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MadisonSBR Hall of Famer
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
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#9067
Can you fix the world? NO. But you can make a difference in some peoples lives. And somehow when we see people with a lot of talent in the sports field or the movies, heck, anything, we seem to just window dress the problem to appease the fans that support whatever the profession is. We want to be sure and look like we care. But the heck with that . Don't try to look like it, be like it. Do what is really needed. Help to make this jockey the person he probably wishes he could be. You should IMO never think you cannot learn anymore. And with that, we should not ever think we cannot help to teach or educate someone no matter their age or resume. All any person with a problem needs to do is WANT to fix it. Again, I feel the racetrack owes it to those that have dedicated their lives to the sport to try as hard as possible to help facilitate that help. Try and make it just a little better. One person at a time if necessary.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9068
And that is fine for a seasoned older horse. But NEVER a baby. He allowed the horse time to think. We saw the result of that. You never do that with a baby. That was not on the horse IMO. Unfortunately, I place the fault on Paco for forgetting who he was on and what was needed. And Paco knows this. I know he does.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9069
I surely would want for him to explain what he meant and knew when he said what he said.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9070I watched the replay and saw him hit the horse after being pulled up..terrible thing to do to a young horse and a solid,veteran jock like paco should know that ..wouldn't have guessed you have to stay busy on a 2yo that opens up a sizeable lead but it does seem logical to meComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9071realize I said I wouldn't mention liam's map's when they run but there is a 2yo maiden R6 gulfstream @ 20-1 ml that looks decent at that price to me .. #6 melle mel @ 3:04
..if I see something that I think is interesting from a betting standpoint might mention a LM but that would be the only reason to do it before a race
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JellymancanSBR MVP
- 03-09-20
- 3682
#9072I couldn't agree more Jelly. It just seems that the typical punishment is not getting through to him. I feel he needs help. Mental help. And the racetrack IMO should owe that to all the riders, trainers and workers that come to work everyday. Rain, snow or shine. Before it is light out and work until the sun is setting.
Can you fix the world? NO. But you can make a difference in some peoples lives. And somehow when we see people with a lot of talent in the sports field or the movies, heck, anything, we seem to just window dress the problem to appease the fans that support whatever the profession is. We want to be sure and look like we care. But the heck with that . Don't try to look like it, be like it. Do what is really needed. Help to make this jockey the person he probably wishes he could be. You should IMO never think you cannot learn anymore. And with that, we should not ever think we cannot help to teach or educate someone no matter their age or resume. All any person with a problem needs to do is WANT to fix it. Again, I feel the racetrack owes it to those that have dedicated their lives to the sport to try as hard as possible to help facilitate that help. Try and make it just a little better. One person at a time if necessary.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9073I watched the replay and saw him hit the horse after being pulled up..terrible thing to do to a young horse and a solid,veteran jock like paco should know that ..wouldn't have guessed you have to stay busy on a 2yo that opens up a sizeable lead but it does seem logical to meComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9074realize I said I wouldn't mention liam's map's when they run but there is a 2yo maiden R6 gulfstream @ 20-1 ml that looks decent at that price to me .. #6 melle mel @ 3:04
..if I see something that I think is interesting from a betting standpoint might mention a LM but that would be the only reason to do it before a race
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clement had 2 fts with the lower odds one going off at 4-1 and ridden by irad ..pretty much co 2nd choice .. both had big pedigrees and ultimately the other ridden by tyler came 2nd @ 13-1 (solid also < half length) . obviously irad on the lower odds one had something to do with it but doesn't $37 for $1 seem like a really nice exacta for this finish ??Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9075if you happened to look at the race i thought the LM did some running for a first attempt at a turf sprint ..stalking a lone front running debuter by wesley ward is not a good place to be and he wound up wiring the field @ 2-1
clement had 2 fts with the lower odds one going off at 4-1 and ridden by irad ..pretty much co 2nd choice .. both had big pedigrees and ultimately the other ridden by tyler came 2nd @ 13-1 (solid also < half length) . obviously irad on the lower odds one had something to do with it but doesn't $37 for $1 seem like a really nice exacta for this finish ??Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9077Last edited by str; 12-06-24, 03:36 PM.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9078Sure JBEX. When you look at pure sprinters and within them the fastest early speed of those, you need to see if the horse switches leads back to the right leg. In most cases, I am referring to the speed of the speed. Those are the horses you have to be sure will switch . When clear they might be able to get away with it but when pressed, if they do not typically switch leads that pressure will typically have them run out of gas in that run through the stretch.
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JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9079couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f
remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36
R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)
uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
we've watched him before
demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05
R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
(by guess who)
finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start
neutral opinion on both for me
..just pedigree things we follow
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batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5980
#9080I Missed the race.... Part of a group that places wreaths on the tombstones of our Military heros... 4500 wreaths this year! If I was smart enough I would upload some pics! Pretty cool.... a lot of effort goes into just getting the wreaths together to be able put out...
here is a link from years ago.... look quick before it goes behind a wall! or just log in and out a couple of times!
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batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5980
#9081And speaking of LM [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Entry Update[/COLOR]Caldera has officially been entered at Oaklawn for next Friday in that aforementioned 1 1/16-mile maiden special weight. He'll be the #3 among a field of eight carded as the day's second race. Post time is 12:58 p.m. CT.
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JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9082couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f
remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36
R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)
uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
we've watched him before
demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05
R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
(by guess who)
finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start
neutral opinion on both for me
..just pedigree things we follow
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and the cigar mile R9 @ 3:35 ..start of a .50 p5 (R6) also ..my pick at a price in the latter is #8 pipeline (20-1) .. an excellent betting raceComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9083had an army mule winner in R4 @ laurel yesterday..susan's mule paid $6.20Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9084
It can work well with a 3 yr. old that does not want to switch. Lite The Fuse was classic no switch leads horse. An Easy enough lead, could still win no problem. But heavy pressure? Hard to withstand that.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9085couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f
remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36
R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)
uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
we've watched him before
demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05
R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
(by guess who)
finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start
neutral opinion on both for me
..just pedigree things we follow
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Yep. Nice horse. Should run well.
Can't pull up, the other one . No problem JBEX. I'll watch the replay afterwards.
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9086I Missed the race.... Part of a group that places wreaths on the tombstones of our Military heros... 4500 wreaths this year! If I was smart enough I would upload some pics! Pretty cool.... a lot of effort goes into just getting the wreaths together to be able put out...
here is a link from years ago.... look quick before it goes behind a wall! or just log in and out a couple of times!
https://www.chicoer.com/2019/12/07/h...ille-cemetery/
That is some sacred ground man.
My dad hated anything to do with the war including going to Arlington Nat. Cemetery. We lived very close to it. He served in WW II , was wounded, but was able to continue to contribute when he was better. I've spoken about it before in here. But, he did not want to be buried there.
My God, is that some solemn, sacred ground. Such a deep deep felling of respect and thanks to all those that are there. It's like nothing I can describe any better than I just tried to. It is breathtaking and deep. I am sure where you went is as well.
All then respect in the world for you and all that do that work. I'm sure you feel that it is an honor. And of course it is, but many thanks for doing that .Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9087
But I see no reason that the 2 horse won't run well. Two turns, you never know.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9088yes he's a killer and the trainer on fire is putting it mildly ..I think the liam's map going to give a good account of herself and as you said never know on the stretchout..one other amazing thing ..5 are out of tapit mares and another is out of a mare by pulpit (tapit's sire) ..noticed over a long time including KB that he's a tremendous broodmare sire..one of the reasons besides being by uncle mo, that I showed you aviator guiComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9089day keeps getting more interesting
aqu R3 #5 take home the cup (8-1) @ 12:39.. 2yo fts by LM and trained by rick dutrow..probably need a race but thought you'd like to knowComment -
MadisonSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-16-11
- 6372
#9090couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f
remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36
R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)
uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
we've watched him before
demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05
R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
(by guess who)
finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start
neutral opinion on both for me
..just pedigree things we follow
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R8 the 1 looks to be a beast. Also extending from 7 to 9. Few interesting breeding's, 4 Vino Rosso/Uncle Mo, 8 Into Mischief/Tapit.
Have to admit I'm a sucker for the young up and coming.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9091
R8 yeah 1 is a beast but you never know going 2 turns till they do it ..nice bloodlines with all of themComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
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JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
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#9093yes he's a killer and the trainer on fire is putting it mildly ..I think the liam's map going to give a good account of herself and as you said never know on the stretchout..one other amazing thing ..5 are out of tapit mares and another is out of a mare by pulpit (tapit's sire) ..noticed over a long time including KB that he's a tremendous broodmare sire..one of the reasons besides being by uncle mo, that I showed you aviator gui
aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more
liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9094cigar mile
locked who i picked as a derby future early last year won in his 2nd start of the year..very impressive performance but didn't want to take at what I anticipated to be a short price(off 2-1)
..probably be a big player next yearComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9095top 2 finishers in the remsen and demoiselle are out of tapit mares and the 3rd place finisher in the former is by tapit
aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more
liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1
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bozemanSBR MVP
- 11-11-09
- 2162
#9096If anyone has any questions they would like to ask , I will do my best to answer them. While some answers might require opinion, I hope to answer as many as I can from a purely factual standpoint.
My time line of experience is from 1972-2001. From a hot walker to a trainer of a large stable, I saw and learned many things and will gladly share any knowledge I can with you.
Feel free to post any questions .
Best of Luck.
some questions that interest me is: how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?
also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else? Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic - but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?
Thank u in advance!Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9097top 2 finishers in the remsen and demoiselle are out of tapit mares and the 3rd place finisher in the former is by tapit
aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more
liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1
Liam In The Dust ran fine. Good job there to hang on for 3rd. 24/48 and relaxed for the winner was more than enough for her to win. Nice race for the 2nd horse but the winner was the winner pretty much all the way around from what I saw.Last edited by str; 12-08-24, 09:23 AM.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9098Aviator Gui ran an excellent race. He lugged in shying from the right handed whip about the 1/8th pole but stopped doing so as soon as he was corrected. Did it cost him? Well, yeah, probably but that is always part of it. No fault from rider or horse IMO. Just racing stuff that happens. Looks like he was wearing a D bit, the mildest bit around, so maybe you switch to a leather prong or something that maybe gives the horse just a little pause to do that next time but again, he ran great and I am pointing out things that is not a fault, simply something that might make him just a little better next time. Or, ride him left handed, meaning start left handed , then right handed if necessary. Just little things. All in all, he ran great.
Liam In The Dust ran fine. Good job there to hang on for 3rd. 24/48 and relaxed for the winner was more than enough for her to win. Nice race for the 2nd horse but the winner was the winner pretty much all the way around from what I saw.
have to think a 6.5 -7f race off that effort would be perfect for liam in the dust..still qualified for a 1st level alw race so see where she winds up..even a mile wouldn't be a bad fit as that's one turn at gulfstream
thanks for the feedback strComment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23032
#9099army mule filly..GP R10 #1 be here now (10-1) @ 4:49Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11530
#9100Hey boss - I think your post is from a while ago- if u still willing to answer please do! I would appreciate learning about how horse racing works from inside out.
some questions that interest me is: how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?
also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else? Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic - but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?
Thank u in advance!
Because the most asked question to me about horse racing is "What do I miss most about the game"?
The answer is: The people in it.
And while most of that was meant for everyone I met along the way, it is also means the fans. Because the game is way to complex to give a few stock answers, I try to answer the specific question with all honesty and to the best of my ability.
So do try at your leisure to sift through this long and winding thread and if you need any further explanation, just copy and paste it and I will do my best to clear things up.
So let's answer these without a ton of detail but happy to supply more wherever you might want me to.
Q. how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?
A. This depends on the type of race and other things. But let me try and give a few examples. The top horses, the best of the best, will typically arrive at the track they are going to race on at least a few days before the race. In the high end races, a week or even two prior. I'm talking about the Ky. Derby, Breeders Cup, etc.
But when it comes to everyday racing, some horses are stabled at the track that is running while others are maybe a hour + or - away. They will typically van there the morning of , or afternoon for night racing . Is there a home field advantage like in other sports? Yes, but it is not so much that it should prevent you on playing the horse of your choice. As a routine handicapper, I would not consider that in the vast array of information you need to decipher.
Q. also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else?
A. No. It is the same format in the USA. If you are stabled and typically race in a state, you will be licensed and insured for that state. If you ship to a different state, you need to be licensed and insured in that state as well. Each is their own entity. I typically had 4,5,6 licenses every year so I could run primarily in Md. but could opt to run a horse by shipping in that day, or maybe a couple of days before but that was rare. In my case, I was typically licensed in Penn., W. Va. Delaware, , Va., New Jersey and maybe N.Y. Typically a couple of days prior to if the race was say 4 or more hours away. But an hour or two is typically best for the horse to make it one long day as they can take time to acclimate in a new stall and shipping early by a day or so would become detrimental to the horse both mentally and physically in some cases.
Q. Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic
A. Yes it certainly can be. Thus, the logic I wrote above.
Q. but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?
A. I am sure that it does exist elsewhere. Each state will have it's own licensing procedures. Often times, I could apply for my license a few states away but before the race, I would fly or drive up and having already submitted my paperwork, I would need to get fingerprinted and get a photo license that I needed prior to race time and display or wear when entering the paddock area, stable area, or other restricted areas for horsemen only.
Hope that helps and hope we hear from you again.
It was my pleasure.
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