Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

^Hey STR: want to get your opinion on the ride by Luan Machado on the #1 Hold My Bourbon in an allowance race at CD on 11/28/24. It is race #10. He is being sued for his efforts. or lack there of. I watched the replay. Not sure what to think? Don't know if you have access to the replay. If not, no worries. THX in advance.

[Easy-Rider 66]

"The Jockeys’ Guild became aware on Thursday, February 27, 2025, of a lawsuit filed in Jefferson Circuit Court in the Commonwealth of Kentucky by Gray V Train Racing, LLC and Westbrook Stables, LLC against jockey Luan Machado. The lawsuit purports to assert claims against Mr. Machado for breach of contract and negligence. The lawsuit arises out of Mr. Machado’s actions at Churchill Downs on Nov. 28, 2024 – specifically, the claim that Mr. Machado prematurely eased up on his mount."The claims asserted against Mr. Machado in the lawsuit are utterly baseless. They are also dangerous. The Kentucky legislature has entrusted the stewards of the Kentucky Horse Racing & Gaming Corporation with responsibility for determining if there has been a violation of the racing rules. The stewards made such a determination here and imposed a fine and suspension on Mr. Machado, which he paid and has served.

"There is absolutely no basis for private parties to try to undermine the stewards’ statutorily-entrusted decision by supplanting it with their own judgment as to what the

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[JBEX]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

[str]

^Hey STR: want to get your opinion on the ride by Luan Machado on the #1 Hold My Bourbon in an allowance race at CD on 11/28/24. It is race #10. He is being sued for his efforts. or lack there of. I watched the replay. Not sure what to think? Don't know if you have access to the replay. If not, no worries. THX in advance.

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It won't let me combine the two posts but I have read them both.


I do have access to all replays . Thanks NYRA Bets !

Simply enough, this was not a misjudgment of the finish line. This rider rode a real nice race. Unfortunately, he did not see the outside horse coming at the last second. Damn shame. Most likely wins.


So here is what I want you to do EZ , and anyone that cares to experience what happened.

Anyone that spends 5 minutes doing this will be much better at watching a race and feeling what a rider feels and sees than you were beforehand.

Sit down in a chair and look straight ahead. Put something that resembles a whip of about 3 feet in length ( like a yard stick) in your right hand holding on to the end portion of it. Now put your hands together and resemble the rider with his hands cupped and together moving them about 3 inches forward and backward. So about 6 inches of total movement forward and backward.
While doing this, ask yourself how much peripheral vision you have? You have probably about 10-15 feet of somewhat decent but blurry vision to each side and you can see just about but not quite even with your body. Is that correct? I can, so I assume most of us can. Now, do you think you would have seen that outside horse coming late? I do think I would have.
Now, put the stick you have cupped in both hands directly in front of you in your right hand and move that hand outside of the body so the arm is maybe 1 ft. away from your body. Now tell me where your head is in conjunction to where it was when your hands were together?

For me, my eyes have moved to the right about 1 foot. Is that about what you feel? Now check to see how far left, while in that exact position you can see to the sides. I would say, for me, it is a foot or maybe a bit more of additional sight to the right and a foot or so less vision to the left. Is that about right EZ?

Are we good so far?

If so, let's now move the stick back to the middle like you did in the beginning and then, move it to your left hand the same exact distance you did to your right hand. I assume the same added sightline difference is now shifted in the other direction. Is that correct EZ? It was for me.

So before we draw any ideas from this remember, they are traveling at about 33 miles per hour. Ever stuck your head out the window of a car going about 33 MPH while hopefully not driving , Lol, like when you were a kid ? I did when I was young and you can't hear much because of the wind noise in your ears. Does that make sense?

So if we are done with that, watch the replay and you will see that the rider started out right handed, that is, the stick in his right hand first. He then, after using it right, switched to his left hand and used it left handed. Just a few of strides before the finish line, the rider turns his stick down but it is still in his left hand. So, his head is slightly cocked left. Is that correct? Looking at the replay, the jockey's head looks slightly left too me. I think it is correct.

Which means, his peripheral vision was slightly left of center resulting in the rider NEVER SEEING that outside horse who was coming on late and far enough away from him to see it. And with that wind noise in his ears, he most likely never heard it either.

There was no reaction from the rider, still in front, just before the finish line at all. He simply never saw the horse at all.

That rider had asked his horse several times and the horse responded perfectly each time. Only an amateur rider would have been hitting that horse at that point. It is as simple as never seeing the other horse.

Happen to me before? Yes. Happen to every trainer and most likely owner over time before. Yes. Most have lost a race like that, and, won a race like that.

It stinks. I, and all involved hate it. But it in inevitable if you run often enough.


Hopefully this bogus nonsensical law suit will be dismissed with prejudice and the judge basically tell the plaintiff to go pound sand.



On a side note, anyone that has been brave enough to tolerate reading most or all of this thread knows how much I always loved having a rider ride lefthanded. Meaning, start out left handed and finish right handed. Sometimes the traffic they are dealing with will not allow that. But if it does, I always preferred left first, than right. This incident helps explain one reason where it would have made a big difference. The rider would have seen that horse with his head cocked slightly to the right. And while horses do run up the rail to win as well, more times than not, they are outside not inside real late.

All the little things that can add up.

Hope it all makes sense folks.

[str]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Cool. Thanks JBEX. I will look but let's see what would happen if we did a blind 2.00 win and place on each one.

[JBEX]

Cool. Thanks JBEX. I will look but let's see what would happen if we did a blind 2.00 win and place on each one.

no problem str

besides the obvious one at santa anita (by ml ..not a pick ) don't think it's a bad bunch relative to their odds..overall it's amazing how many nice horses you get from him relative to their purchase price..can't wait till he gets better stock over the next few years





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[Easy-Rider 66]

THX for the detailed explanation STR. Your take is a bit complicated but not surprised. You see things that the average viewer does not see. LOL. Based on your response and watching the replay again I hope this lawsuit is dismissed quickly. It's a bad look for the game and unfair to the jockey. THX

[str]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Grade A... goes straight from maidens to a Stake and catches 2 stake winners. Can't lose a nw/2 IMO. Will run her race.

Stanley House... Always runs so hard. Such a nice horse.

Battleoftheravine... Most likely wakes up today at a nice price.

Saving Heart... Randy Morse knows his stuff. A wake up most likely at a price.

Ovetta's Hobby...Solid race here but excellently spotted by the trainer.


That is my opinion.

Thanks again JBEX.

[str]

THX for the detailed explanation STR. Your take is a bit complicated but not surprised. You see things that the average viewer does not see. LOL. Based on your response and watching the replay again I hope this lawsuit is dismissed quickly. It's a bad look for the game and unfair to the jockey. THX

Sorry it's complicated. I get carried away. But, in today's world of misjudging finish lines because they are all over the place, which is terrible for the riders as well as the bettors, this was not that AT ALL. Not even close. The rider never saw that outside horse. Had he been slashing like a fool with the whip, he would have been criticized for that, and IMO, rightfully so.
This is just unfortunate. But to sue based on what is said in the lawsuit is totally unfair, wrong, and again IMO, the owner should be made an example of.
I wonder if that owner has ever done anything where it was said by that person, sorry, I never saw you. Well that is what happened. Anything else is pure BS.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Sorry it's complicated. I get carried away. But, in today's world of misjudging finish lines because they are all over the place, which is terrible for the riders as well as the bettors, this was not that AT ALL. Not even close. The rider never saw that outside horse. Had he been slashing like a fool with the whip, he would have been criticized for that, and IMO, rightfully so.
This is just unfortunate. But to sue based on what is said in the lawsuit is totally unfair, wrong, and again IMO, the owner should be made an example of.
I wonder if that owner has ever done anything where it was said by that person, sorry, I never saw you. Well that is what happened. Anything else is pure BS.

no worries STR I appreciate the response.

[JBEX]

couple of interesting things ..

chad brown has an uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns) going in the gotham (R8) ..broke maiden in his debut at tampa bay last out ..always interesting with that pedigree and this trainer being aggresive.. rick dutrow has a horse in there also

#8 mcAfee (10-1) rick
#9 garamond (8-1) chad

post @ 4:18

[batt33]

It won't let me combine the two posts but I have read them both.


I do have access to all replays . Thanks NYRA Bets !

Simply enough, this was not a misjudgment of the finish line. This rider rode a real nice race. Unfortunately, he did not see the outside horse coming at the last second. Damn shame. Most likely wins.


So here is what I want you to do EZ , and anyone that cares to experience what happened.

Anyone that spends 5 minutes doing this will be much better at watching a race and feeling what a rider feels and sees than you were beforehand.

Sit down in a chair and look straight ahead. Put something that resembles a whip of about 3 feet in length ( like a yard stick) in your right hand holding on to the end portion of it. Now put your hands together and resemble the rider with his hands cupped and together moving them about 3 inches forward and backward. So about 6 inches of total movement forward and backward.
While doing this, ask yourself how much peripheral vision you have? You have probably about 10-15 feet of somewhat decent but blurry vision to each side and you can see just about but not quite even with your body. Is that correct? I can, so I assume most of us can. Now, do you think you would have seen that outside horse coming late? I do think I would have.
Now, put the stick you have cupped in both hands directly in front of you in your right hand and move that hand outside of the body so the arm is maybe 1 ft. away from your body. Now tell me where your head is in conjunction to where it was when your hands were together?

For me, my eyes have moved to the right about 1 foot. Is that about what you feel? Now check to see how far left, while in that exact position you can see to the sides. I would say, for me, it is a foot or maybe a bit more of additional sight to the right and a foot or so less vision to the left. Is that about right EZ?

Are we good so far?

If so, let's now move the stick back to the middle like you did in the beginning and then, move it to your left hand the same exact distance you did to your right hand. I assume the same added sightline difference is now shifted in the other direction. Is that correct EZ? It was for me.

So before we draw any ideas from this remember, they are traveling at about 33 miles per hour. Ever stuck your head out the window of a car going about 33 MPH while hopefully not driving , Lol, like when you were a kid ? I did when I was young and you can't hear much because of the wind noise in your ears. Does that make sense?

So if we are done with that, watch the replay and you will see that the rider started out right handed, that is, the stick in his right hand first. He then, after using it right, switched to his left hand and used it left handed. Just a few of strides before the finish line, the rider turns his stick down but it is still in his left hand. So, his head is slightly cocked left. Is that correct? Looking at the replay, the jockey's head looks slightly left too me. I think it is correct.

Which means, his peripheral vision was slightly left of center resulting in the rider NEVER SEEING that outside horse who was coming on late and far enough away from him to see it. And with that wind noise in his ears, he most likely never heard it either.

There was no reaction from the rider, still in front, just before the finish line at all. He simply never saw the horse at all.

That rider had asked his horse several times and the horse responded perfectly each time. Only an amateur rider would have been hitting that horse at that point. It is as simple as never seeing the other horse.

Happen to me before? Yes. Happen to every trainer and most likely owner over time before. Yes. Most have lost a race like that, and, won a race like that.

It stinks. I, and all involved hate it. But it in inevitable if you run often enough.


Hopefully this bogus nonsensical law suit will be dismissed with prejudice and the judge basically tell the plaintiff to go pound sand.



On a side note, anyone that has been brave enough to tolerate reading most or all of this thread knows how much I always loved having a rider ride lefthanded. Meaning, start out left handed and finish right handed. Sometimes the traffic they are dealing with will not allow that. But if it does, I always preferred left first, than right. This incident helps explain one reason where it would have made a big difference. The rider would have seen that horse with his head cocked slightly to the right. And while horses do run up the rail to win as well, more times than not, they are outside not inside real late.

All the little things that can add up.

Hope it all makes sense folks.

Love the post STR! Always learning and appreciate the insights ....As Always

[batt33]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Grade A... goes straight from maidens to a Stake and catches 2 stake winners. Can't lose a nw/2 IMO. Will run her race.

Stanley House... Always runs so hard. Such a nice horse.

Battleoftheravine... Most likely wakes up today at a nice price.

Saving Heart... Randy Morse knows his stuff. A wake up most likely at a price.

Ovetta's Hobby...Solid race here but excellently spotted by the trainer.


That is my opinion.

Thanks again JBEX.

Always love following the Army Mules!
Thanks for the thoughts STR!

[batt33]

Always love following the Army Mules!
Thanks for the thoughts STR!

just looked at the results for race 4 at Gulfstream.... apparently I'm a little behind... lol But good grief the " Vekoma" 2 year olds are on fire!

[JBEX]

just looked at the results for race 4 at Gulfstream.... apparently I'm a little behind... lol But good grief the " Vekoma" 2 year olds are on fire!

I think he has a good shot to be a $100k fee by 2027
..really producing a lot of talented runners

[batt33]

I think he has a good shot to be a $100k fee by 2027
..really producing a lot of talented runners

Not out of the question! Cant wait for my Vekoma to get to the track!

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report
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Caldera worked a very easy half-mile on Wednesday at Oaklawn in :50.40. As you'll see in the video, he was just cruising along and was not asked for much at all--that's completely standard for a first breeze back after a race. An official decision has not yet been made as far as a next target, but we are likely leaning towards the Louisiana Derby for the time being. We will be sure to share more as soon as plans are firmed up, but as far as management of the horse goes and for giving him the best chance to make it into the Kentucky Derby, there's no real benefit to making decisions sooner than is necessary.https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...0757886313.mp4

[str]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Grade A... goes straight from maidens to a Stake and catches 2 stake winners. Can't lose a nw/2 IMO. Will run her race.

Stanley House... Always runs so hard. Such a nice horse.

Battleoftheravine... Most likely wakes up today at a nice price.

Saving Heart... Randy Morse knows his stuff. A wake up most likely at a price.

Ovetta's Hobby...Solid race here but excellently spotted by the trainer.


That is my opinion.

Thanks again JBEX.

Recap:

Grade A:

Led, dueled, head and head to the last 1/8th mile. Went off 65-1 Lost by a total of 2 3/4's lengths.
Ran a great race. Race selection was terrible IMO. That is a winning effort in a n/w of 2 race.


Stanley House:

On the lead at 35-1 Ran 1:10 flat for the 3/4 time, going a mile.
Horse ran great. Race selection terrible IMO.

Battle Of the Ravine:

Excellent effort . Was head and head until past the 1/8th pole at 11-1. Ends up 5th
Race selection was fine. Do note that all 4 horses that beat her were 4 year old maidens. Remember what we talked about with 3 yr. old maidens running against 4 yr. old maidens in claimers this time of year.,
A perfect example. This will hold up until about May or June, then, it won't matter nearly as much if at all.

Saving Heart and Ovetta's Hobby were both scratched.

Conclusion? All three Army Mules ran fine efforts. As usual, these offspring run their tails off every time they step on the track it seems. The race selection for Battleoftheravine was fine, just too many 4 year olds this time. Not much a trainer can do. She beat all other 3 year olds in the field.

The other two horses were poorly spotted and IMO that is all on the connections NOT the horse.

Don't mean to knock but these offspring deserve at least 1/2 as much effort finding the right races to run in, that they give when asked to run. IMO, of course.

[JBEX]

Recap:

Grade A:

Led, dueled, head and head to the last 1/8th mile. Went off 65-1 Lost by a total of 2 3/4's lengths.
Ran a great race. Race selection was terrible IMO. That is a winning effort in a n/w of 2 race.


Stanley House:

On the lead at 35-1 Ran 1:10 flat for the 3/4 time, going a mile.
Horse ran great. Race selection terrible IMO.

Battle Of the Ravine:

Excellent effort . Was head and head until past the 1/8th pole at 11-1. Ends up 5th
Race selection was fine. Do note that all 4 horses that beat her were 4 year old maidens. Remember what we talked about with 3 yr. old maidens running against 4 yr. old maidens in claimers this time of year.,
A perfect example. This will hold up until about May or June, then, it won't matter nearly as much if at all.

Saving Heart and Ovetta's Hobby were both scratched.

Conclusion? All three Army Mules ran fine efforts. As usual, these offspring run their tails off every time they step on the track it seems. The race selection for Battleoftheravine was fine, just too many 4 year olds this time. Not much a trainer can do. She beat all other 3 year olds in the field.

The other two horses were poorly spotted and IMO that is all on the connections NOT the horse.

Don't mean to knock but these offspring deserve at least 1/2 as much effort finding the right races to run in, that they give when asked to run. IMO, of course.

grade a

agree that was an excellent in spite of the finish position..lengths behind is more telling..in addition his msw win last out was vs florida breds so that was a huge leap in class..would think they would have alw for statebreds and agree even if they don't might win vs opens

stanley house

surprised he went for the lead as he hadn't in his last 10 but have a hunch from the outside which he'd been nowhere near in previous 10 (except the 1.5M marathon) they wanted to be aggressive for position..maragh instead of jv (listed) possibly also .. think he'll put in some nice efforts stalking going forward ..spotting might be a little tricky since he's through both alw conditions

battleoftheravine

excellent point with being a 3yo vs older..probably needed a race also as he trailed in last all the way around in his debut..army vs arky lol breds mcl will pay off ..possibly be able to win vs open nw2 or 3l claimers down the road if oak meet over

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: what % of handicapping do you think is contingent on where a trainer spots a horse? So when you look over the form is that one of the first things you examine? Trainer intent is not my strong suit but I am trying to discern whether a horse is in over his head or dropping to a more reasonable level. THX.

[JBEX]

by army mule..aqu R3 #5 army gal (3-1) broke maiden in debut last out..next step


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[str]

by army mule..aqu R3 #5 army gal (3-1)broke maiden in debut last out..next step


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This is the logical next race up for this horse. Exactly where the horse belongs. Certainly can win but if not look for a solid effort.
This is why Linda Rice wins so many races. She spots them in logical races. She does a heck of a good job in all facets of training.

[JBEX]

This is the logical next race up for this horse. Exactly where the horse belongs. Certainly can win but if not look for a solid effort.
This is why Linda Rice wins so many races. She spots them in logical races. She does a heck of a good job in all facets of training.

yes she's as solid as they come and has been at it for a very long time ..possibly take advantage of being further outside the two (practically) co-favorites..really surprised they offered the 2 up for a claim (and taken) last start ..looked like a lot of potential from first 3 starts to risk that

[Madison]

Not out of the question! Cant wait for my Vekoma to get to the track!

Hey Batt,

GP R4 #4 Rolando out of Vekoma has run admirably first few starts. Race looks interesting. All sorts of variables. #3 coming out of my stable off last run, but may be in tough?

[str]

Hey STR: what % of handicapping do you think is contingent on where a trainer spots a horse? So when you look over the form is that one of the first things you examine? Trainer intent is not my strong suit but I am trying to discern whether a horse is in over his head or dropping to a more reasonable level. THX.

Quite a bit once you have looked over the race. If you read the conditions first and learn to understand them you will see which trainers are concentrating on winning and which aren’t.
Certain trainers are almost always live in a race. Ever notice that? Some others are seemingly just running for 2nd or 3 rd. Others are running on a big race day at 70-1 just to do it. I never understood that .

[batt33]

Hey Batt,

GP R4 #4 Rolando out of Vekoma has run admirably first few starts. Race looks interesting. All sorts of variables. #3 coming out of my stable off last run, but may be in tough?

It will be a fun race to watch! Down to 5 horses so I don't think there will be any value. I like the cut back in distance showing early speed and not a bad horse he lost to last time!

[Easy-Rider 66]

Quite a bit once you have looked over the race. If you read the conditions first and learn to understand them you will see which trainers are concentrating on winning and which aren’t.
Certain trainers are almost always live in a race. Ever notice that? Some others are seemingly just running for 2nd or 3 rd. Others are running on a big race day at 70-1 just to do it. I never understood that .

OK STR thx. I guess sometimes those 70/1 shots gut lucky and score but few and far between. Maybe the allure of running in a big race is too strong to overcome. LOL. THX

[JBEX]

Hey Batt,

GP R4 #4 Rolando out of Vekoma has run admirably first few starts. Race looks interesting. All sorts of variables. #3 coming out of my stable off last run, but may be in tough?

It will be a fun race to watch! Down to 5 horses so I don't think there will be any value. I like the cut back in distance showing early speed and not a bad horse he lost to last time!

I like the cutback also,especially with the way he ran in the mile last out ..dam sire a sprint influence and have a hunch 6f might be his distance..pletcher's could be anything but rolando likely to be on the lead by himself ..think they are less concerned about winning vs a solid effort off the layoff with the former

[JBEX]

races discussed above

aqu R3 @ 2:05
gulf R4 @ 2:26

[Madison]

Interference

So, I hate myself for being this way (bringing up bad memories) but ...

I lost a large (for me) bet on Owen Almighty a month or 2 ago on an objection.

GP R2 today #3 totally crashes into the 6 about an 1/8 to go, in what seems to be a worse offense, and not even an inquiry.

Don't waste your precious time with a lengthy reply but at least a look at GP R2 stretch and the 3 would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

[Madison]

This is the logical next race up for this horse. Exactly where the horse belongs. Certainly can win but if not look for a solid effort.
This is why Linda Rice wins so many races. She spots them in logical races. She does a heck of a good job in all facets of training.

Blew this one. Had a free $10 from TVG I'm trying to spend. Nice pick!!!

[str]

So, I hate myself for being this way (bringing up bad memories) but ...

I lost a large (for me) bet on Owen Almighty a month or 2 ago on an objection.

GP R2 today #3 totally crashes into the 6 about an 1/8 to go, in what seems to be a worse offense, and not even an inquiry.

Don't waste your precious time with a lengthy reply but at least a look at GP R2 stretch and the 3 would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

Just saw this. That inside horse , the 6, was completely out of gas and the 3 horse was a body length clear to the outside or right, of that 6 horse. From the side view, we see the 3 horses head go left and seemingly into the 6 but that is not the case. He had 4 feet to angle and go at the same time and did not touch the very tired 6 horse. The rider of the 6 never changes his hand action to pull back which tells you the 3 was clear enough that no tripping was of concern. That jock on the 6 would have grabbed his horse if he thought their feet might get tangled up. Seeing that it was no concern by the rider of the 6 horse, rest assured they were clear of tangling hind feet from the 3 and front feet from the 6.
I hope you can see that sir. The head on shot helps quite a bit.

[Madison]

Just saw this. That inside horse , the 6, was completely out of gas and the 3 horse was a body length clear to the outside or right, of that 6 horse. From the side view, we see the 3 horses head go left and seemingly into the 6 but that is not the case. He had 4 feet to angle and go at the same time and did not touch the very tired 6 horse. The rider of the 6 never changes his hand action to pull back which tells you the 3 was clear enough that no tripping was of concern. That jock on the 6 would have grabbed his horse if he thought their feet might get tangled up. Seeing that it was no concern by the rider of the 6 horse, rest assured they were clear of tangling hind feet from the 3 and front feet from the 6.
I hope you can see that sir. The head on shot helps quite a bit.

Thank you. I guess I'll never get greyhound racing out of me, as you could, bump, bite, and ride home and the result was the result.

All my best!

[JBEX]

by army mule..monday @ mahoning R7 #1 holidays army brat (8-1)..post @ 3:03

ohio bred stakes race for 3 year old fillies



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[JBEX]

by army mule..monday @ mahoning R7 #1 holidays army brat (8-1)..post @ 3:03

ohio bred stakes race for 3 year old fillies



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just noticed she's still a maiden.. a little aggresive but being it's vs statebreds and AM a kentucky sire not concerned with it