The JM "Chase system" $1000 bank roll

[cartytay]

Brooks.

I have 2 plays tomorrow. Charlotte and Detroit. I won with ATL vs. Sac on feb. 18th

[texhooper]

Tex.

the Det. and Atlanta bets are part of the way I bet. Nothing to do with the morrison system at all. Like I said I bet all 3 game road trips regardless of conference and i have emailed the plays to several people on this forum

i gotcha. that makes sense.

sorry brooks, if i offended you with the detroit thing.

if you guys want to chase on road trips, have at it. i just don't like that people get screwed from this cocksucker who sells this shit, especially when i was thinking i might want to pay this guy some respect and buy his system for myself. because i've read elsewhere on this forum that it's the american way, that if this guy's selling it, one shouldn't pass it on or benefit from it free of charge. but this kinda garbage ain't the american way as far as i can tell. i'll make up my b bet tomorrow either on a game i've capped on my own or if i decide to actually go through with the charlotte c bet. it ain't going to be a big deal.

i wish all of you the best of luck. sorry to get fiery.

[cartytay]

this isn't about my bankroll, this is about the system. i can handle the loss, i'm just a little too into justice i guess. for this guy to turn his back on people that paid money for his horseshit little east/west system and say "sorry, but that's all i got...if you got a push you lose, and if you got a loss, well, **** you even more"...i ain't ok with that.

i didn't buy it, though, as i was testing it out to see if it would be worth it. but now i know it isn't. not even by a longshot, and i'm glad as hell i didn't buy it.

and don't give me this "don't jump on it halfway though the season" horseshit...all you guys do is gloat about how incredible the record is. why in the name of GOD should it matter when someone decides to try it out?

Tex,
you are right man it is BS what he is doing in regards to pushes, But do not doubt that it works because it does. and you are right it should not matter when you start the sytem.

[texhooper]

i also want to add that i really, really, really wish you guys well on detroit. they are horrible beyond horrible, but i'm sure you guys already know that as you've been betting on them. for real, good luck. hopefully they're hungry for something tomorrow.

[brooks85]

cartytay you said you played any 3 game series including 6 game series in which you would place bets on the individual 3 game sets. Correct? So,
2/11 @ Pistons
2/17 @ Lakers
2/18 @ Kings this right here is the first 3 game set. @ Detorit was the A bet and they won it.

2/20 @ blazers - lost
2/23 @ Jazz - lost
2/25 @ Denver this is the Second 3 game set. So, Atl would be a C bet for you correct?

[Skanless1]

Brooks.

I have 2 plays tomorrow. Charlotte and Detroit. I won with ATL vs. Sac on feb. 18th

now granted, i really do not understand this confusing a** system AT ALL, but haven't Charl and Detroit been "the play" (i've seen a number of people touting them) for a couple of days in a row now? (and keep losing?).

[cartytay]

Tex,

its all good man. the point of all of this is too beat the damn bookies and if there is a way to get an edge i like sharing that or other peoples opinions. and to morrisons credit he created something really good here, there are just a few grey areas wih his method that most people can never seem to agree on

[crisp]

You didn't accept. If you want to wager, define the wager so that anyone can decide who won.

Specifically, describe your system for what you are playing. Define the books that are market. I'll accept BetJamaica as a "market priced book".

I offered 100k. I think you're full of shit - you don't have that balance there, or in all sportsbooks combined.. If you want to play with the big boys when you're betting the wrong side, you need to convince me that you're serious. Have Matchbook verify that you even have 100k to lose. If they do that, I'll do the same for you.

i think you're full of shit too.

[cartytay]

cartytay you said you played any 3 game series including 6 game series in which you would place bets on the individual 3 game sets. Correct? So,
2/11 @ Pistons
2/17 @ Lakers
2/18 @ Kings this right here is the first 3 game set. @ Detorit was the A bet and they won it.

2/20 @ blazers - lost
2/23 @ Jazz - lost
2/25 @ Denver this is the Second 3 game set. So, Atl would be a C bet for you correct?

yes you are correct, but b/c of the allstar break i did not start the "A" bet on the pistons i started with the lakers. and I know that seems like BS because everyone alwyas tries to make excuses for this system with losses but there are several people here who can verify that. and I can email you my spreadsheet as well if you would like. so I had this as a 5 game trip and only bet it the 1 time

[texhooper]

i haven't been a member here long, but justin7 ain't full of shit. nowhere in a horseshit system thread should he be called full of shit.

i'll leave now.

[brooks85]

o ok that make sense. I wish i would have thought of that.

[cartytay]

i think you're full of shit too.

crisp
you are more than welcome to join the wager. like I said I do not have any $ with matchbook. but I will wire up to 250K to any escrow you like. Justin seems to want to take a 100k so that leaves 150k for you. whenever you are ready pal please pm me

[cnleaf]

cha loss for me

[texhooper]

cartytay, you have a lot of class. where is it that you're posting?

[cartytay]

cartytay, you have a lot of class. where is it that you're posting?

thanks man, i try to be straight with everyone and i havent posted my plays in my own thread per sey i just emailed my spreadsheet to anyone who has requested it

[markgencorelli]

I lost this Charlotte "B Bet" game tonight and this was his email to his "subscribers":

Tonight was a display of reason why buying the 3 points is
important for the system.

The spread for the game changed rapidly throughout the day.
Charlotte had a spread of anywhere between the 6's up to +7.5
depending on the time when you made your wager. After the 3 point
buy, you could have resulted in a spread of +10.5, +10, or even
below +10 if you had made your wager at a bad time.

The game ended with Charlotte losing by exactly 10 points. As a
result, there are a few scenarios that you might have found
yourself in tonight, so let me go through them all.

Many of us won the [B] bet with Charlotte tonight after the 3-point
buy (+10.5 spread)

For those of us who had a +10 spread after the 3-point buy, the
result of the bet was a push (tie)

You wouldn't have covered if your made your wager at a time when
the spread was less than 7.

To sum it up...Many of us have enjoyed a nice win tonight, some
have pushed out on the bet, while others weren't able to.


Charlotte has a game tomorrow against Sacramento, and this bet is
optional for all of us. It's still a very good bet to make, though
keep in mind that the official series wouldn't continue on after a
result of either a win or a push.

Other than that, our next bet to make under the system won't be
until Feb. 27th.

Talk to you then!
-John Morrison

Who had this game at +10.5 even after buying the 3 points?? And I'm pretty sure BetUS did not have that line available considering they know all about Morrison's System and adjust accordingly to his "subscribers".

[texhooper]

gotcha. you're a good guy, even though i'm sure you have an evil darkside.

i'll stop posting here as i'm sure my feelings have been made clear on this system. i think it's great, but i don't agree with the way it's practiced by the proprietor. if i've cluttered up the thread, i'm sorry, skip the page.

best of luck.

[texhooper]

Charlotte has a game tomorrow against Sacramento, and this bet is
optional for all of us. It's still a very good bet to make, though
keep in mind that the official series wouldn't continue on after a
result of either a win or a push.

man, i thought i was through being mad...if anyone wants a translation, i basically said it in an earlier post. only i will add--"but if you lose your optional bet on charlotte tomorrow, well, **** you three times then. i went to outback on you, so what the **** do i care?"

[markgencorelli]

man, i thought i was through being mad...if anyone wants a translation, i basically said it in an earlier post. only i will add--"but if you lose your optional bet on charlotte tomorrow, well, **** you three times then. i went to outback on you, so what the **** do i care?"

A little misleading IMO by also the fact he says "many of us" got this [B] bet win with the mythical 10.5 line.

[cartytay]

Ya I just got that email as well. JM if full of shit on this series. Nobody on this planet got that line at +7.5 so nobody won tonight. as far as tomorrow I got charlotte -3 and bought it down 2.5 points to -.5

[jj28]

I lost this Charlotte "B Bet" game tonight and this was his email to his "subscribers":

Tonight was a display of reason why buying the 3 points is
important for the system.

The spread for the game changed rapidly throughout the day.
Charlotte had a spread of anywhere between the 6's up to +7.5
depending on the time when you made your wager. After the 3 point
buy, you could have resulted in a spread of +10.5, +10, or even
below +10 if you had made your wager at a bad time.

The game ended with Charlotte losing by exactly 10 points. As a
result, there are a few scenarios that you might have found
yourself in tonight, so let me go through them all.

Many of us won the [b] bet with Charlotte tonight after the 3-point
buy (+10.5 spread)

For those of us who had a +10 spread after the 3-point buy, the
result of the bet was a push (tie)

You wouldn't have covered if your made your wager at a time when
the spread was less than 7.

To sum it up...Many of us have enjoyed a nice win tonight, some
have pushed out on the bet, while others weren't able to.


Charlotte has a game tomorrow against Sacramento, and this bet is
optional for all of us. It's still a very good bet to make, though
keep in mind that the official series wouldn't continue on after a
result of either a win or a push.

Other than that, our next bet to make under the system won't be
until Feb. 27th.

Talk to you then!
-John Morrison

Who had this game at +10.5 even after buying the 3 points?? And I'm pretty sure BetUS did not have that line available considering they know all about Morrison's System and adjust accordingly to his "subscribers".

LMAO. He said MANY of us got it at 10.5 so there was many winners. Not once did i see the line at 7.5. It started at 7, dropped to 6.5, and went back up to 7. F that. Covering his arse right now.

[Vincepcion]

Ya I just got that email as well. JM if full of shit on this series. Nobody on this planet got that line at +7.5 so nobody won tonight. as far as tomorrow I got charlotte -3 and bought it down 2.5 points to -.5

I agree with you but FWIW it was around +8 at tipoff

[saro7]

I got the line at +7.5, but unfortunately I didn't listen to the system and only bought 2 points so I didn't win anyway. But if I bought 3 points as he had suggested I would've won.

[cartytay]

Saro,

where do you bet at

[texhooper]

LMAO. He said MANY of us got it at 10.5 so there was many winners. Not once did i see the line at 7.5. It started at 7, dropped to 6.5, and went back up to 7. F that. Covering his arse right now.

ditto brother. what a schmuck.

[BouncedCheck]

I have a money management question about this system, sorry if it's already been covered. I read the first two pages of the thread and then skipped to page 13.

Since you're betting at -170 most games, does that mean you have to factor in the 70 cents for B and C games at an exponential rate? In other words, say my "unit" is $100. Game A, I bet $170 to win $100 and game A loses. For game B, do I bet $459 to win back the $170 I lost plus an extra $100? And then if the B game loses, that would mean I'd have to bet $1239.30 to win $629+$100? So a series loss would mean a net loss of $170+$459+$1239.30 = negative $1868.30.

And therefore, in order to break even, every series loss has to be countered by 19 wins. So 19-1 is really breaking even. Projected out, 76-4 would be breaking even as well.

So if the system goes 80-3 over the entire season, I'd end up with a net win of about $2300, but 80-5 and I'd be down over $1K.

Did I miss anything?

I wish everyone using this system well, but those percentages aren't really worthwhile. There will be a year or two, maybe even consecutive years, in which the system loses a total of 5 series. The risk simply isn't worth it when considering how much total action is required to win a few thousand bucks. Sure, there will be seasons when the system goes 70-0 or 75-1 or whatever, but that's not going to happen every year. I might consider only playing B and C games if the A game loses, so then I'd only have to double up one time, and if the C game loses, I write it off and move on. But over the course of many seasons, it doesn't seem like wagering so much total money on the C games will pay off in the long run.

[BigBrownman]

I have a money management question about this system, sorry if it's already been covered. I read the first two pages of the thread and then skipped to page 13.

Since you're betting at -170 most games, does that mean you have to factor in the 70 cents for B and C games at an exponential rate? In other words, say my "unit" is $100. Game A, I bet $170 to win $100 and game A loses. For game B, do I bet $459 to win back the $170 I lost plus an extra $100? And then if the B game loses, that would mean I'd have to bet $1239.30 to win $629+$100? So a series loss would mean a net loss of $170+$459+$1239.30 = negative $1868.30.

Did I miss anything?

yep thats what happens, the system is pretty good, but as you can see a couple series losses wipes out a shit load of ya bankroll!

be carefull is you play, mlb last season had 3-4 losses, add that up.
baskets is better than mlb tho

[cartytay]

Bounced check

you are 100% correct. that is why money management is the most important part of betting series this way.

[netinfo]

It would be nice if JM would give us the spread line he's using along with the picks, so that those who come in late would adjust their wager by purchasing an extra point or two.

Like in this example, had I known that the best line was at +10.5, I would have made sure to get in at that line.

netinfo

[cartytay]

OK guys March's schedule is done for all 3 game road trips. just PM if you would like the rest of the season. YTD 114-0 with 2 "C" bets tomorrow with Charlotte and Pistons.

[BouncedCheck]

I just realized, only people who are greedy and/or stupid bet on the A game. So you say the A game is critical because more A games are won than B games. Ok, let's examine it more closely. I don't know what the exact numbers are for this season, but let's say the system goes 80-4 in any given year. Of those 80 wins, 44 are on the A game, 30 are on the B game, and 6 are on the C game.

If you bet all 3 games every series, you'd just about break even after going 76-4 on the first 80 series and then win 4 units on the last 4 series. Your net win for the year would be around 4-6 units, factoring in the approximations of your losses.

If you don't bet the A game, and only bet the B game when the A game loses, you'd be 36-4, but in the 4 losses, you wouildn't lose 19 units on each loss, you'd only lose about 6.5 units. Your net loss for the year would be a little under 26 units, and your wins would total exactly 36 units. So your net win for the year would be around 10-11 units. And you'd be risking much less overall because you'd never have to face the possibility of blowing 19 units on a single event.

To summarize, if you only start betting after the A game has lost, you will come out way ahead in the end, plus only lose a net of 1-3 units if there are SIX series losses throughout the year. And if there's less of a discrepancy between A and B wins (say, 40-35 instead of 44-30) then you win even more!

Doesn't anybody study in math class anymore? Sorry to be condescending, but this isn't calculus we're dealing with.

Or, to attack the problem from a different angle, by not playing the A games, you'd be costing yourself 40-50 units a year. But you'd also be saving nearly 13 units on every loss. Much less risk, similar reward.

Moral of the story: don't play the A game, and if it wins, don't play the B or C games either. The only way this costs you money is if the system only suffers 2 or fewer losses for the entire season. Then you'd be better off playing the A games, if your heart doesn't give out from the stress of having 19 units riding on every C game. And even if the system has a great record like 79-2 for the season, it's not like you're going to end up in the red for the year just because you didn't play the A games. All it means is that you won't win quite as many units over the course of the year because you didn't bet on as many series. You'll still come out way ahead without nearly as much risk.

I think this could be a great system for people who only play the B and C games. I think anyone who plays the A games are crazy, but to each his own. Good luck, and play at your own peril.

[Justin7]

I got the line at +7.5, but unfortunately I didn't listen to the system and only bought 2 points so I didn't win anyway. But if I bought 3 points as he had suggested I would've won.

There wasn't a single book that had it at +8 on game day... and all the big boys (Pinny, Greek and BM) peaked at +7.

Cartay,

When do you bet your games? For our wagering purposes, do you want to use BetJamaica's opener, closer, or something else that is determinable?

[Justin7]

Btw, I apologize for what I said earlier, Cartytay. There are a ton of shills promoting this JM system, and I suspected you were one of them. That doesn't appear to be the case.

[Coza]

Omg i bet +9.5 and lose. What now, bet on Cha v Sac or??

[ICEMAN888]

Can the Bobcats lose 3 in a row on the road? Hell yeah they can. I am staying away from this C Bet.