VIP Sports - Baseball Bankroll Contest - Sunday, April 30th - Picks Here

**Illusion** · 04-30-06, 01:04 AM

Please reread the rules because I have made some changes to the them.

You may bet sides and totals.
Three plays max per day.
If you post an incorrect line it will be marked as a loss.
A minimum of 50 plays is required to clain a season ending prize.

**Illusion** · 04-30-06, 01:07 AM

04/30/2006
13:05 901 NY METS (-110)
902 ATLANTA (Even) 8.5 (-120 O)
(100 U)

04/30/2006
13:15 905 HOUSTON (-105)
906 CINCINNATI (-105) 9.5 (105 O)
(-125 U)

04/30/2006
13:35 907 PHILADELPHIA (-105)
908 PITTSBURGH (-105) 9.5 (105 O)
(-125 U)

04/30/2006
14:15 909 WASHINGTON (+180)
910 ST. LOUIS (-200) 9.5 (-110 O)
(-110 U)

04/30/2006
14:20 911 MILWAUKEE (+128)
912 CHICAGO CUBS (-138)

04/30/2006
16:05 913 LOS DODGERS (-123)
914 SAN DIEGO (+113) 7.5 (-120 O)
(100 U)

04/30/2006
16:05 915 ARIZONA (-108)
916 SAN FRANCISCO (-102) 8 (-110 O)
(-110 U)

04/30/2006
13:05 917 MINNESOTA (+160)
918 DETROIT (-180) 9 (-105 O)
(-115 U)

04/30/2006
13:05 919 TORONTO (+180)
920 NY YANKEES (-200) 9.5 (-110 O)
(-110 U)

04/30/2006
13:15 921 BOSTON (-185)
922 TAMPA BAY (+165) 9 (-105 O)
(-115 U)

04/30/2006
13:35 923 SEATTLE (-107)
924 BALTIMORE (-103) 9 (-120 O)
(100 U)

04/30/2006
14:10 925 OAKLAND (-140)
926 KANSAS CITY (+130) 9 (-105 O)
(-115 U)

04/30/2006
15:35 927 CHI WHITE SOX (+105)
928 LAA ANGELS (-115) 9 (-110 O)
(-110 U)

04/30/2006
20:05 929 TEXAS (+118)
930 CLEVELAND (-128) 10 (100 O)
(-120 U)

**xxx** · 04-30-06, 04:45 AM

Philadelphia (-105)
921 Boston (-185)
Ny Yankees (-200)

**asabace** · 04-30-06, 12:02 PM

926 Kansas City +130
928 LA Angels -115
930 Cleveland -128

**scottyy11** · 04-30-06, 02:56 PM

928 Laa Angels (-115)

**Ganchrow** · 04-30-06, 08:03 PM

929 TEXAS +118

**Winston Smith** · 04-30-06, 08:04 PM

Texas +118

(Sorry, Ganchrow, only fair. )

**RickySteve** · 05-01-06, 06:45 PM

What happened to the "no editing" rule?

**Winston Smith** · 05-01-06, 06:55 PM

It was never enforced throughout the month, even when the mod in charge of grading edited his posts (to take some off the board.) Nor were those that were told to post lines and failed given losses. IMO, if you haven't enforced the rules the first 29 days, pretty difficult to start on the last day. (Both of the last two posts were edited, one just did it fast enough to not have it register on-screen. So my position relative to Ganchrow would be unchanged.)

If MrX was given $200 and I $100, I could live with it. But only with the addendum that the rules are enforced verbatim henceforth.

**MrX** · 05-01-06, 08:04 PM

Just out of curiosity, Winston, in what way was your post edited. 6:11 was past post, right?

I'm not accusing, but I didn't notice any other posts that were edited after the games they referred to went off. But then again, I didn't pay very close attention.

Not a big deal, I'd just like to know what happened.

**Ganchrow** · 05-01-06, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Winston Smith

It was never enforced throughout the month, even when the mod in charge of grading edited his posts (to take some off the board.) Nor were those that were told to post lines and failed given losses. IMO, if you haven't enforced the rules the first 29 days, pretty difficult to start on the last day. (Both of the last two posts were edited, one just did it fast enough to not have it register on-screen. So my position relative to Ganchrow would be unchanged.)

If MrX was given $200 and I $100, I could live with it. But only with the addendum that the rules are enforced verbatim henceforth.

I had realy wanted to let this one go but as long my name's already been mentioned twoce in this thread I might as well include my 2c.

Anyhow, there's a gigantic difference between 1) making an erroneous post and within a matter of seconds (all prior to the game's start I might add), correcting the error and 2) waiting for a game to be begin, allowing a couple of outs to be recorded, changing the pick on the already in-progress game, and then making a totally different pick on the same already in-progress game.

I'll make it clear. I like Winston. I like hime a lot. I think he's a good and honorable guy. I don't think he was purposely trying to cheat anyone. However, I do think that a cornerstone of any gambling forum contest is that picks under no circumstances can either be submitted or altered after the first pitch of a game has been thrown (let alone after two outs have been registered). Past posting, whatever the rationale, and whatever the circumstances is unacceptable. Period.

Winston holds that he past posts only so that "[his] position relative to Ganchrow would be unchanged". Does this imply that there exists a right to maintain one's position relative to another contestant that somehow supersedes the rules of the contest itself? I argue no. Once a game begins all wagering on that game ends. Without exception.

To make my motives clear -- I personally forgo any and all claim to any April winnings. It's not about the money but rather about the principle. As far as I'm concerned Winston can keep the winnings. He had an excelent month. (How he chooses to handle it with MrX is between the two of them.) Nevertheless, I do feel very strongly that Winston's score should be adjusted downwards by the 1.18 units he gained from yesterday's past post. If someone places a bet after a game has already started, then that bet is void. That's not just a "VIP Baseball Bankroll Contest" rule. It's a fundamental online gambling rule.

**MrX** · 05-01-06, 10:43 PM

If the pick was changed after the game started, I think all would agree that the pick can't be counted. Is anyone in charge of this thing aware of this?

**Illusion** · 05-02-06, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by MrX

If the pick was changed after the game started, I think all would agree that the pick can't be counted. Is anyone in charge of this thing aware of this?

Agreed, I will make the appriate changes.

**Winston Smith** · 05-02-06, 03:48 PM

Just to clarify, unless there was a delay of several minutes on my ESPN feed, the game had not started when I edited my post. (This doesn't make a fallacy of Ganchrow's assessment of what you can and can't do at a book, but I just want it clear that no pitches had been thrown.)

Also, I will restate my plea that the rules be universally enforced throughout the rest of the contest. I would not have even a second thought about this if I hadn't spent 29 days watching violation after violation go by without consequence, only to be strung up myself on the last day of the month.

Originally posted by MrX

I'm not accusing, but I didn't notice any other posts that were edited after the games they referred to went off. But then again, I didn't pay very close attention.

Not a big deal, I'd just like to know what happened.

No, I can't say that I saw any edited after the game started, either. But the rules say "edited posts." No reference to a grace period, prior to first pitch or otherwise. (I do see the distinction, though. The rules just don't expound upon it.)

Others posted games without lines, again without consequence (even in light of no less than 3 direct warnings by Illusion to do so).

Hence my objection to being the single example over a 30-day period of verbatim, or Hell, any enforcement of the rules.

Like you, I was checking in prior to game times throughout the day to see what would keep me in a good position. I saw the over, posted; then saw the change, changed mine.

That’s my stance. No ill will towards any of you, either way. Good luck the rest of the season. (I’ll be gunning for you.

)

**MrX** · 05-02-06, 05:41 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Winston. Good luck to you, too.