can find the time, would you mind posting your lower rated NBA and MLB trends since those seasons are going on now?

                                                        Later, I'll post the criteria I like to look at. TIA!
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                                                        • JAnthony
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 11-25-13
                                                          • 635

                                                          #903
                                                          So we play Raps today?

                                                          WP>=65 and rest=0 and 50<=o:WP<=60 and AD and line<=4 and game number>=62
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                                                          • figue
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 07-23-10
                                                            • 2524

                                                            #904
                                                            Look like easy line for Houston, lets play Raptors!!
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                                                            • JAnthony
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 11-25-13
                                                              • 635

                                                              #905
                                                              Or maybe some Knicks?

                                                              p:WHF and po:WP>=65 and rest=0 and AD and season>=2007
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                                                              • JAnthony
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 11-25-13
                                                                • 635

                                                                #906
                                                                P:season=season and P:F and P:ats margin<=-10 and H and -10<=line<=-7 and rest>0 and season>=2007 and game number>=50

                                                                tS(ats margin, N=5)>=35 and A and -4<=line<=0 and rest>1 and o:rest>1 and season>=2000
                                                                Last edited by JAnthony; 04-02-14, 04:04 PM.
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                                                                • Enjoi
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 02-12-13
                                                                  • 328

                                                                  #907
                                                                  Hey anthony I am on my phone so it is hard to check sdql but can u give me a quick run down of the parimeters for the knicks today? Appreciate it mate
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                                                                  • JAnthony
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 11-25-13
                                                                    • 635

                                                                    #908
                                                                    Originally posted by Enjoi
                                                                    Hey anthony I am on my phone so it is hard to check sdql but can u give me a quick run down of the parimeters for the knicks today? Appreciate it mate
                                                                    Team (in this case Brooklyn) won its previous game as home favourite against the opponent with the win percentage of 65% or higher and will be playing as an away dog with no rest.

                                                                    And we fade Brooklyn at this spot:

                                                                    7-23 (-7.13, 23.3%)
                                                                    9-21-0 (-2.65, 30.0%) avg line: 4.5
                                                                    16-14-0 (1.07, 53.3%) avg total: 200.7
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                                                                    • nash13
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-21-14
                                                                      • 1122

                                                                      #909
                                                                      I will post the lower rated plays later. The are really not that reliable, but maybe some of you guys can work things out.
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                                                                      • JAnthony
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 11-25-13
                                                                        • 635

                                                                        #910
                                                                        tA(o: points, N=10)>=110 and 93<=oA(points)<=96 and total<=200
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