How Is The $5,000 Pie Cut?

[laxdjock]

With The Prick bombing this week, we have a ton of people in the money, which got me thinking.....how does the 5k get split? Obviously the top scorers get more, but I wasn't sure how that is calculated.

[LLXC]

I think it's $5000 divided by points of all the participants who scored higher than the Prick. Then that number * points for each player. Say only 2 people won...one scored 4 and another scored 1. Then Prick had 0. $5000/5 points = $1000. $4000 to the person who scored 4 and $1000 to the person who scored 1.

[JerseyShop101]

This is my estimate (not official at all), if the Prick loses Monday night:

# people / PTS
10 5
23 3
4 2
46 1
2 0
34 -1
26 -3

145 (minus the mods)

Lets see if I'm pretty close (payouts will differ as mods don't collect).
I assign 1 pt for each of the 26 (-3s)
3 pts for each of the 34 (-1s)
4 pts each for the 2 (0's)
5 pts each for the 46 (1's)
6 pts each for the 4 (2's)
7 pts each for the 23 (3's)
and 9 pts each for the 10 (5's)

That gives me a total of 632. 632 divided into $5k is $7.88 per point.

5's would get 70.92
3's would get 55.16
2's would get 47.28
1's would get 39.40
0's would get 31.52
-1 would get 23.64
-3 would get 7.88

This is just an estimate based on the Prick losing his play on Monday night. Of course the people -1 and above want him to win.

[Boner_18]

I came up w/ similar numbers Jersey. I didn't take out employees and didn't run them after the late nfl game last night.

[Boner_18]

W/o taking out for mods I calculated the following approx. payouts if the Prick actually steps it up and wins MNF:

5 - 92
3 - 66
2 - 53
1 - 39
0 - 26
-1 - 13

I think that is right.

[jon13009]

It seems that the Prick is more of a money allocation nuisance than anything. Perhaps SBR should just distribute winnings solely based on handicappers results - not just on how bad the Prick makes his picks.

Last week, the Prick made a deliberately bad pick to screw the top handicappers. This week the Prick just made poor picks to - again - screw the good handicappers. 2 week ago, the Prick went 5-0 to once again screw the good handicappers.

Next year, I hope SBR decides to distribute winnings to those who get +3 points and above, and eliminate rewards for making picks that score less than +2 points. The Prick's choices should not matter if he scores less than +2 points.

Top handicappers should be rewarded for consistent efforts by expanding the season ending prize pool to the top 10 (not just the top 3.)

IMO, Winning a few bucks for making average (translated as 50% or less ATS efforts = scores of +2 or +1) or poor picks (scores of 0 and below) doesn't seem right, particularly when it penalizes good handicapping efforts (scores of +3 and above).

Right now, this contest should be renamed - "SBR's free money for mediocre to poor NFL handicapping contest."

Somehow, being rewarded for poor efforts and losing money once you actually get a good score (to the benefit of lesser scores/efforts - with the help of the Prick's poor picks) has diminished the thing significantly.

If the Prick makes good picks and screws people - fine.
This thing where the Prick makes poor picks and rewards people (mediocre to poor handicappers) is troubling.

In the end, I don't mind getting the money, and the contest is still one of the best NFL Handicapping available - but the contest just doesn't have the same intensity that it had last year.

[Mudcat]

Last week, the Prick made a deliberately bad pick to screw the top handicappers. This week the Prick just made poor picks to - again - screw the good handicappers. 2 week ago, the Prick went 5-0 to once again screw the good handicappers.

That doesn't make sense. The Prick has to put in his picks before the games start like the rest of us. Every pick can win or lose. He's not psychic.

You are suggesting The Prick has complete control over picking winners and can win or lose at will. He should be a hell of a rich guy if that was the case.

Maybe you saw his little shtick where he was asking for bribes for picking the right game. That was not intended to be taken seriously. It was a bit of humor.



I generally agree with your points about flaws in this year's rules. There is a lot to be said for that.

But you start edging into the area of paranoia when you frame it like something is being done intentionally to screw with you.

[konck]

Thats funny to say that imean really the Prick loses almost all his monday nights and I dont think its because he wants to hahahhahaha I mean I wait for his pick to make sure im not on the same side as him, if I am....well i bet the total instead

[laxdjock]

I like the "+2 idea" or something to that effect. I'm not great at this, but I'd rather people win more when they do well.

[Dark Horse]

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[blackbart]

i wish i was as good as the prick, apparently he knows the outcome of the games far in advance.
seriously i think it is a great format.

[jon13009]

That doesn't make sense. The Prick has to put in his picks before the games start like the rest of us. Every pick can win or lose. He's not psychic.

You are suggesting The Prick has complete control over picking winners and can win or lose at will. He should be a hell of a rich guy if that was the case.

Maybe you saw his little shtick where he was asking for bribes for picking the right game. That was not intended to be taken seriously. It was a bit of humor.



I generally agree with your points about flaws in this year's rules. There is a lot to be said for that.

But you start edging into the area of paranoia when you frame it like something is being done intentionally to screw with you.

Sorry, if I didn't make my point clear and framed it improperly.

I agree, the Prick is not a psychic and not trying to screw with the contestants - generally- because, yes, it is just as hard to make losing picks on purpose. And, yes, my anger at the Prick's apparent effort to "lose" last week's game has biased me.

I am saying that this contest is flawed by rewarding average to poor handicapping (scores of +2 or lower) by the contestants - if the prick makes his typical awful picks.

I am simply suggesting that the contest reward good handicapping next year by increasing the number of season ending winners from 3 to 10 (hell even 15), and stop the payouts to people who score less than +2.

I am sure those who are playing would rather reap higher rewards for good handicapping (scoring +3 and above) versus receiving a diluted payout by making lousy picks (less than 50% ATS = scores of +2 or below) - if they beat the Prick.

Let the prick have his day by making his good picks count, but don't allow the Prick's poor picks to reward poor handicapping by the contestants who score below +2 points.

How about extra bonuses (+$50) to all contestants if the prick goes -5 with a loss in the MNF game?

[laxdjock]

PITT +3 is looking good.....

[Dark Horse]

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[sharktank1]

Going 4-0

Think about it. It's really about two choices:

Would you rather be paid once or twice a season for going 4-0? And pick up a nice chunk of 5K.

But that still will not guarantee a huge payoff by going 4-0 like I did earlier in the season,

When Mr. Prick also went 4-0 that week!


sharktank1

[Dark Horse]

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[hhsilver]

W/o taking out for mods I calculated the following approx. payouts if the Prick actually steps it up and wins MNF:

5 - 92
3 - 66
2 - 53
1 - 39
0 - 26
-1 - 13

I think that is right.

I think the calculation might have to take a score of -2 into account even though nobody ended at -2.

if so, I get (approx)

5 - 83
3- 62
2 - 52
1- 42
0- 31
-1 - 21

My count may be a bit different from yours because I threw out a couple employee scores, but any difference from that would be negligible.

We'll have the answer about -2 when the results are posted.

[konck]

Look have you ever been in a contest where 190 players are happy because after 7 weeks most of us got over 100 cash (real money) come on... this is (the way it stands) the best tourny I have ever been in. The week i go 4-0 the prick just misses his BB or i would have gotten 1k. Folks really it doesn't get any better than this.

[rm18]

I say it partially because I am at the top, but I think more of the pie should go to the season end prize, 5k a week is great but too much luck on when you have a good week, I get kind of mad being +16 and some guys with negative have more cash than me. I think at least 20k should go to season, and cut it down to 4k a week.

[jon13009]

This contest actually rewards quite a few people picking 50% or less ATS at the expense of the people making good picks that week.

Is it any wonder the people at the top feel ripped off where people going 1-2 are being rewarded?

Hell, if the prick lost the MNF game, people going 1-3 would have made money this week.

This contest has lost something, and the flaw of rewarding mediocre to poor handicapping efforts has something to do with it.

+3 and above = 145 winners. (good efforts)
+2,0,-1,-2 = 146 winners. (mediocre to poor picks)

[Dark Horse]

I like all the changes that were made, except the weekly payout structure.

The Prick has to go 4-0 to win. That makes it a parlay style contest. If you agree with that, then it would also make sense to pay contestants in a manner that corresponds to parlays, so a round robin pay structure would be best. This would only pay 4-0, 3-1, and 2-2 contestants, by the way...

[alta]

My opinion for next years BTP payouts, would be that no matter what the Pricks score is, to get a piece of the weekly pot, contestant would at least have score of 0 or above. Eliminate those contestants who beat the Prick, but have a minus score for the week. This would result in a bigger share of the weekly pot for those who score 0 and above.

[rm18]

they still have not updated the season standings

[mr. leisure]

no money for last week yet

[rm18]

no, not like we get paid for 5 weeks anywaysm but I wouldlike to see where I'm at without doing it all by hand

[laxdjock]

no, not like we get paid for 5 weeks anywaysm but I wouldlike to see where I'm at without doing it all by hand

Ditto. I figured it'd be posted by now.

[mr. leisure]

It`s up , I got $45.15 for +1

[laxdjock]

Another week where a crap score (-1) cashes....UGH.

What a waste of a 4-0.

Yes, I'm bitter.

[laxdjock]

Quick and dirty #'s (I may be a few pts off here and there)

114 players in the money

Pts....Rank....Players....Total Points
1..........-1...........39................39
2.........+1...........31............... .62
3.........+2.............1.............. ...3
4..........+3...........30.............. 120
5..........+4.............1............. ...5
6..........+5...........12.............. .72

301 total pts

$16.61/pt

-1: $16.61
+1: $33.22
+2: $49.83
+3: $66.44
+4: $83.05
+5: $99.66

If we only do +2 and over:

1 +2 1 1
2 +3 30 60
3 +4 1 3
4 +5 12 48

112 total pts

$44.64/pt

Ouch.

[hhsilver]

i think you neglected the scores of -2 and 0 even though nobody got these scores.

as a result , the $ for a perfect 4-0 (5 pts) will be(if I am correct) 4 times the $ for a score of -1, not 6 times as you have it,

same thing happened in week 9 . prick had -3, nobody had -2.

http://www.sbrcontests.com/website/WebForms/ContestsBTPViewDetailsStandings.aspx

[Boner_18]

Another week where a crap score (-1) cashes....UGH.

What a waste of a 4-0.

Yes, I'm bitter.

That's 2 in a row 4-0 for me... I'm bummed but hey free money is free money.

[laxdjock]

Has anyone done the figures for this last week?

[Willie Bee]

Mmm, pie

[Dark Horse]

Has anyone done the figures for this last week?

4-0 earns 70 bucks.