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  • Madison
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-16-11
    • 6372

    #9066
    Originally posted by str
    In yesterday’s 5 th race at Parx, Paco Lopez rode the winner of the 5th race. The horse is a 2 year old Maiden special weight going long. If you watch the replay the horse looses interest as he is easily drawing away from the field as they turn for home. When the horse looses interest he starts pulling up and going to the outside. I would bet a lot of money that he galloped in company and pulled up just past the wire everyday for months and my guess is recently he either stopped galloping in company, which can be somewhat typical once the horse starts running races. I assume the horse has run a couple times but did not see the form. Anyway, if this is the case all this would make a lot of sense. I saw it all the time when I was there.
    so assuming he did start galloping by himself but even if not, if he was used to galloping past the wire daily and now that it is colder outside especially in the morning, the rider might choose to start pulling up a little earlier than usual because it is a long jog home on the outside fence if you go past the wire to start to pull up but a lot quicker if you start pulling up at the 3/16ths or 1/8th pole. And… it’s cold .

    So the horse, if I am right and I’d bet on it, over thinks it and starts taking himself to the outside fence to pull up . Paco starts hitting him on his neck that is a complete waste of time as the horse is now thinking and Paco is not in charge.
    The horse still wins but it’s ugly and when finally pulling up about an 1/8 of a mile later, Paco losses his cool and hits the horse hard on the neck when the horse is no longer galloping out.
    The outrider then steps in and gets him back home. Next day, he is suspended and probably gets the rest of the year off. So stupid! A bad temper within a really good rider.
    A couple of things. The horse was wearing 3/4 blinkers which are very common. He ran in the mildest bit trainers use meaning he must not have shown any signs of this previously.
    It will be an easy fix unless the horse latches onto this habit and hopefully it doesn’t happen again. But like I said, this horse just did not do this from out of nowhere.

    I doubt you will get the real reason it happened but plenty of people already know.
    The trainer Durarte seems to win often I think and probably has a barn full of horses. He only made matters worse when asked about what happened. He defended the rider and might not have seen the problem after the race. But a little diplomacy would have gone a long way there. Gotta be better than that . This isn’t the 70’s anymore and fans get upset and rightly so. I remember it happening too me back then and I was so pissed I could hardly breath. I was upset for the horse. But OMG I was mad at the rider.

    We will see what happens. A quick note. This horse could have and should have won by at least 10 length’s yesterday. He won by one length. When he runs back he should be a tough out. Maybe keep an eye on that. He is a lot better than this race will show on the form.
    To watch the replay go to http://www.parxracing.com/ Tuesday 5th race.
    It looked, to me, that he slowed down dramatically once he seized the lead near the far turn, and then when the 1 approached him he started running again before the shenanigans in the stretch.
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    • str
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 01-12-09
      • 11530

      #9067
      Originally posted by Jellymancan
      Paco is reckless and has a past history. He might be talented but I don’t like or respect him. I think he should get a hefty suspension or more for his despicable act. Another black eye on the sport.
      I couldn't agree more Jelly. It just seems that the typical punishment is not getting through to him. I feel he needs help. Mental help. And the racetrack IMO should owe that to all the riders, trainers and workers that come to work everyday. Rain, snow or shine. Before it is light out and work until the sun is setting.
      Can you fix the world? NO. But you can make a difference in some peoples lives. And somehow when we see people with a lot of talent in the sports field or the movies, heck, anything, we seem to just window dress the problem to appease the fans that support whatever the profession is. We want to be sure and look like we care. But the heck with that . Don't try to look like it, be like it. Do what is really needed. Help to make this jockey the person he probably wishes he could be. You should IMO never think you cannot learn anymore. And with that, we should not ever think we cannot help to teach or educate someone no matter their age or resume. All any person with a problem needs to do is WANT to fix it. Again, I feel the racetrack owes it to those that have dedicated their lives to the sport to try as hard as possible to help facilitate that help. Try and make it just a little better. One person at a time if necessary.
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      • str
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-12-09
        • 11530

        #9068
        Originally posted by Madison
        It looked, to me, that he slowed down dramatically once he seized the lead near the far turn, and then when the 1 approached him he started running again before the shenanigans in the stretch.
        Totally correct sir. Good eye !
        And that is fine for a seasoned older horse. But NEVER a baby. He allowed the horse time to think. We saw the result of that. You never do that with a baby. That was not on the horse IMO. Unfortunately, I place the fault on Paco for forgetting who he was on and what was needed. And Paco knows this. I know he does.
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        • str
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-12-09
          • 11530

          #9069
          Originally posted by batt33
          Wow appreciate your thoughts on why the horse did things the way he did. You always give me a new perspective!

          As for Paco WTH were you thinking .... same with the trainer and his thoughts.... If I'm the owner yeah I'm thinking of a new trainer....
          I cannot speak for the trainer. I can only hope he did not see what happened when pulled up. If he did, and that was his response? Yikes.

          I surely would want for him to explain what he meant and knew when he said what he said.
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          • JBEX
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-02-12
            • 23032

            #9070
            Originally posted by str
            I cannot speak for the trainer. I can only hope he did not see what happened when pulled up. If he did, and that was his response? Yikes.

            I surely would want for him to explain what he meant and knew when he said what he said.
            I watched the replay and saw him hit the horse after being pulled up..terrible thing to do to a young horse and a solid,veteran jock like paco should know that ..wouldn't have guessed you have to stay busy on a 2yo that opens up a sizeable lead but it does seem logical to me
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            • JBEX
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-02-12
              • 23032

              #9071
              realize I said I wouldn't mention liam's map's when they run but there is a 2yo maiden R6 gulfstream @ 20-1 ml that looks decent at that price to me .. #6 melle mel @ 3:04

              ..if I see something that I think is interesting from a betting standpoint might mention a LM but that would be the only reason to do it before a race



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              • Jellymancan
                SBR MVP
                • 03-09-20
                • 3682

                #9072
                Originally posted by str
                I couldn't agree more Jelly. It just seems that the typical punishment is not getting through to him. I feel he needs help. Mental help. And the racetrack IMO should owe that to all the riders, trainers and workers that come to work everyday. Rain, snow or shine. Before it is light out and work until the sun is setting.
                Can you fix the world? NO. But you can make a difference in some peoples lives. And somehow when we see people with a lot of talent in the sports field or the movies, heck, anything, we seem to just window dress the problem to appease the fans that support whatever the profession is. We want to be sure and look like we care. But the heck with that . Don't try to look like it, be like it. Do what is really needed. Help to make this jockey the person he probably wishes he could be. You should IMO never think you cannot learn anymore. And with that, we should not ever think we cannot help to teach or educate someone no matter their age or resume. All any person with a problem needs to do is WANT to fix it. Again, I feel the racetrack owes it to those that have dedicated their lives to the sport to try as hard as possible to help facilitate that help. Try and make it just a little better. One person at a time if necessary.
                I’m all for trying to help someone who is in need. Strong mental health advocate here and he might fit that area. Hopefully, if approached, he would acknowledge his faults and accept help. He has no place on the racetrack until he gets help.
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                • str
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-12-09
                  • 11530

                  #9073
                  Originally posted by JBEX
                  I watched the replay and saw him hit the horse after being pulled up..terrible thing to do to a young horse and a solid,veteran jock like paco should know that ..wouldn't have guessed you have to stay busy on a 2yo that opens up a sizeable lead but it does seem logical to me
                  You stay busy by resetting the bit, so you talk with your hands as well as your movements. Horses want to be talked to or led. They don’t want to have to think for themselves. That’s when they get in trouble. And Paco knows that. If he doesn’t, shame on him.
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                  • JBEX
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 01-02-12
                    • 23032

                    #9074
                    Originally posted by JBEX
                    realize I said I wouldn't mention liam's map's when they run but there is a 2yo maiden R6 gulfstream @ 20-1 ml that looks decent at that price to me .. #6 melle mel @ 3:04

                    ..if I see something that I think is interesting from a betting standpoint might mention a LM but that would be the only reason to do it before a race



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                    if you happened to look at the race i thought the LM did some running for a first attempt at a turf sprint ..stalking a lone front running debuter by wesley ward is not a good place to be and he wound up wiring the field @ 2-1

                    clement had 2 fts with the lower odds one going off at 4-1 and ridden by irad ..pretty much co 2nd choice .. both had big pedigrees and ultimately the other ridden by tyler came 2nd @ 13-1 (solid also < half length) . obviously irad on the lower odds one had something to do with it but doesn't $37 for $1 seem like a really nice exacta for this finish ??
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                    • str
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-12-09
                      • 11530

                      #9075
                      Originally posted by JBEX
                      if you happened to look at the race i thought the LM did some running for a first attempt at a turf sprint ..stalking a lone front running debuter by wesley ward is not a good place to be and he wound up wiring the field @ 2-1

                      clement had 2 fts with the lower odds one going off at 4-1 and ridden by irad ..pretty much co 2nd choice .. both had big pedigrees and ultimately the other ridden by tyler came 2nd @ 13-1 (solid also < half length) . obviously irad on the lower odds one had something to do with it but doesn't $37 for $1 seem like a really nice exacta for this finish ??
                      Yeah. Nice price on that exacta. The winner was out of gas and needed that wire to hurry up. Never switched leads like a lot of speedy babies will forget to do.
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                      • JBEX
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-02-12
                        • 23032

                        #9076
                        Originally posted by str
                        Yeah. Nice price on that exacta. The winner was out of gas and needed that wire to hurry up. Never switched leads like a lot of speedy babies will forget to do.

                        good to know in general and regarding that horse ..thanks str



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                        • str
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-12-09
                          • 11530

                          #9077
                          Originally posted by str
                          Yeah. Nice price on that exacta. The winner was out of gas and needed that wire to hurry up. Never switched leads like a lot of speedy babies will forget to do.
                          Originally posted by JBEX
                          good to know in general and regarding that horse ..thanks str



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                          Sure JBEX. When you look at pure sprinters and within them the fastest early speed of those, you need to see if the horse switches leads back to the right leg. In most cases, I am referring to the speed of the speed. Those are the horses you have to be sure will switch . When clear they might be able to get away with it but when pressed, if they do not typically switch leads that pressure will typically have them run out of gas in that run through the stretch.
                          Last edited by str; 12-06-24, 03:36 PM.
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                          • JBEX
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-02-12
                            • 23032

                            #9078
                            Originally posted by str
                            Sure JBEX. When you look at pure sprinters and within them the fastest early speed of those, you need to see if the horse switches leads back to the right leg. In most cases, I am referring to the speed of the speed. Those are the horses you have to be sure will switch . When clear they might be able to get away with it but when pressed, if they do not typically switch leads that pressure will typically have them run out of gas in that run through the stretch.
                            I was a little vague with my response..sorry.I meant specifically with the babies part of it with regards to switching leads..something good to know with that horse going forward for some value


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                            • JBEX
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 01-02-12
                              • 23032

                              #9079
                              couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f


                              remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36

                              R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)

                              uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
                              we've watched him before



                              demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05

                              R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
                              (by guess who)

                              finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start




                              neutral opinion on both for me
                              ..just pedigree things we follow





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                              Last edited by JBEX; 12-06-24, 07:56 PM.
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                              • batt33
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-23-16
                                • 5980

                                #9080
                                I Missed the race.... Part of a group that places wreaths on the tombstones of our Military heros... 4500 wreaths this year! If I was smart enough I would upload some pics! Pretty cool.... a lot of effort goes into just getting the wreaths together to be able put out...
                                here is a link from years ago.... look quick before it goes behind a wall! or just log in and out a couple of times!
                                OROVILLE &#8212; Debbie Wendell remembers the first time she saw the Christmas wreaths at Arlington National Cemetery.
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                                • batt33
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 12-23-16
                                  • 5980

                                  #9081
                                  And speaking of LM [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Entry Update[/COLOR]Caldera has officially been entered at Oaklawn for next Friday in that aforementioned 1 1/16-mile maiden special weight. He'll be the #3 among a field of eight carded as the day's second race. Post time is 12:58 p.m. CT.

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                                  • JBEX
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-02-12
                                    • 23032

                                    #9082
                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                    couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f


                                    remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36

                                    R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)

                                    uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
                                    we've watched him before



                                    demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05

                                    R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
                                    (by guess who)

                                    finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start




                                    neutral opinion on both for me
                                    ..just pedigree things we follow





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                                    and bookended by a 2yo army mule fts in R6 #1 army gal (4-1) part of an entry @ 2:07
                                    and the cigar mile R9 @ 3:35 ..start of a .50 p5 (R6) also ..my pick at a price in the latter is #8 pipeline (20-1) .. an excellent betting race
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                                    • JBEX
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                                      • 01-02-12
                                      • 23032

                                      #9083
                                      had an army mule winner in R4 @ laurel yesterday..susan's mule paid $6.20
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                                      • str
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-12-09
                                        • 11530

                                        #9084
                                        Originally posted by JBEX
                                        I was a little vague with my response..sorry.I meant specifically with the babies part of it with regards to switching leads..something good to know with that horse going forward for some value


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                                        Sure. Babies for sure but do remember that they can learn it and trust it from race to race to that can bite you in the butt sometimes if you are betting expecting no switch and they do.
                                        It can work well with a 3 yr. old that does not want to switch. Lite The Fuse was classic no switch leads horse. An Easy enough lead, could still win no problem. But heavy pressure? Hard to withstand that.
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                                        • str
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 01-12-09
                                          • 11530

                                          #9085
                                          Originally posted by JBEX
                                          couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f


                                          remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36

                                          R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)

                                          uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
                                          we've watched him before



                                          demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05

                                          R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
                                          (by guess who)

                                          finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start




                                          neutral opinion on both for me
                                          ..just pedigree things we follow





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                                          Avitor Gui

                                          Yep. Nice horse. Should run well.

                                          Can't pull up, the other one . No problem JBEX. I'll watch the replay afterwards.

                                          Thanks
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                                          • str
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 01-12-09
                                            • 11530

                                            #9086
                                            Originally posted by batt33
                                            I Missed the race.... Part of a group that places wreaths on the tombstones of our Military heros... 4500 wreaths this year! If I was smart enough I would upload some pics! Pretty cool.... a lot of effort goes into just getting the wreaths together to be able put out...
                                            here is a link from years ago.... look quick before it goes behind a wall! or just log in and out a couple of times!
                                            https://www.chicoer.com/2019/12/07/h...ille-cemetery/
                                            Oh man Batt.

                                            That is some sacred ground man.

                                            My dad hated anything to do with the war including going to Arlington Nat. Cemetery. We lived very close to it. He served in WW II , was wounded, but was able to continue to contribute when he was better. I've spoken about it before in here. But, he did not want to be buried there.

                                            My God, is that some solemn, sacred ground. Such a deep deep felling of respect and thanks to all those that are there. It's like nothing I can describe any better than I just tried to. It is breathtaking and deep. I am sure where you went is as well.
                                            All then respect in the world for you and all that do that work. I'm sure you feel that it is an honor. And of course it is, but many thanks for doing that .
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                                            • str
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-12-09
                                              • 11530

                                              #9087
                                              Originally posted by str
                                              Avitor Gui

                                              Yep. Nice horse. Should run well.

                                              Can't pull up, the other one . No problem JBEX. I'll watch the replay afterwards.

                                              Thanks
                                              Just pulled it up. Man, Brad Cox horse is a monster it looks like.

                                              But I see no reason that the 2 horse won't run well. Two turns, you never know.
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                                              • JBEX
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                                                • 01-02-12
                                                • 23032

                                                #9088
                                                Originally posted by str
                                                Just pulled it up. Man, Brad Cox horse is a monster it looks like.

                                                But I see no reason that the 2 horse won't run well. Two turns, you never know.
                                                yes he's a killer and the trainer on fire is putting it mildly ..I think the liam's map going to give a good account of herself and as you said never know on the stretchout..one other amazing thing ..5 are out of tapit mares and another is out of a mare by pulpit (tapit's sire) ..noticed over a long time including KB that he's a tremendous broodmare sire..one of the reasons besides being by uncle mo, that I showed you aviator gui
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                                                • JBEX
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                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                  • 23032

                                                  #9089
                                                  day keeps getting more interesting

                                                  aqu R3 #5 take home the cup (8-1) @ 12:39.. 2yo fts by LM and trained by rick dutrow..probably need a race but thought you'd like to know
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                                                  • Madison
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-16-11
                                                    • 6372

                                                    #9090
                                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                                    couple of interesting things in the big ny 2yo stakes races on saturday..both @ 9f


                                                    remsen stakes g2 @ 2:36

                                                    R7 #2 aviator gui (6-1)

                                                    uncle mo/tapit mare (kingsbarns combo)
                                                    we've watched him before



                                                    demoiselle stakes g2 @ 3:05

                                                    R8 #2 liam in the dust (10-1)
                                                    (by guess who)

                                                    finished a distant 2nd to the #1 muhimma (4-5) in her last start




                                                    neutral opinion on both for me
                                                    ..just pedigree things we follow





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                                                    R7 the 5 is a nice horse. Extending from 7 to 9 so??

                                                    R8 the 1 looks to be a beast. Also extending from 7 to 9. Few interesting breeding's, 4 Vino Rosso/Uncle Mo, 8 Into Mischief/Tapit.

                                                    Have to admit I'm a sucker for the young up and coming.
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                                                    • JBEX
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 01-02-12
                                                      • 23032

                                                      #9091
                                                      Originally posted by Madison
                                                      R7 the 5 is a nice horse. Extending from 7 to 9 so??

                                                      R8 the 1 looks to be a beast. Also extending from 7 to 9. Few interesting breeding's, 4 Vino Rosso/Uncle Mo, 8 Into Mischief/Tapit.

                                                      Have to admit I'm a sucker for the young up and coming.
                                                      R7 ..#5 dam sire is a strict sprint influence so that may be a little bit of a vulnerability

                                                      R8 yeah 1 is a beast but you never know going 2 turns till they do it ..nice bloodlines with all of them
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                                                      • JBEX
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                                                        • 01-02-12
                                                        • 23032

                                                        #9092
                                                        Originally posted by JBEX
                                                        and bookended by a 2yo army mule fts in R6 #1 army gal (4-1) part of an entry @ 2:07
                                                        and the cigar mile R9 @ 3:35 ..start of a .50 p5 (R6) also ..my pick at a price in the latter is #8 pipeline (20-1) .. an excellent betting race


                                                        scratched


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                                                        • JBEX
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                                                          • 01-02-12
                                                          • 23032

                                                          #9093
                                                          Originally posted by JBEX
                                                          yes he's a killer and the trainer on fire is putting it mildly ..I think the liam's map going to give a good account of herself and as you said never know on the stretchout..one other amazing thing ..5 are out of tapit mares and another is out of a mare by pulpit (tapit's sire) ..noticed over a long time including KB that he's a tremendous broodmare sire..one of the reasons besides being by uncle mo, that I showed you aviator gui
                                                          top 2 finishers in the remsen and demoiselle are out of tapit mares and the 3rd place finisher in the former is by tapit

                                                          aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
                                                          ..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more

                                                          liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1
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                                                          • JBEX
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                                                            • 01-02-12
                                                            • 23032

                                                            #9094
                                                            cigar mile


                                                            locked who i picked as a derby future early last year won in his 2nd start of the year..very impressive performance but didn't want to take at what I anticipated to be a short price(off 2-1)
                                                            ..probably be a big player next year
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                                                            • JBEX
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-02-12
                                                              • 23032

                                                              #9095
                                                              Originally posted by JBEX
                                                              top 2 finishers in the remsen and demoiselle are out of tapit mares and the 3rd place finisher in the former is by tapit

                                                              aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
                                                              ..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more

                                                              liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1
                                                              passed .. did finish 3rd


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                                                              • bozeman
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-11-09
                                                                • 2162

                                                                #9096
                                                                Originally posted by str
                                                                If anyone has any questions they would like to ask , I will do my best to answer them. While some answers might require opinion, I hope to answer as many as I can from a purely factual standpoint.
                                                                My time line of experience is from 1972-2001. From a hot walker to a trainer of a large stable, I saw and learned many things and will gladly share any knowledge I can with you.
                                                                Feel free to post any questions .
                                                                Best of Luck.
                                                                Hey boss - I think your post is from a while ago- if u still willing to answer please do! I would appreciate learning about how horse racing works from inside out.

                                                                some questions that interest me is: how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?

                                                                also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else? Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic - but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?

                                                                Thank u in advance!
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                                                                • str
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                                                                  • 01-12-09
                                                                  • 11530

                                                                  #9097
                                                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                  top 2 finishers in the remsen and demoiselle are out of tapit mares and the 3rd place finisher in the former is by tapit

                                                                  aviator gui ran a very professional race losing by the bob at the wire..
                                                                  ..save ground rail backstretch no room top of the stretch swung out wide to find room and just missed..sure str could elaborate more

                                                                  liam in the dust got caught being the lone stalker to the monster #1 (wired the field) ..not a good position to be in and gave it up at the quarter pole ..did manage to finish a distant 3rd in a 10 horse field @ 6-1
                                                                  Aviator Gui ran an excellent race. He lugged in shying from the right handed whip about the 1/8th pole but stopped doing so as soon as he was corrected. Did it cost him? Well, yeah, probably but that is always part of it. No fault from rider or horse IMO. Just racing stuff that happens. Looks like he was wearing a D bit, the mildest bit around, so maybe you switch to a leather prong or something that maybe gives the horse just a little pause to do that next time but again, he ran great and I am pointing out things that is not a fault, simply something that might make him just a little better next time. Or, ride him left handed, meaning start left handed , then right handed if necessary. Just little things. All in all, he ran great.


                                                                  Liam In The Dust ran fine. Good job there to hang on for 3rd. 24/48 and relaxed for the winner was more than enough for her to win. Nice race for the 2nd horse but the winner was the winner pretty much all the way around from what I saw.
                                                                  Last edited by str; 12-08-24, 09:23 AM.
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                                                                  • JBEX
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 01-02-12
                                                                    • 23032

                                                                    #9098
                                                                    Originally posted by str
                                                                    Aviator Gui ran an excellent race. He lugged in shying from the right handed whip about the 1/8th pole but stopped doing so as soon as he was corrected. Did it cost him? Well, yeah, probably but that is always part of it. No fault from rider or horse IMO. Just racing stuff that happens. Looks like he was wearing a D bit, the mildest bit around, so maybe you switch to a leather prong or something that maybe gives the horse just a little pause to do that next time but again, he ran great and I am pointing out things that is not a fault, simply something that might make him just a little better next time. Or, ride him left handed, meaning start left handed , then right handed if necessary. Just little things. All in all, he ran great.


                                                                    Liam In The Dust ran fine. Good job there to hang on for 3rd. 24/48 and relaxed for the winner was more than enough for her to win. Nice race for the 2nd horse but the winner was the winner pretty much all the way around from what I saw.
                                                                    good to know about the lugging in with AG .. understand it's not an uncommon thing but considering the race was decided by a bob good chance he might've won if he didn't..will be fun following his path next year..not surprisingly with that pedigree distance shouldn't be a problem if he gets to the derby


                                                                    have to think a 6.5 -7f race off that effort would be perfect for liam in the dust..still qualified for a 1st level alw race so see where she winds up..even a mile wouldn't be a bad fit as that's one turn at gulfstream


                                                                    thanks for the feedback str
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                                                                    • JBEX
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 01-02-12
                                                                      • 23032

                                                                      #9099
                                                                      army mule filly..GP R10 #1 be here now (10-1) @ 4:49
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                                                                      • str
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                                        • 11530

                                                                        #9100
                                                                        Originally posted by bozeman
                                                                        Hey boss - I think your post is from a while ago- if u still willing to answer please do! I would appreciate learning about how horse racing works from inside out.

                                                                        some questions that interest me is: how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?

                                                                        also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else? Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic - but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?

                                                                        Thank u in advance!
                                                                        13 years, 5 months, 29 days and hopefully many more sir. I'm happy to help. Why?

                                                                        Because the most asked question to me about horse racing is "What do I miss most about the game"?

                                                                        The answer is: The people in it.

                                                                        And while most of that was meant for everyone I met along the way, it is also means the fans. Because the game is way to complex to give a few stock answers, I try to answer the specific question with all honesty and to the best of my ability.

                                                                        So do try at your leisure to sift through this long and winding thread and if you need any further explanation, just copy and paste it and I will do my best to clear things up.

                                                                        So let's answer these without a ton of detail but happy to supply more wherever you might want me to.


                                                                        Q. how do horses get ready for racing? Do they travel directly to the race on the day before they race or do they arrive a few days prior to acclimatize to the new place and get a couple runs on a track they would be racing on?

                                                                        A. This depends on the type of race and other things. But let me try and give a few examples. The top horses, the best of the best, will typically arrive at the track they are going to race on at least a few days before the race. In the high end races, a week or even two prior. I'm talking about the Ky. Derby, Breeders Cup, etc.
                                                                        But when it comes to everyday racing, some horses are stabled at the track that is running while others are maybe a hour + or - away. They will typically van there the morning of , or afternoon for night racing . Is there a home field advantage like in other sports? Yes, but it is not so much that it should prevent you on playing the horse of your choice. As a routine handicapper, I would not consider that in the vast array of information you need to decipher.


                                                                        Q. also on British sites I saw that trainers have license only for one district often - does that mean that horse owner would have to drive that horse to that county and then drive it to races somewhere else?


                                                                        A. No. It is the same format in the USA. If you are stabled and typically race in a state, you will be licensed and insured for that state. If you ship to a different state, you need to be licensed and insured in that state as well. Each is their own entity. I typically had 4,5,6 licenses every year so I could run primarily in Md. but could opt to run a horse by shipping in that day, or maybe a couple of days before but that was rare. In my case, I was typically licensed in Penn., W. Va. Delaware, , Va., New Jersey and maybe N.Y. Typically a couple of days prior to if the race was say 4 or more hours away. But an hour or two is typically best for the horse to make it one long day as they can take time to acclimate in a new stall and shipping early by a day or so would become detrimental to the horse both mentally and physically in some cases.

                                                                        Q.
                                                                        Seems like for some horses that would be stressful to travel so much that’s my logic

                                                                        A. Yes it certainly can be. Thus, the logic I wrote above.


                                                                        Q. but the county license for jockeys is what I am trying to understand- and also does smth like that exist in USA and Australia as well or can a trainer train anywhere in the country in USA or Australia?


                                                                        A. I am sure that it does exist elsewhere. Each state will have it's own licensing procedures. Often times, I could apply for my license a few states away but before the race, I would fly or drive up and having already submitted my paperwork, I would need to get fingerprinted and get a photo license that I needed prior to race time and display or wear when entering the paddock area, stable area, or other restricted areas for horsemen only.

                                                                        Hope that helps and hope we hear from you again.

                                                                        It was my pleasure.
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