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  • Chance Harper
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 07-20-07
    • 788

    #1
    NCAAF Betting: NC State hosts Cincinnati
    NCAAF Betting: NC State hosts Cincinnati
    The Big East has taken a big bite out of college football bettors' wallets the first two weeks of the 2010 season, cashing just three of 16 lined games so far. The Cincinnati Bearcats will try and get the conference back on track when they travel to Raleigh for a Thursday meeting against the North Carolina State Wolfpack. The Bearcats are two-point underdogs to the 'Pack, with ESPN providing the midweek telecast.

    We knew the Big East was going to have a hard time this year. But 3-12-1 ATS after two weeks? That takes suckage to a whole new level.

    Too bad, because the Cincinnati Bearcats had a nice little program going there. They won all 12 of their regular season games last year (6-6 ATS), led by one of the very best offenses in the nation – No. 4 in the FBS according to Brian Fremeau’s efficiency stats. Brian Kelly handily won his third straight Big East Coach of the Year award.

    But he won’t win a fourth; Kelly left Cincinnati in December to take over the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and the ‘Cats lost the Sugar Bowl 51-24 to the Florida Gators (-12) in his absence.

    We’ve seen this movie before. The Louisville Cardinals (Bobby Petrino) and West Virginia Mountaineers (Rich Rodriguez) lost their head coaches; the Cardinals fell apart under Steve Kragthorpe, but the Mountaineers have managed to hold their own with Bill Stewart at the controls. Which path will the ‘Cats take under Butch Jones?

    It looks rather shaky at the moment. Cincinnati is one of four Big East teams to start the season at 0-2 ATS, losing 28-14 to the Fresno State Bulldogs (-2½ at home) and beating the Indiana State Sycamores (an FCS team from the Missouri Valley) 40-7 as a 44-point home chalk. The ‘Cats were up just 12-7 on the Sycamores at halftime.

    Let’s not put this all on Jones, however. Cincinnati also has a new starting quarterback in junior Zach Collaros, who played very well last year in relief of Tony Pike. But his development curve threatens to be cut off by an offensive line that lost its two most important players to graduation, center Chris Jurek and left tackle Jeff Linkenbach. Without their protection, Collaros was sacked eight times by Fresno State, and the win over Indiana State was the result of 263 yards of offense on the ground.

    “We’re going to run the football when we can,” Jones told the Cincinnati Enquirer after beating the Sycamores.

    This Bearcats team in transition is making the short turnaround to face the North Carolina State Wolfpack on Thursday (ESPN, 7:30 p.m. ET) in Raleigh. The ACC has had its ups and downs so far this year, but the Wolfpack are one of two teams at 2-0 SU and ATS – the Maryland Terrapins are the other. The Pack’s victims thus far: the Western Carolina Catamounts (+33) of the FCS Southern Conference, and the UCF Knights, who lost 28-21 on Saturday as 3-point home faves against the college spread.

    While Cincinnati’s program appears to be taking a step back, the Wolfpack is looking for a breakthrough in its fourth season under Tom O’Brien, who previously led the Boston College Eagles to a high of No. 18 in the AP rankings in 2005. Here’s what the Pack have done under O’Brien:

    2007: 5-7 SU, 5-7 ATS
    2008: 6-7 SU, 9-2-1 ATS
    2009: 5-7 SU, 5-6-1 ATS

    Last year was supposed to be a big one for N.C. State, but the offensive line was once again at fault. The Wolfpack actually finished No. 11 overall in offensive efficiency, but only No. 92 in rushing (120.9 yards per game) and No. 24 in passing (272.9 yards per game). On top of that, the defense was a mess without linebacker Nate Irving, who missed the season after suffering a broken leg and a collapsed lung in an automobile accident.

    Corrections have been made. The offensive line is better, although still in need of improvement after allowing three sacks by the Catamounts. But the Wolfpack ran for a respectable 134 yards against UCF, and the defense (anchored in the middle by Irving) held the Knights to 95 yards rushing while creating five turnovers. These are very good signs for the Pack as they prepare to host the Bearcats; the betting odds have swung heavily toward the home side, moving from Cincy -1 at the open to N.C. State -2 at press time.
  • The Madcap
    SBR MVP
    • 07-03-10
    • 2808

    #2
    Originally posted by Chance Harper
    NCAAF Betting: NC State hosts Cincinnati
    The Big East has taken a big bite out of college football bettors' wallets the first two weeks of the 2010 season, cashing just three of 16 lined games so far. The Cincinnati Bearcats will try and get the conference back on track when they travel to Raleigh for a Thursday meeting against the North Carolina State Wolfpack. The Bearcats are two-point underdogs to the 'Pack, with ESPN providing the midweek telecast.

    We knew the Big East was going to have a hard time this year. But 3-12-1 ATS after two weeks? That takes suckage to a whole new level.

    Too bad, because the Cincinnati Bearcats had a nice little program going there. They won all 12 of their regular season games last year (6-6 ATS), led by one of the very best offenses in the nation – No. 4 in the FBS according to Brian Fremeau’s efficiency stats. Brian Kelly handily won his third straight Big East Coach of the Year award.

    But he won’t win a fourth; Kelly left Cincinnati in December to take over the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and the ‘Cats lost the Sugar Bowl 51-24 to the Florida Gators (-12) in his absence.

    We’ve seen this movie before. The Louisville Cardinals (Bobby Petrino) and West Virginia Mountaineers (Rich Rodriguez) lost their head coaches; the Cardinals fell apart under Steve Kragthorpe, but the Mountaineers have managed to hold their own with Bill Stewart at the controls. Which path will the ‘Cats take under Butch Jones?

    It looks rather shaky at the moment. Cincinnati is one of four Big East teams to start the season at 0-2 ATS, losing 28-14 to the Fresno State Bulldogs (-2½ at home) and beating the Indiana State Sycamores (an FCS team from the Missouri Valley) 40-7 as a 44-point home chalk. The ‘Cats were up just 12-7 on the Sycamores at halftime.

    Let’s not put this all on Jones, however. Cincinnati also has a new starting quarterback in junior Zach Collaros, who played very well last year in relief of Tony Pike. But his development curve threatens to be cut off by an offensive line that lost its two most important players to graduation, center Chris Jurek and left tackle Jeff Linkenbach. Without their protection, Collaros was sacked eight times by Fresno State, and the win over Indiana State was the result of 263 yards of offense on the ground.

    “We’re going to run the football when we can,” Jones told the Cincinnati Enquirer after beating the Sycamores.

    This Bearcats team in transition is making the short turnaround to face the North Carolina State Wolfpack on Thursday (ESPN, 7:30 p.m. ET) in Raleigh. The ACC has had its ups and downs so far this year, but the Wolfpack are one of two teams at 2-0 SU and ATS – the Maryland Terrapins are the other. The Pack’s victims thus far: the Western Carolina Catamounts (+33) of the FCS Southern Conference, and the UCF Knights, who lost 28-21 on Saturday as 3-point home faves against the college spread.

    While Cincinnati’s program appears to be taking a step back, the Wolfpack is looking for a breakthrough in its fourth season under Tom O’Brien, who previously led the Boston College Eagles to a high of No. 18 in the AP rankings in 2005. Here’s what the Pack have done under O’Brien:

    2007: 5-7 SU, 5-7 ATS
    2008: 6-7 SU, 9-2-1 ATS
    2009: 5-7 SU, 5-6-1 ATS

    Last year was supposed to be a big one for N.C. State, but the offensive line was once again at fault. The Wolfpack actually finished No. 11 overall in offensive efficiency, but only No. 92 in rushing (120.9 yards per game) and No. 24 in passing (272.9 yards per game). On top of that, the defense was a mess without linebacker Nate Irving, who missed the season after suffering a broken leg and a collapsed lung in an automobile accident.

    Corrections have been made. The offensive line is better, although still in need of improvement after allowing three sacks by the Catamounts. But the Wolfpack ran for a respectable 134 yards against UCF, and the defense (anchored in the middle by Irving) held the Knights to 95 yards rushing while creating five turnovers. These are very good signs for the Pack as they prepare to host the Bearcats; the betting odds have swung heavily toward the home side, moving from Cincy -1 at the open to N.C. State -2 at press time.
    As an NCSU alum let me first say I hope we crush Cincy. But having witnessed Pack football firsthand since the Dick Sheridan era, I can't in good conscience suggest anybody bet in favor of NC State. Philip Rivers' freshman year was my freshman year, and man, was that a great time to be in the stands each week at Carter-Finley.

    Well except the game against FSU that first year, when we had started the season 6-1, (the only loss a near win at top 5 Clemson) were ranked in the top 25 for the first time in years, and the #6 Seminoles came in and routed us by 40.

    And then there was the loss to a crappy UNC team at home the next season when we out played them the whole game. And the second half lead we blew to Clemson at the next home game. And the loss to Maryland when we couldn't catch a perfectly thrown ball.

    And then there was his junior year when we started 8-0, were ranked #10 in the country, and lost to unranked Georgia Tech at home because of a late fumble.

    And his senior year when we lost to Maryland up a TD and trying to run out the clock only to have TA McClendon fumble the ball and have the frickin Terps recover it and drive down and score.

    And since Rivers left, NCSU is only something like 21-21 at home. And at least 5-6 of those wins came against teams like Wofford, Murray St, and Gardner-Webb. Plus we lost one to Akron. It's been rather pathetic.

    The Pack loves to show flashes of brilliance, get our hopes up, and then dash them.

    I'm a State homer, and I'd fade them every game if I could ever bring myself to bet against them, but I just can't. But I'm telling you, be weary of the Pack, we love to play to the level of our competition, whether it's a top 5 club, or an FCS team, and that makes us a nightmare to gamble on a lot of the time. The best strategy to is to take us as a dog and fade us as a fav, but even that can get you into trouble.
    Last edited by The Madcap; 09-14-10, 11:54 AM.
    No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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    • Money
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 08-28-07
      • 663

      #3
      Nice posts. I like NC STATE in this game.
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      • The Madcap
        SBR MVP
        • 07-03-10
        • 2808

        #4
        Originally posted by Money
        Nice posts. I like NC STATE in this game.
        I just hope the football Gods do too.
        No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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        • WorkHorse
          SBR MVP
          • 08-22-10
          • 2185

          #5
          Cincy ranked 11th in total offense last year but only 92nd so far this season. (447 ypg down to 313 ypg) That's one big drop off especially when you consider Fresno State and Indiana State were the first two games of the season.

          North Carolina State is only one of six teams that have yet to turn the ball over. The Wolfpack had five takeaways while playing a pretty good Central Florida team last week.

          I've got NC State winning by a touchdown.
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          • TodaysLocks
            SBR MVP
            • 09-06-10
            • 1450

            #6
            Hey guys I ran this through my system and it gave me a "trap" rating when tested.

            Here is why I believe it did this. Historically a -2.5 spread has favored the home team. History shows they win over 52% of the time.

            However, most observations have Cincy as a likely favorite and pulling the %. This does not add up, which is why I recommend passing on this game.
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            • THEGREAT30
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-04-08
              • 8970

              #7
              This is definitely a trap game, but who knows what team they are trying to entice you to bet on. When all else fails I go with the gifted athlete which is NC State QB Russell
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              • Nova32212
                SBR Sharp
                • 03-18-10
                • 310

                #8
                Ncaaf 2010

                It's either NC State or no play.

                NC State is playing better football right now than Cincy.

                Since this will be my first chance to get a look at these two teams.

                I'm going small if I decide to wager on this one, because it's still early in the season.
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                • superbeing
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 09-03-10
                  • 16

                  #9
                  I don't know about this game, tough to call, however I will take NC State solely because they are playing at home....
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                  • louis.ana
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 02-09-09
                    • 359

                    #10
                    Cincinnati wins by 10 points
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                    • hubie69
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-16-10
                      • 7329

                      #11
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                      • Nova32212
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 03-18-10
                        • 310

                        #12
                        Ncaaf 2010

                        Cashed in on NC State last night. It was a good win.

                        The game would have been a blowout if NC State hadn't turned the ball over so many times.

                        Cincy will get better as season goes along, but NC State was clearly the better team last night.

                        Both teams still have a lot work to do.
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