NHL debating on ending shoot outs.Going 4on 4 in overtime.

mike1234 · 08-19-10, 08:47 PM

I thought overtime was 4on4 now and then a shootout - no?

SaviorTebow · 08-19-10, 08:52 PM

Regular season OT is 4on4, playoffs is still 5on5. I do think the shootout has run its course as well. I say overtime should be 10 minutes 4on4, and if it ends in a tie, it ends in a tie. Who cares. 2 points for a win, 1 point for OT loss, and 1 point for a tie.

Brock Landers · 08-19-10, 09:02 PM

fuk ties

jgray · 08-19-10, 10:00 PM

I'm confused. What's the proposal? As another poster said they already play 4 on 4 for 5 minutes before a shootout. Are they going to play 4 on 4 longer? Just drop the shootout? I need some more here.

Jericholic · 08-19-10, 11:07 PM

I love shootouts, I really hope they keep them.

unusialsusp5 · 08-19-10, 11:27 PM

what the nhl needs to do is get down to 24 teams. then end the shootout and play sudden death ot for 10 minutes 4-4 if still tied 3-3 for 5 more. if it ends in tie so be it. fans will get their moneys worth. actually they wouldn't because the ticket prices are too high. but it would cut down on ties and people would be able to understand the standings better.

Miley Cyrus · 08-19-10, 11:59 PM

Just go back to the old rules.

chachi · 08-20-10, 12:56 AM

call me old-fashioned, but should nearly go back to old rules: 20min sudden death OT, 5x5, tie if no goals, no consolation/gift point for OT loss

oh yeah, and reinstate the fuggin 2 line pass rule while they're at it !

Miley Cyrus · 08-20-10, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by chachi

call me old-fashioned, but nearly back to old rules: 20min sudden death OT, 5x5, tie if no goals, no consolation/gift point for OT loss

oh yeah, and reinstate the fuggin 2 line pass rule while they're at it !

That's my biggest beef with the new rule changes. What other sport rewards a team for losing? F*ck Bettman!

chachi · 08-20-10, 01:44 AM

A relative of mine played in the NHL 11 seasons, has five rings and his name on Lord Stanley's chalice four times, and was the first American to be drafted in the 1st round. He basically lost interest after they decided to allow a 2 line pass, created the OT shootout, and generally dicked around with the rules.

While I thoroughly enjoyed watching my beloved Hawks finally get their mits on the Cup this year, it is not the game I grew up with and (foolishly) aspired to playing in my youth.

blittydeuce · 08-20-10, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by chachi

A relative of mine played in the NHL 11 seasons, has five rings and his name on Lord Stanley's chalice four times, and was the first American to be drafted in the 1st round. He basically lost interest after they decided to allow a 2 line pass, created the OT shootout, and generally dicked around with the rules.

While I thoroughly enjoyed watching my beloved Hawks finally get their mits on the Cup this year, it is not the game I grew up with and (foolishly) aspired to playing in my youth.

Your relative is Brian Lawton?

SaviorTebow · 08-20-10, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by chachi

call me old-fashioned, but nearly back to old rules: 20min sudden death OT, 5x5, tie if no goals, no consolation/gift point for OT loss

oh yeah, and reinstate the fuggin 2 line pass rule while they're at it !

One problem with that, if the games can end in a tie again, and the NHL takes away the "bitch" point, you will see both teams playing with 4 guys at the blue line and clogging up the neutral zone hoping for a scoreless OT so they can escape with a point, especially if its a non-conference game where it doesn't matter if the other team gets points or not.

Deuce · 08-20-10, 02:35 AM

Sounds great.

chachi · 08-20-10, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by blittydeuce

Your relative is Brian Lawton?

No, Rick Chartraw, he was 10th pick in the 1974 draft, no American before that had ever been chosen in the first round at all. Lawton was the first American to be #1 pick, in 82 or 83 if memory serves me right, but as far as I know he never won anything and was sort of a bust.

Originally posted by SaviorTebow

One problem with that, if the games can end in a tie again, and the NHL takes away the "bitch" point, you will see both teams playing with 4 guys at the blue line and clogging up the neutral zone hoping for a scoreless OT so they can escape with a point, especially if its a non-conference game where it doesn't matter if the other team gets points or not.

I know ... only other option would be the old-fashioned pond hockey approach of "play until someone scores" but can't see the NHLPA agreeing to what potentially could equate to 3-4-5 OT period regular season games.

jjgold · 08-20-10, 05:19 AM

Shootouts killed the game

Its not hockey

chachi · 08-20-10, 05:24 AM

Agreed ...

Poogs · 08-20-10, 06:55 AM

You guys are out of your minds. Since the rule changes tv ratings have been up, as well as revenue and ticket sales. I've played hockey and been fan my whole life and I like the rule changes. More offense is a good thing in regards to the 2 line rule. It encourages break aways and odd man rushes.

As for the shootout, who doesn't love a shootout? If there had to be a change, I wouldn't mind seeing what we used to do for tourneys as kids. 5 minutes of 4 on 4, if not goal 5 minutes of 3 on 3, and so on down to 1 on 1.

Where is it reported that the nhl is thinking about changing anything at all though?

chachi · 08-20-10, 06:58 AM

Google 'NHL rule change trials' for a few pages worth of articles, they are testing things at the camp ...

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:23 AM

The NHL is not debating getting rid of the shootout. Show me a link where it says the NHL are debating getting rid of it. They are debating tweaks to the overtime period and shootout. They are not debating getting rid of the shootout.

Once again, I have to come into these hockey threads to straighten you fine fellas out.

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:24 AM

And just to clarify and oint out that I, PuckOff am not a fan or supporter of the shootout.

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by chachi

A relative of mine played in the NHL 11 seasons, has five rings and his name on Lord Stanley's chalice four times, and was the first American to be drafted in the 1st round. He basically lost interest after they decided to allow a 2 line pass, created the OT shootout, and generally dicked around with the rules.

Bullshit!!!

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by chachi

A relative of mine played in the NHL 11 seasons, has five rings and his name on Lord Stanley's chalice four times, and was the first American to be drafted in the 1st round.

My god!!!

He has 5 rings, but has his name on the cup 4 times. LOL

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Shootouts killed the game

Its not hockey

JJ,

I was about to give you a few points for this, but I don't think we're there yet. In time son, in time.

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 08:35 AM

The league needs to contract 4 teams. Too many 4th liners playing on 3rd, 2nd lines so the leagues talent level is watered down.

NHL need to force Jr. aged players to play in the AHL for at least 1 year after they are drafted to help them further develop their skills. HOwever an NHL team can allow maybe 2 players to play on teh team straight out of JR. Also they shoudl allow teams to play Jr aged palyers a minimum 20 games and not 10 to allow them to send them back the Jr or the AHL without affecting their rookie status eligibility. This obviously is for contractual purposes.

Types · 08-20-10, 08:46 AM

If it ain't broke don't fix it, is my 2 cents

chachi · 08-20-10, 09:29 AM

Firstly, I didnt say they were contemplating killing off the shootout, I just said what I thought they should do.

Secondly ...

Originally posted by PuckOff

Bullshit!!!

Originally posted by PuckOff

My god!!!

He has 5 rings, but has his name on the cup 4 times. LOL

How many points you care to wager, or f*** that, cold hard cash my friend?

Put up or shut up.

adlai · 08-20-10, 09:31 AM

i prefer the shootout for regular season games.

chachi · 08-20-10, 09:33 AM

Shootout is an artificially engineered end to a match, it f's up hockey same as it does soccer ... should play until someone wins, period.

mrmarket · 08-20-10, 09:34 AM

I am indifferent. I hope they actually decide something concrete instead of flip flopping for ages though.

pavyracer · 08-20-10, 09:35 AM

They should play 4 on 4 but without goalies.

chachi · 08-20-10, 09:35 AM

Me too, but unfortunately Darth Bettman is still running the show

chachi · 08-20-10, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by PuckOff

Bullshit!!!

Originally posted by PuckOff

My god!!!
He has 5 rings, but has his name on the cup 4 times. LOL

Originally posted by chachi

How many points you care to wager, or f*** that, cold hard cash my friend?
Put up or shut up.

My 90 pts against 90 of yours? Or if you're so goddamn sure of yourself, offer me +1000 or something ...

PuckOff · 08-20-10, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by chachi

Firstly, I didnt say they were contemplating killing off the shootout, I just said what I thought they should do.

Secondly ...

How many points you care to wager, or f*** that, cold hard cash my friend?

Put up or shut up.

The guys was a BUM.....doesn't deserve to have even his initials on the cup. I hope he doesn't go around bragging htta he has rings and his name on the cup.

DrunkHorseplayer · 08-20-10, 09:53 AM

The NHL should play 4 on 4 the entire game with 10 minutes of sudden death; if no goal, call it a tie and give one point to each team.