NASCAR Punters Club 2011

[Optional]

Up to 6 players put in 475 points each to purchase $250 sportsbook cash at 5 Dimes. (or 570 points each if there is only 5 of us, or 712 each for 4)

If one of the regulars from our pool last year wants to offer to manage the betting each week, that would be good. Otherwise I will do it.

We can iron out any details once we know who our 6 members are, but for now the basic system will be;

Create 2 lists with our members

Mem1 Mem6
Mem2 Mem5
Mem3 Mem4
Mem4 Mem3
Mem5 Mem2
Mem6 Mem1

The member on top of each list punts for the club that week.

Stakes are 10% of the bankroll each. So $25 each for Daytona.

If the punter returns a net profit of more than double their stake amount ($50 for Daytona) then they stay on top of that list and pick again next race. Otherwise they drop to the bottom.

The same punter cannot pick for both lists at the same race. 2nd on the 2nd list jumps ahead if that happens.

We will vote on a ceiling amount for our bankroll, at which time half the funds are withdrawn and distributed.

Punters can bet on any line 5 Dimes offers, and will need to email them to me. I'll post a screenshot of the bet slips.

Expect me to miss getting a bet on here or there during the year! (so no grumbling about it when it happens)


The first 5 people to post they definitely want in have the spots.


You will need to be ready to transfer your points in 1 week, by 10th February. (don't do it yet)

[Jay Price]

I'm in

[avssakic]

shit, I want to help out and be in but the whole SBR Pro thing and not enough points might get in the way. i'm working on the sbr pro and should be by tona. just gotta get me some pointsss

[CarolinaDaze]

Im in definitly. And guys don't worry bout me being the weakest link just because i finished last in our contest last season. There was at leaste 2 weeks that i didn't even make picks and multiple weeks where i just made picks without any research at the last minute. I plan on redeeming myself this time around.

[hawk 5]

count me and avssakic in. Me and him will work it out on the points.

[Optional]

That only leaves 1 spot. And I already know of 2 others that I think want to join.

I don't want to exclude anyone who played in the pool last year if they want in, but thought 6 people would be the best size as it means we each get a chance to pick about monthly. Might have to take 1 or 2 extra though the way it's looking, if that doesn't bother anyone already in. (PM me if it does)

[rickie65]

I'm in for spot #6! I am ready to trade my points for big $$.

do we all need to have 5dimes accounts to do this?

[Optional]

Yeah I guess so. But only so you can see what bets/odds are on offer when it's your turn to pick. No need to fund it or anything.

[soxwin1917]

I'm in for sure.

[hawk 5]

Yeah I guess so. But only so you can see what bets/odds are on offer when it's your turn to pick. No need to fund it or anything.

I'm thinking only one person can have the password.

[Optional]

Yeah agree, I just meant Rickie might want to register at 5D so he can see their lines when it's his turn to pick.


Mr Nuts has declined, so just waiting to hear either way from our regular straggler Onlooker and we will be good to go with either 7 or 8 members.

This is going to be fun I reckon.

[Optional]

A couple of things we need to quickly vote on.

1) Any nominations for someone other then me to handle the betting? I'm easy about doing it, and know I can trust myself not to gamble with club funds, but am happy to avoid the work if someone else wants to step up.

2) Do we set a ceiling amount on how big we let the bankroll become? And if so how big and how much of it do we distribute at that time? Or do you just want to vote on it at the time if it even becomes an issue?




Cost will be 357 points each with Onlooker, or 407 each without him. I'll get everyone to start sending their points as soon as we know, as I notice they have added a new category to the SBR store, "Sportsbook Cash for New Accounts". Right now the price is the same for new and existing but that new category suggests it won't be staying that way for long. So we best get moving.

Any other questions or suggestions?



Stop reading here if you don't care about the details.
*** Details ***

I'll pull our names out of a hat to decide the initial list order. For the first 8 races the order will be;

Mem1 Mem8
Mem2 Mem7
Mem3 Mem6
Mem4 Mem5
Mem5 Mem4
Mem6 Mem3
Mem7 Mem2
Mem8 Mem1

For the first 8 races, it doesn't matter how much a punter wins, he will drop to the bottom of the list after picking for 1 race. (giving everyone 2 turns as a punter over that time)

During those 8 races punters will be awarded 1 point for breaking even, 2 points for winning at least the stake amount in profit, and 3 points if they can double it or better.

From race 9 the lists will reset based on points earned during the first 8 races, and this ordering sequence will be used; (total $ profit/loss will be the tie breaker when setting the order)

Mem 1 Mem 2
Mem 3 Mem 4
Mem 5 Mem 6
Mem 7 Mem 8
Mem 2 Mem 1
Mem 4 Mem 3
Mem 6 Mem 5
Mem 8 Mem 7

From that time on a punter who wins at least double their stake amount in profit will remain on top of the list to punt again at the next race.

Worst case scenario, if everyone loses everything every week for the first 8 races, using a 10% stake per punter, we will each get to make between $23 and $30 worth of bets for the club... with a $40 bankroll remaining. If we are slightly less useless than that, we should get through the season without going broke at the very least I think.

Best case scenario, if we average a 10% profit per race for our 20% risk, we could theoretically get it up to around 1k each for xmas. (or hit $1500 to make a withdrawal of $100 each by about race 19) Maybe $2600 would be a good bankroll size limit actually. Meaning we could take $200 each and leave $1000 to keep punting with.

We can post our picks and discuss them in here, but I'll get people to email their bets to make them official, so I have a record of them, and when I place them I'll post a screenshot of them in here like this;



Sometimes I'm going to miss a bet or the best price so maybe we should set a specific time for bets to be in by? Maybe one of you guys like Hawk or Onlooker or Dew who have used 5D for years might want to suggest the best times we should be looking to bet there? Dew told me once about better opportunities with openers I think?

I'll probably distribute any profit with the pal system, but we will just have to see what the best option available at the time is.

Can't think of anything else but speak up if you can.

[rickie65]

Yeah agree, I just meant Rickie might want to register at 5D so he can see their lines when it's his turn to pick.

I checked out 5d and I can see the live lines (although I don't see any Nascar lines yet) so I don't think I need to register. I wasn't sure if we all needed to log in to make our bets or if just 1 punter would enter them all.

what's the plan on how our winnings will get distributed? After all, with this panel of Nascar experts I do expect a few $$ to come our way

[Optional]

I'll enter them all.

"I'll probably distribute any profit with the pal system, but we will just have to see what the best option available at the time is." (that's short for P@yP@l) or I can wire/post it or whatever is needed at time.

[rickie65]

sounds good!

btw Opti, I do appreciate the time and effort you put in to running the weekly head to head and all else you do here on the forum. Most of last Nascar season I was unemployed and had more time and would have been happy to run this but around when the chase started I went back to working a lot of hours and really don't want the time and responsibility of handling the "club" funds. But I am more than willing to post up an extra portion of points to you or whoever decides to take control of this thing.

[Optional]

Thanks Rickie. All good though.

Let's hope you can make enough punting to give up that awful work crap again this year.

[hawk 5]

Problem with the best time is it depends on that weeks race. Going into Indy last year I took Montoco at +1400 before practice and qualifying. After qualifying up front he dropped to +400. Right now the Daytona odds on Harvick are somewhere around +800. He's a horrible qualifyier and after qualifying you should be able to get him at at least +1000.

[ATP123]

daytona doesnt have qualifying though, its has the duels

[hawk 5]

Yes it does. Good point.

[rickie65]

so when do we need to transfer points and get this going? Shootout this weekend!!

[Optional]

I was waiting until the 10th, but you're right, we may as well get moving.


Everyone please transfer me 407 points as soon as possible.

[CarolinaDaze]

Points sent in post#21, i wasn't sure if u wanting them sent there or post #1. Im not sure we will make it for this weekend, i just spoke with Sam9ball he said it could take 2-4 Business days for the $250 to be credited.

[Optional]

Thanks Rickie, CD and Dew.

@Hawk, I don't have the extra points from the other games yet. Can you please do what you were going to do with our friend?

[Optional]

Just waiting on Soxwin1917. Sent him a PM yesterday.

[soxwin1917]

Hey fellas, sorry I didn't see your PM sooner Opti. I thought I'd have 407 by now but I decided not to risk any of my points. Can I buy in a partial stake? Or I'm happy to send all the points I have now and then send the rest daily. Just let me know, I'm excited to get this going.

[Optional]

No worries Soxwin. Just add the rest when you can.

Avssakic, can you please post up all you have today?

And can someone please post up an extra 160 points as a loan to me? I'll pay it back as soon as points come in for the other 2 games.

[hawk 5]

The last 250 is a loan to avssakic

[hawk 5]

May I suggest we skip Daytona and Talladaga? Really not good bets as everyone knows.

[Optional]

Thanks Hawk. I'll order the 5D cash right now.


If 3 other people prefer to skip the Daytona crapshoot we will. Speak up guys.

I'll do a draw for the list order and post it soon.

[Optional]

@Soxwin. Please add 117 points to this post.
@Avssakic. Please add 157 points to this post.
(no rush)


I pulled the list out of a hat twice, instead of just reversing the order. (although it came out almost that way anyway)

Daytona - Optional & Carolina Daze
Phoenix - Hawk & Rickie
Las Vegas - Soxwin & Dew
Bristol - Dew & Avssakic
Fontana - Avssakic & Soxwin
Martinsville - Rickie & Optional
Texas - CD & Hawk

Dega is the next race after that, so if we vote to not bet on restrictor plate tracks, we all move down one race and CD & Hawk would be picking for Richmond instead of Texas.

[rickie65]

Daytona is a crapshoot, especially with the new asphalt. I'd rather get the money-ball rolling rather than skip a race but really I'd leave it up to Opti and CD to decide since you're 1st on the picks list.

[CarolinaDaze]

Im good with whatever you guys want to do, i just plan on really doing lots of extra research on the weeks i pick.

[avssakic]

here is what I have for points, put it in post above

[avssakic]

Also I don't know about skipping them, but maybe just decreasing bet size. Thats what I usually do

[diogee]

Interesting stuff. Added the other 65pts to the post for Avssakic. Look forward to some of your plays.