It's Not Hard To See Why Pags Has Chosen To Leave...

[BuddyBear]

This is a huge huge loss.......... I rather lose every bet than not have Pags11 post on here.

[ShamsWoof10]

I am very curious as to why Pags had his PM's taken away... I am also very surprised the mods haven't solved this yet... I expected you guys to have taken care of this by now...

Come on guys how about some hussle... At the very least you should give backers of Pags a reason why this is not being taken care of...

[pags11]

lies, lies and more lies...unfortunately information being filtered to the top of SBR is not accurate at all...I'm glad that I have my private messaging back, but to even have to go through this is ridiculous...I'd be embarrassed if I were SBR...

[Bill Dozer]

Soliciting referral bonuses from board members is not allowed. Each user will be given a 1st warning for doing so before getting their PMs back. Pags11 is welcome to share what we have sent him and offered to send him regarding asking for referrals.

[tblues2005]

Bill,

You guys need to reach some type of an agreement with pags here since he has been here a long time and just settle this once and for all. If it is a referral problem that he had then I do understand but he has been here an awful long time. I know you are trying to stop the spamming in the pm's here and sure agree with how you are doing this, I would send warning out to everyone in their pm boxes about this so we all know about it. That is all I ask for.

[pokernut9999]

This is a huge huge loss.......... I rather lose every bet than not have Pags11 post on here.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[kdmfox]

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

It's far from the stupidest I ever heard but ranks up there.

[SBR Lou]

Soliciting referral bonuses from board members is not allowed. Each user will be given a 1st warning for doing so before getting their PMs back. Pags11 is welcome to share what we have sent him and offered to send him regarding asking for referrals.

That's fair enough. It seems Pags did not share this detail with us, perhaps because he figured it may have been tougher to elicit sympathy.

[pags11]

well since Bill has opened the can of worms I will give full disclosure...I was accused (after stopping posting my plays, and obviously after SBR went through every one of my private messages the because of my "poor behavior") of contacting 21 individuals about them giving me a referral bonus...I don't deny during my time here that I may have initiated contacted with a handful of individuals and I don't deny that in my thread as a way of giving back if someone wanted to throw a referral bonus my way I would take it...I also don't deny posting in the players talk forum the books that I play with and recommending them to others...ultimately, that led posters to initiate contact with me about giving me a referral bonus (which most of the time I offered to split back with them)...however, in no way did I initiate contact with 21 different individuals as SBR accuses me of doing...

the way I see things is this: SBR is getting hard up on money and is taking away any referral bonuses between posters, which is fine with me...I make my money handicapping games and if SBR has (I wasn't aware until yesterday this was "illegal" on SBR) or is implementing a policy I will abide by that...my issue with SBR and their covert activity is this: they are very upset with my comments about the way things have been run in the sports forums, the college football forum in particular and are looking for a way to "get back" at me for my poor behavior...

some of you may know that I run a business in real life and I deal with business situations on a daily basis where I draw criticism...true businessmen work with their clients to find solutions, rather than deny the obvious and push their top performers away...maybe there will come a day when SBR is run this way, but I see this all the time with mid-twenty to mid-thirty year old business owners, as their pride tends to get the best of them...keep fighting for what's right guys and everyone knows I'm no criminal and what I have contributed to this board over the years...

[TheBigbull300]

Pags I have been on SBR for a little while but have read for much longer I dont understand how this has got so far out of hand. I think you are one of the best cappes here, I cant even think that SBR would not go out of there way to fix what is wrong. I hope you find a way to feel better about SBR and re think putting your picks here beacuse I myself have made money with them. But that is not why i am saying something. I am saying something because I feel cappers of all levels need a place to talk about games and bets, get feelings from others and maybe help each other make the right call. For SBR not to want to protect a board that has that goal in mind I think is very bad.

Pags keep up the good work Maybe we can find a way for all of us to be happy on this board. Not everyone has made a bet that has won every time. So for the people who ripped you for losing a few bets i hope they find out one day that we always need others input even if we dont agree

Just my two cents

Bull

[imgv94]

Wow.. Seriously Wow

[bigboydan]

well since Bill has opened the can of worms I will give full disclosure...I was accused (after stopping posting my plays, and obviously after SBR went through every one of my private messages the because of my "poor behavior") of contacting 21 individuals about them giving me a referral bonus...I don't deny during my time here that I may have initiated contacted with a handful of individuals and I don't deny that in my thread as a way of giving back if someone wanted to throw a referral bonus my way I would take it...I also don't deny posting in the players talk forum the books that I play with and recommending them to others...ultimately, that led posters to initiate contact with me about giving me a referral bonus (which most of the time I offered to split back with them)...however, in no way did I initiate contact with 21 different individuals as SBR accuses me of doing...

the way I see things is this: SBR is getting hard up on money and is taking away any referral bonuses between posters, which is fine with me...I make my money handicapping games and if SBR has (I wasn't aware until yesterday this was "illegal" on SBR) or is implementing a policy I will abide by that...my issue with SBR and their covert activity is this: they are very upset with my comments about the way things have been run in the sports forums, the college football forum in particular and are looking for a way to "get back" at me for my poor behavior...

some of you may know that I run a business in real life and I deal with business situations on a daily basis where I draw criticism...true businessmen work with their clients to find solutions, rather than deny the obvious and push their top performers away...maybe there will come a day when SBR is run this way, but I see this all the time with mid-twenty to mid-thirty year old business owners, as their pride tends to get the best of them...keep fighting for what's right guys and everyone knows I'm no criminal and what I have contributed to this board over the years...

Pags, I'm not going to engage into a war here...So I will just say my peace and be done with it.


I've moderated for 5 different site owners over my years, and I must say that only thing that they all agree on is not to steal each others referrals. It's an unwritten rule that each and everyone of them honors!

Wouldn't you be mad to if somebody was stealing from your sites income revenue?

Think about it for a while before you put your little spin to it and show everyone else just how dumb you really are sounding in this thread.

[Bill Dozer]

well since Bill has opened the can of worms I will give full disclosure...I was accused (after stopping posting my plays, and obviously after SBR went through every one of my private messages the because of my "poor behavior") of contacting 21 individuals about them giving me a referral bonus...

Actually, after the initial report, "hook me up" and "referral please" was searched. You are free to disclose those and the messages from SBR you are quoting.

some of you may know that I run a business in real life and I deal with business situations on a daily basis where I draw criticism...true businessmen work with their clients to find solutions, rather than deny the obvious and push their top performers away...

The forum does not have business with posters and posters will not use the board to do business. As you know, the forum is one of the many free services SBR offers. The only thing asked of posters is to be respectful of fellow users, our staff and our terms of the service.

[pags11]

bigbull,

thanks for posting...that was extremely to the point and very appreciated...I too hope things get cleaned up and SBR gets off my back...

imgv,

no frickin' kidding bud...

dan,

unfortunately you and "dumb" tend to go together quite frequently, so I don't mind you chiming in at all...I truly wasn't aware that by recommending a book to someone and them offering to give me a referral, that SBR considered me "stealing" from them (by the way the last time I checked, I've hit a higher percentage along with a higher profit margin than any other handicapper on this board-tout or no tout-, yet I've not asked for a dime)...but yeah me getting a couple referral bonuses out of the deal is just completely unacceptable, right?...often times in business one's reputation (such as myself) is a much better way of recommending a product to someone, rather than to have a place like SBR give out ratings and hope people click through their ads...that is a pretty strong choice of words for someone of so little background...my other question becomes to you that you guys were well aware before that I had been contacted about referral bonuses (and occasionally contacted another member), yet I was never told of this so-called "policy"?...again, this is only because I ripped people like yourself about not policing my thread and guys like Bill and Sean took it personally..."stealing", that's a good one...

let's take this a bit further...are you then saying SBR's sole purpose is to make money?...I believe a business model like SBR's (which I thought was to educate people about the industry and provide a forum where people could share information about gambling and sports handicapping- all why having it properly moderated) should be to attract and educate first and ultimately they will make money because of it...but to come after someone like me for such bogus reasons and such bad timing is a reflection of extremely poor character...

[SBR Lou]

This is getting old. What more do you want from the forum? Isn't it enough to be able to rip most everyone affiliated with SBR for how many days, in how many different threads now? Try doing that over at some other forums and see how long you last, what we have in SBR is ultimately a good thing.

This all started because some people bother you. Newsflash, some people bother everyone. Use the 'report post' button, a moderator shouldn't have to prioritize their duties to best accommodate you. The rest of us drones must report posts manually, instead of sending pm's out for your referral needs, send pm's out to your legions of asskissers who want to ride your picks in your thread - tell them to start reporting if its truly beneath you.

[greek]

i bother no one til they attack me first

loser!!!!!!!!!!!if you dont like mess dont start mess 11

Greek, Shark, and others come to mind.

[greek]

get a life !!!!!!!!!!

i would rather lose every bet? you dont believe that yourself ,i understand the loss , but hes not god ,somebody else will come along , you gotta think positive !!!!!!!!!!! gl greek

This is a huge huge loss.......... I rather lose every bet than not have Pags11 post on here.

[durito]

i would rather lose every bet? you dont believe that yourself ,i understand the loss , but hes not god ,somebody else will come along , you gotta think positive !!!!!!!!!!! gl greek

Are you older than 13?

[imgv94]

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[ShamsWoof10]

Well I would assume they would get pis*ed about the refereal thing since that is how SBR makes their money... It's a little touchy but I can understand SBR's point...

Even still I think SBR and Pags need to get this resolved because this is not the original point to begin with... It's an unwritten rule and Pags will remember next time... Now both of you get this taken care of....

I am sure both sides are a little emotional about their point of view and both sides have a point... Once the emotions dies down some I believe that reason (judging by the parties involved) will take over and this will be solved...

[tacomax]

I don't deny during my time here that I may have initiated contacted with a handful of individuals and I don't deny that in my thread as a way of giving back if someone wanted to throw a referral bonus my way I would take it...

So don't make enough from your "business" and your handicapping so you have to resort to touting the forums for referral bonuses. You are classy. Real classy.

the way I see things is this: SBR is getting hard up on money and is taking away any referral bonuses between posters, which is fine with me...I make my money handicapping games and if SBR has (I wasn't aware until yesterday this was "illegal" on SBR) or is implementing a policy I will abide by that...my issue with SBR and their covert activity is this: they are very upset with my comments about the way things have been run in the sports forums, the college football forum in particular and are looking for a way to "get back" at me for my poor behavior...

Hard up for money? Have you seen their accounts? Or are you just talking a pile of crap yet again.

Neither are SBR upset about your comments. They don't give a flying **** about you or your ego. The sooner you deal with that the better.

[imgv94]

So don't make enough from your "business" and your handicapping so you have to resort to touting the forums for referral bonuses. You are classy. Real classy.



Hard up for money? Have you seen their accounts? Or are you just talking a pile of crap yet again.

Neither are SBR upset about your comments. They don't give a flying fυck about you or your ego. The sooner you deal with that the better.

Taco is right SBR doesn't give a fυck about pags, and I think thats wrong.

[imgv94]

[pags11]

crazyl,

if you had any knowledge on the gaming forum industry (the college football and college basketball forums in particular), you'd know that I'm a respected poster at covers, therx, eog and cappingthegame (just to name a few)...so do some homework next time before you open up your trap...I can hang with the big boys because I am a big boy...

shams,

you also have brought up some excellent points...the referral bonus issue was only brought up after I complained about the moderators not doing their jobs...do they have some validity to their issue regarding the referral bonuses? possibly...the timing was just very poor...

on a side note...you guys ever have a kid in your class growing up who sat with the girls on the playground because he wasn't athletic enough to get involved with the rest of the kids that actually played games?...yeah, often times a kid like this had some real insecurities and often times peed his pants in the middle of class (and occasionally would even shit himself)...he was also the kind of person so starved for attention he'd be over the top with all of his comments and drama...remind you of anyone here on the forum?...(hint: look up past imgv's last two posts)...

[mark wahlberg]

stop being so cocky pags its a turnoff there are other good cappers here to

[SBR Lou]

crazyl,

if you had any knowledge on the gaming forum industry (the college football and college basketball forums in particular), you'd know that I'm a respected poster at covers, therx, eog and cappingthegame (just to name a few)...so do some homework next time before you open up your trap...I can hang with the big boys because I am a big boy...

Whoever said that
Big boys don't cry
You say you never
Shed a tear

Well, listen
That's a lie
We're all
Defenseless
When it comes to pain

I said boys and girls
Alike
Yeah,
We're all the same

It's my party
I'll cry if I want to

Big boys don't cry
As if nothing
Seems to matter

Big boys don't cry
Then why do i
Big boys don't cry
Because nothing

In this world
Ever matters
Big boys don't cry

[mark wahlberg]

luv pags but his cockiness is turning me off i dont want to see him leave but i thought he was more humble dont get me wrong he is nice guy but he is acting like he is some god or something i wont commit suicide if he leaves it wuld suck if he left but life goes on

[pags11]

crazyl,

good to see that you have poetry to fall back on if handicapping doesn't work out...nice work... ...

mark,

when you become as good as me, you can afford to be cocky...sorry if it turns you off, you can just skip through pags' plays the next time you see them, that is unless you want to actually make money...

[hhsilver]

on a side note...you guys ever have a kid in your class growing up who sat with the girls on the playground because he wasn't athletic enough to get involved with the rest of the kids that actually played games?...yeah, often times a kid like this had some real insecurities and often times peed his pants in the middle of class (and occasionally would even shit himself)...he was also the kind of person so starved for attention he'd be over the top with all of his comments and drama...remind you of anyone here on the forum?...(hint: look up past imgv's last two posts)...

Sorry, Pags, but to me it seems like you are the one starved for attention.

You run a business , you spend a lot of time cappin both football and basketball, you , according to you, have lots of women to be with. I really don't understand how you have time for all the posting you do here.
I think most of us, if we had as much success as you in the above 3 areas, would not waste our time here when we could be better spending it running a business, researching for a continual flow of successful picks, and pleasing hot women.

About the kid who hung with girls. Maybe he was the secure one. Speaking from my past as captain and mvp of hs football team, I must say that I was the insecure one who craved attention and wasn't as confident around girls as everyone thought. I should have spent more time with them on the playground in grade school instead of being such a jock in the making.

[goodfella]

pags is right sayin he can afford to be cocky though...i'm new to this but i've already noticed that he's no joke..pags why dont you open your own website/forum

[bradleysnyder]

My PMs were taken off after I responded to a threat from another member. The mod team here is a joke.

i bet this comment had a lot to do with why he is G.O.N.E

[Umfhockey]

Mark, I couldn't agree with you more. For all of the talk of how great a businessman Pags is; his grammar leaves something to be desired. If you were truly a successful businessman you would realize that in order to win an argument you have to speak eloquently and not come across like a whiner. You have been carrying on about how the world is out to get you for several weeks now and continue to claim that you are going to leave unless you are treated better.
I personally think theshark is a tool who has never offered anything of value...That esp. goes for his lock of the year on Kansas last week (way to pick with your heart and not your head). However, I ignore him as do most other people in this room.
Pags, you have taken the approach that the world is out to get you and so every negative comment you need 5-10 positive comments to make yourself feel better. Business is not about feeling good it is about doing a good job... People in here respect you and respect your picks but if you need your ego stroked every 20 minutes you are too soft skinned for any forum.
Get over yourself. If you are going to leave, leave and be done with it. If you are going to stay, stay and stop bitching.
Act like a mature human being and you will be treated like one, act like a baby (such as theshark) and people will begin to ignore your posts and disregard you.

[mastercapper]

This shit is getting old. So what if you won a few games PAGS!!!!!!! Quit your whining and get back to the drawing board. I've never used ANY of your picks and i never would. In fact, i think i've forgot more about handicapping than you'll ever know. So quit trying to get attention and grow up.

[DrLuck]

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I don't blame you a bit pags for your actions... Your a "class act" and getting treated like shit...Sure miss your insight...Wish people would grow up and get rid of some of these scums...

[tblues2005]

I sure missed pags this week on his insights, I wish people would grow up also and not try to run off the good people that come here.