LAS VEGAS--5mike5

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

I'm using JJ as a cover cuz hate to leave him out. Money plays today are Logano (+1000), Kahne (+1200) and Edwards (+2000). Will be doing several H2H later. Good luck all!

goodluck buddy

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 07:57 AM

That mac over Vickers was one of the 4 H2H's I was looking at closely.

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

goodluck buddy

Let's get the racing started!

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

That mac over Vickers was one of the 4 H2H's I was looking at closely.

yeah at +odds i loved it...

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:11 AM

i still cant figure these bowyer odds out..baffling to me...WAY WAY off

all i can see is he did well on 1-lap practice sheets...

but his 10-lap averages werent there at all....

guess they see him on 1-lap practice charts and think oh wow hes great

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

i still cant figure these bowyer odds out..baffling to me...WAY WAY off

all i can see is he did well on 1-lap practice sheets...

but his 10-lap averages werent there at all....

guess they see him on 1-lap practice charts and think oh wow hes great

I've been scratching my headon that one too. 3rd favorite at the greek. Really????

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

I've been scratching my headon that one too. 3rd favorite at the greek. Really????

tied for 4th @ the moment at dimes, but he should drop alot...

theres NO BASIS for it at all, besides the 1-lap practice sheets he was top 5 most all of them....

that wouldnt even help his GWC chances

bookd are just clueless, thats why they need us to set their prices right for them

he finished 2nd like 5-6 years ago and not a top 5 since...so its not previuos success here either

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:25 AM

just goes to show what i say all the time...

1-lap practice sheets books REALLY pay attention to them...and they are USELESS unless u maybe bet qualifying cause thats all they are is qualifying runs most of the time

and so does joe "im clueless" non nascar fan public

only thing that even matters a little is 10-lap averages, and even that depends on the racetrack cause at least ur keeping ur speed for a little bit of a distance...

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:31 AM

jimmie +475 now at dimes, he creeping to other books now....

thats how much u can lose not being there when they post...over a point down on the race fav already since dimes posted

GP · 03-09-14, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

i still cant figure thesebowyer odds out..baffling to me...WAY WAY off

I heard bowyer's car bounced around the least when going from the apron up the track

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 08:48 AM

Why has Logano dropped since qualifying? Something I'm missing? I thought betting him early was a smart move...oh well.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Why has Logano dropped since qualifying? Something I'm missing? I thought betting him early was a smart move...oh well.

it was a GREAT move betting him early? i did

he was +1700 on openers (well think +1500 @ greek)

now hes +950!

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Why has Logano dropped since qualifying? Something I'm missing? I thought betting him early was a smart move...oh well.

At least I have Edwards at a good price.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by GP

I heard bowyer's car bounced around the least when going from the apron up the track

well thats not THAT big a deal, still doesnt validate the odds...not even close

and thats def. not the reason the books dropped him like a rock from +3000 or whatever he started at

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

it was a GREAT move betting him early? i did

he was +1700 on openers

now hes +950!

Didn't realize. Got started looking at odds late. I took him +1000 before qualifying and can get him at +1200 now.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

At least I have Edwards at a good price.

yeah 20/1 on openers was the best value of the week...

even yesterday +1800 i even psted that was insane great odds for him here

wins, 3 straight top 5 finishes

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Didn't realize. Got started looking at odds late. I took him +1000 before qualifying and can get him at +1200 now.

oh srry i thought u meant begining of the week Pig...

just add a few bucks and make up the diff...wouldnt take much...if it even makes that big a differnce to ya...

still not that bad though...hell we all miss early bets every week...thats why i had to add to kahne, i bet him +975 early, and added at +1300 already and he may still drop....but logano/edwards plays made up for that and much more

considered using him as cover if the #s work out but doubt i will unless i add another driver or something and #s still work out to where any of my plays payoff

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Didn't realize. Got started looking at odds late. I took him +1000 before qualifying and can get him at +1200 now.

I guess Iwill just have to add to it. lol

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

I guess Iwill just have to add to it. lol

yeah i would, funny i posted that above just now

**rob** · 03-09-14, 09:10 AM

I read that the last four times that JJ's had the fastest 10-lap practice speed, he's won the race.

**shaunovery** · 03-09-14, 09:23 AM

Final roster

Jimmy +600
Kasey k +1400
Edwards +1600
Harvick +1400

Decided no cover in the end

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 09:40 AM

Boy - I couldn't disagree with this guy more.

NASCAR heads to Vegas on Sunday
By: Brian Graham
StatFox.com

The NASCAR circuit stays on the West Coast as the teams travel north from Phoenix to Sin City for Sunday's Kobalt 400. Las Vegas Motor Speedway is a 1.5-mile, D-shaped oval track completed in 1996. It was built with bankings measuring a hefty 20° on turns, and 9° banking on the frontstretch and backstretch, which are both exactly 3,330 feet (0.63 miles). The speedway is always rocking with a seating capacity exceeding 250,000 fans, and Matt Kenseth is the defending champion of this race.

Drivers to Watch

Tony Stewart (25/1) - Two poor starts to the 2014 season have certainly affected Stewart's odds in this race from last year when he went off at a much more chalky 8-to-1 price. However, this is a driver that has a pair of top-2 finishes at this track over the past three years, placing second in 2011 before winning the race in 2013. He actually has eight top-7 finishes in 15 starts in Las Vegas, and with odds that aren't likely to be this favorable again, now is the time to put your largest wager on Stewart, who is our pick to win Sunday's race.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 09:42 AM

guy is a moron....dont mind betting him as a longshot or something...

but ur largest wager? thats a joke

**WolverineFan** · 03-09-14, 09:48 AM

Im liking Brad K do it again today

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by 5mike5

guy is a moron....dont mind betting him as a longshot or something...

but ur largest wager? thats a joke

Exactly - Why in the world would you recommend this to readers following you???? He also recommended a 1 unit play on Burton. Not sure I would want to do a full unit on that one too.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by WolverineFan

Im liking Brad K do it again today

Wow I just don't see it. Wouldn't suprise me I guess. But those odds on him are god awful imo. Id have to parlay him winning with a h2h or something.

GL though buddy he can do it for sure. Maybe I should look to a parlay with him!

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Exactly - Why in the world would you recommend this to readers following you???? He also recommended a 1 unit play on Burton. Not sure I would want to do a full unit on that one too.

Guy is completely clueless. U need to stop reading that whole site. If they let him do their NASCAR write-ups they all have to be terrible

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 10:03 AM

These guys are using some better logic:

PredictionsBob Pockrass: Carl Edwards.
Edwards has a win and two fifth-place finishes in his last three Cup races at Vegas. He knows how to get around the place. This will be the weekend that Roush Fenway shows that it has a handle on the new aero rules, and with the help of solid pit calls from crew chief Jimmy Fennig, Edwards will wind up in victory lane.
Jeff Owens: Jimmie Johnson. It’s tempting to pick Kenseth to repeat or Hamlin to regain his momentum, but no one has been better over the years at Las Vegas than Johnson. And giving him and crew chief Chad Knaus seven hours to figure out a track or a new rules package is asking for trouble. Plus, Kobalt Tools is one of Johnson’s sponsors, so Jimmie haters and conspiracy theorists already have their fingers poised above their keyboards, ready to strike.

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 10:04 AM

Nice name by the way Bob.

**5mike5** · 03-09-14, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by pigpenII

Nice name by the way Bob.

Ur right I like his opinion much better. LOL

**rob** · 03-09-14, 10:30 AM

No media member puts more effort into covering NASCAR than Bob Pockrass. He received NASCAR's media award last year. He's one of the most knowledgeable, too.

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 10:34 AM

Las Vegas Motor Speedway Loop Data Stat Leaders (2005-2013, 9 Races)*

*Fastest Early in a Run	*Fastest Late in a Run	Avg. Running Position
1. Jimmie Johnson	1. Carl Edwards	1. Jimmie Johnson - 9.6
2. Kyle Busch	2. Ricky Stenhouse Jr.	2. Jeff Gordon - 10.0
3. Matt Kenseth	3. Dale Earnhardt Jr.	3. Kyle Busch - 10.3
4. Greg Biffle	4. Matt Kenseth	4. Greg Biffle - 10.7
5. Jeff Gordon	5. Jeff Gordon	5. Carl Edwards - 11.6

Laps in Top 15	*Quality Passes	*Driver Rating
1. Kyle Busch - 1904	1. Kyle Busch - 358	1. Jimmie Johnson - 112.3
2. Jeff Gordon - 1870	2. Carl Edwards - 344	2. Jeff Gordon - 103.8
3. Jimmie Johnson - 1825	3. Jeff Gordon - 334	3. Tony Stewart - 103.4
4. Carl Edwards - 1768	4. Jimmie Johnson - 311	4. Greg Biffle - 103.0
5. Greg Biffle - 1754	5. Tony Stewart - 298	5. Kyle Busch - 102.8

**WolverineFan** · 03-09-14, 10:36 AM

I jus think he gonna b sneaky fast today..like mo them penske fords hav right now..wish he woulda quil bad so get better odds..lol

**pigpenII** · 03-09-14, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by rob

No media member puts more effort into covering NASCAR than Bob Pockrass. He received NASCAR's media award last year. He's one of the most knowledgeable, too.

Are you him?

**WolverineFan** · 03-09-14, 10:42 AM

I hate these west coast races damn it..im ready go..cant wait till next week for the high banks of Bristol!!!