i couldnt believe my under 48 looked alive with 8 minutes left....then the 2nd half play on gators would have cashed if they got their 3rd onside try. thats just unlucky to miss all 3....turn the page on that game.
i was going to ask you if the sec's performance has you hesitant on bama, but i believe you're with notre dame in that one....i am, and may just leave my -9.5 play for 3u...planned on adding but may just let it go. should probably just hammer the under..the only other super low total (tcu msu) cashed easy...
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suicidekings
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#108
Originally posted by Dexter
i couldnt believe my under 48 looked alive with 8 minutes left....then the 2nd half play on gators would have cashed if they got their 3rd onside try. thats just unlucky to miss all 3....turn the page on that game.
i was going to ask you if the sec's performance has you hesitant on bama, but i believe you're with notre dame in that one....i am, and may just leave my -9.5 play for 3u...planned on adding but may just let it go. should probably just hammer the under..the only other super low total (tcu msu) cashed easy...
Like I said before, one of my most important concepts for making smart plays is to not bet on big spreads because the further we get from pk, the less predictable the outcome is, in my opinion.
I think ND is absolutely good enough to win this game, so laying -9.5 isn't all that appealing. I think I might actually play the ND ML for a little bit and see what happens, or maybe an ND/Under parlay/tease. Something like that.
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Dexter
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#109
Originally posted by suicidekings
Like I said before, one of my most important concepts for making smart plays is to not bet on big spreads because the further we get from pk, the less predictable the outcome is, in my opinion.
I think ND is absolutely good enough to win this game, so laying -9.5 isn't all that appealing. I think I might actually play the ND ML for a little bit and see what happens, or maybe an ND/Under parlay/tease. Something like that.
in BCS games, 6 times (coming into this season) there have been double digit favorites - 5 times the favorite has covered....this year that angle is 1-1 with bama pending...
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suicidekings
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#110
Originally posted by Dexter
in BCS games, 6 times (coming into this season) there have been double digit favorites - 5 times the favorite has covered....this year that angle is 1-1 with bama pending...
That stat doesn't carry much weight with me. Illinois lost as a +13.5 dog in the 2007 Rose Bowl, but were only a 9-4 team. UConn in 2010 was only an 8-5 team and lost as a +14 dog in the Fiesta Bowl. Cincinnati played the Sugar bowl in 2009 without Brian Kelly and had absolutely fallen apart defensively in the last month of the season, giving up 35 ppg in their final 4.
Even ND haters aren't going to call this year's Irish team comparable to these squads. I think there's a LOT of opinion in the placement of this line, and the game will be a close one.
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suicidekings
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#111
Teaser: Wildcats +14.5 / Over 67.5 (+100) x1|
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Dexter
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#112
Originally posted by suicidekings
That stat doesn't carry much weight with me. Illinois lost as a +13.5 dog in the 2007 Rose Bowl, but were only a 9-4 team. UConn in 2010 was only an 8-5 team and lost as a +14 dog in the Fiesta Bowl. Cincinnati played the Sugar bowl in 2009 without Brian Kelly and had absolutely fallen apart defensively in the last month of the season, giving up 35 ppg in their final 4.
Even ND haters aren't going to call this year's Irish team comparable to these squads. I think there's a LOT of opinion in the placement of this line, and the game will be a close one.
whats the opinion you feel is in a line that rose from 7.5 to 10 when the underdog is an undefeated team? i here what you're saying about an 8-5 BCS team being more likely to get mauled. but whats the tell in this line?
to me - if anything - books are looking to entice the notre dame nation with a double digit spread.
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suicidekings
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#113
Originally posted by Dexter
whats the opinion you feel is in a line that rose from 7.5 to 10 when the underdog is an undefeated team? i here what you're saying about an 8-5 BCS team being more likely to get mauled. but whats the tell in this line?
to me - if anything - books are looking to entice the notre dame nation with a double digit spread.
Maybe, but one sided action several days before the game isn't dangerous. They have more moves to make yet.
I really don't think the books want to hold a big position on what will ultimately be one of the most heavily bet games of the year, between two teams that everyone either loves or hates. There's a ton of bias here. That -7.5 is a phantom line, not available anywhere that matters once the matchup was actually set, and never for any reasonable limit.
Currently, bettors are putting all their effort into getting the best of the number surrounding the 10, without asking if that's a reasonable number for the game. For now the books can take as much ND money as they can get and drop the line a little on gameday to pull in the Bama money. I think they're positioned very well where they are right now, avoiding the 3 and the 7 and sitting around a number that's unlikely to get them middled, and if they have an opinion on the game, it's not reflected in the line as much as their need to play against the large volume of action they'll be receiving.
I think ND keeps it close, with the game ending by a margin of 3-4, one way or the other, and that covering the -10 is very unlikely.
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suicidekings
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#114
LIVE (8-0 Ducks, 1Q 9:06)
Wildcats ML (+381) x1
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Dexter
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#115
does kstate usually huddle?
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suicidekings
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#116
Originally posted by Dexter
does kstate usually huddle?
Depends. Mostly not. They're very well coached and the playbook is fairly simple as it's heavily zone-read.
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jinxpro13
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#117
who you on tonight? been rough so far dude
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suicidekings
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#118
Originally posted by jinxpro13
who you on tonight? been rough so far dude
So rough. Everything about this game says A&M to me, so Oklahoma will probably win. That's pretty much how the postseason has gone for me...
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Dexter
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#119
im sold on notre dame....going to see how i do tonight before i book it. definitely influenced by guys like you, twizzle and a few others who i respect. the more i look into the game, notre dame did play a very tough schedule and the sec has looked human in this bowl season.
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jinxpro13
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#120
Originally posted by suicidekings
So rough. Everything about this game says A&M to me, so Oklahoma will probably win. That's pretty much how the postseason has gone for me...
you ripped the regular season don't worry keep your head up. were right on with A&M
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Dfjay9
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12-04-08
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#121
Originally posted by Dexter
im sold on notre dame....going to see how i do tonight before i book it. definitely influenced by guys like you, twizzle and a few others who i respect. the more i look into the game, notre dame did play a very tough schedule and the sec has looked human in this bowl season.
That's our plan. We need to hide our superhero nature by losing sometime
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Dexter
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#122
Originally posted by Dfjay9
That's our plan. We need to hide our superhero nature by losing sometime
what do you mean "our"? you went to alabama or an sec school?
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Dfjay9
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#123
Originally posted by Dexter
what do you mean "our"? you went to alabama or an sec school?
USC
Sunseri no picks in the last 9 games I think was the stat? No more!
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suicidekings
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#124
Originally posted by jinxpro13
you ripped the regular season don't worry keep your head up. were right on with A&M
I think next year I need to rank the bowl games like I do each week during the season. Pick the ones that meet my selection criteria and then completely ignore the rest. There's a handwritten note on the wall by my desk of the teams I had shortlisted back in early December as good bowl plays, and that list would have given me a solid winning bowl season. Got too greedy.
Thanks, buddy. Looking forward to the 2013 season already
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suicidekings
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#125
Originally posted by Dexter
im sold on notre dame....going to see how i do tonight before i book it. definitely influenced by guys like you, twizzle and a few others who i respect. the more i look into the game, notre dame did play a very tough schedule and the sec has looked human in this bowl season.
Preseason, Phil Steele had ND's schedule as the toughest anyone played this season. Even with Michigan/MSU/USC not quite being the powerhouses they were expected to be, it's still a top 20 schedule. It's going to be really interesting to see how Saban attacks ND in this game. I have to think they're going to see a mix of running Lacy right at the ND front 7 and quick screens outside, grinding out yards early.
My #1 criticism of AJ McCarron is that he doesn't handle pressure well. He normally gets such good protection from his OL that it really shakes him when a defense can get hands in his face and put him on the ground early like Georgia and TAMU did. It'll be critical for the Irish to get to him early.
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jinxpro13
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#126
suicide, how does this game not go under? id be very surprised if a team hit 21 points here maybe im just too stoned
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suicidekings
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#127
Originally posted by jinxpro13
suicide, how does this game not go under? id be very surprised if a team hit 21 points here maybe im just too stoned
Agreed. Lots of punts and a run-heavy offense on both sides seem pretty likely. The question is, knowing how hard it is to run against both of these defenses, how aggressive are Kelly/Saban going to be in their playcalling? It wouldn't be crazy for McCarron to take a couple of shots downfield early to help soften up what will likely be a stacked box. I also think that 45 days off is probably going to have a negative effect on the durability of the respective defensive lines over the course of the game.
I think I like the 1H Under 20.5 a little more than the full game total.
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suicidekings
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#128
Teaser: Notre Dame +17.5 / Under 48 (-120) x2
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jinxpro13
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#129
Originally posted by suicidekings
Teaser: Notre Dame +17.5 / Under 48 (-120) x2
with you on this teaser bro.
had to threw in ML at those odds
now im considering under alabama TT... just not sure if i wanna tie up so much of my bankroll
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suicidekings
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#130
Originally posted by jinxpro13
with you on this teaser bro.
had to threw in ML at those odds
now im considering under alabama TT... just not sure if i wanna tie up so much of my bankroll
I'm actually considering adding Bama -2 / Under 48 for the same amount, shooting for a big window. Seems like the smart move to me. I want my money on a competitive game, not taking a side, I think.
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suicidekings
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#131
Originally posted by suicidekings
Teaser: Notre Dame +17.5 / Under 48 (-120) x2
Teaser: Alabama -2 / Under 48 (-120) x2
penetrate it. I think the U48 is golden, on the strength of a slow, run-heavy first half of the game. FGs, punts, etc. Just like we talked about.
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Dexter
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#132
Originally posted by suicidekings
Agreed. Lots of punts and a run-heavy offense on both sides seem pretty likely. The question is, knowing how hard it is to run against both of these defenses, how aggressive are Kelly/Saban going to be in their playcalling? It wouldn't be crazy for McCarron to take a couple of shots downfield early to help soften up what will likely be a stacked box. I also think that 45 days off is probably going to have a negative effect on the durability of the respective defensive lines over the course of the game.
I think I like the 1H Under 20.5 a little more than the full game total.
sounds like kelly may try a no huddle sometimes to rein-act the a&m game where bama struggled...
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Dexter
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#133
Originally posted by suicidekings
Teaser: Alabama -2 / Under 48 (-120) x2
penetrate it. I think the U48 is golden, on the strength of a slow, run-heavy first half of the game. FGs, punts, etc. Just like we talked about.
did you ever feel like notre dame was going to win straight up and changed your mind?
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suicidekings
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#134
Originally posted by Dexter
sounds like kelly may try a no huddle sometimes to rein-act the a&m game where bama struggled...
That would be smart. I think we're going to see ND running right at the Alabama defensive front early in the game, however I don't see either team getting rolling offensively too quickly to start as the long layoff will hinder the offensive precision more than the defense. For the no-huddle to be productive, the offense needs to get at least one decent gain of 5+ on 1st/2nd down or they'll be trying to hurry on 3rd and medium/long with a smaller playbook and run themselves right out of their possession. It's really common for a team to try to run a no-huddle early and have it backfire, when really they need to be executing a few plays early to get their confidence rolling and force the defense to cover a broader area. Golson in particular would benefit from a more metered starting pace that gets ramped up once they reach their own 40 or so.
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suicidekings
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#135
Originally posted by Dexter
did you ever feel like notre dame was going to win straight up and changed your mind?
I played a parlay of ND moneyline and the Under 40.5, purely for SBR points (which I can trade in for cash at various online books).
I actually think the Irish are live to win the game if they have the ball bounce their way a couple of times, but from a value perspective, the +10/10.5 is much more valuable. I can't count the times in the past that I've undercut my profits in games where I loved the spread and decided to put something on the ML as well (ie: 3u on +10, 1u on +300) only to see my team lose by a FG. Two units in profit instead of four if I had just played the spread for 4u. I feel like this is one of those games, where I have a ton of faith in the spread and I'd rather just stick with it. Last game of the year, I don't want to sweat it out.
As it stands, the teasers I have going should be looking good for a fairly wide range of scores in this game. All I really need is neither team to completely shit the bed on defense and for both teams to run the ball a lot and the U48 should be good. From that point I should be able to buy out of one of them if I want with relative ease, trusting the Under to hit.