0-13-1 in my first 14 hands playing optimal strategy

[stefan084]

well the threads title says "optimal strategy" right? not, let me guess when the software will screw me then play "non optimally" to supposedly confuse it

[captrobey]

That was the face down card. K was showing.

It cracks me up every time someone points out that you should have played a hand a different way. They do not get that if you look at the hands Dealer ALWAYS has a 3-1 at least ratio of 20 or 21 to what you will have. No matter what you do it will turn out like that. The only chance you have sometimes is to play unconventional. At GTbets it works there at times but it is a risk. But it will only work for awhile then the program catches on and there will be a delay or a disconnection and it will change it.

Like if the dealer is showing a face card and the other card is a 6 it will almost always show the face card first. After losing so many hands by going over i would hold against a face card and that seems to work at times where the dealer will go
over. Then there will be a delay or an error . When you reconnect dealer will start getting non-stop 20snd 21s. I think i posted that error on here somewhere i got so fed up i wanted to see if others had it happen too.

[stefan084]

my bad

[Slanina]

don't you stand against a 6? (2nd hand down)

That was the face down card. K was showing.

[stefan084]

don't you stand against a 6? (2nd hand down)

[yisman]

a lot of 21s at bookmaker casino

22:31:39	Player Hand 20 K♥ 4♦ 6♠ Hit, Stand 50.00 -50.00 Dealer Hand 21 2♥ Q♠ 9♠ Hit, Stand	50.00	-50.00
22:31:36	Player Hand 24 K♥ 4♠ T♥ Hit, Bust 50.00 -50.00 Dealer Hand 16 6♥ K♥ Stand	50.00	-50.00
22:31:32	Player Hand 21 8♠ 3♦ J♦ Double 100.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 21 J♦ 2♦ 9♣ Hit, Stand	100.00	0.00
22:31:28	Player Hand 19 4♥ 5♥ T♥ Double 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 21 Q♥ 6♦ 5♦ Hit, Stand	100.00	-100.00
22:31:24	Player Hand 20 K♣ K♥ Stand 50.00 50.00 Dealer Hand 25 Q♦ 6♦ 9♣ Hit, Bust	50.00	50.00
22:31:19	Player Hand 21 A♠ 6♠ A♣ 3♠ Hit, Hit 50.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 21 3♦ K♦ 8♣ Hit, Stand	50.00	0.00

[ThaWoj]

I won 10k on bodog bj back in 2007 and cashed out. Also turned $36 into 2500 on 5Dimes bj in 2010. Ran up to 40,000 points on sbr like 3 years but lost it all playing (I have an epic thread on here somewhere). I also ran $250 on party poker bj up to 12000 in 2007 (6 months before the bodog 10k) but lost the whole 12000 the next night. I have many other 4 figure wins from small deposits but massive losses as well. I only have 2 books these days, 5dimes and nitrogen and my casino is disabled at dimes and I only play the dice on nitrogen (doesn't seem to be rigged or at least not as bad)

I def think all this shyt is rigged but especially in the fact that they let u win off the bat and then rape ur ass continually if u keep playing

[captrobey]

or if you have 19 and dealer's up card is a 10-value card, guaranteed the other is as well

or if you double on 11, you're getting an ace-five majority of the time

Yea i lost a big amount i won on DSI and a lot of that was from DDning on me having an 11 vs the dealer having a low card. I did overall 16 of them i managed to actually win 2.

[yisman]

Figures the one time you get a 20 dealer pulls a 21.

or if you have 19 and dealer's up card is a 10-value card, guaranteed the other is as well

or if you double on 11, you're getting an ace-five majority of the time

[captrobey]

betonline:

23:13:32	Player Hand 18 2♥ 2♥ A♠ T♦ 3♣ Hit, Hit, Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 19 5♦ J♠ 4♥ Hit, Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:13:28	Player Hand 19 5♣ 4♥ Q♣ Double Dealer Hand 20 6♦ 4♥ K♠ Hit, Stand	201.00	-201.00
23:13:22	Player Hand 19 3♣ 6♦ K♠ Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 20 Q♥ J♥ Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:13:17	Player Hand 15 T♠ 5♦ Surrender Dealer Hand 20 K♠ T♣	101.00	-51.00
23:13:13	Player Hand 15 5♣ T♣ Surrender Dealer Hand 19 9♠ T♦	101.00	-51.00
23:13:09	Player Hand 13 8♦ 3♦ 2♠ Double Dealer Hand 17 8♦ 9♥ Stand	201.00	-201.00
23:13:02	Player Hand 18 3♣ 8♣ 7♥ Double Dealer Hand 21 J♦ 6♥ 5♦ Hit, Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:12:58	Player Hand 20 K♥ Q♣ Stand Dealer Hand 21 3♠ 8♣ K♦ Hit, Stand	51.00	-51.00
23:12:54	Player Hand 15 9♦ 6♥ Stand Dealer Hand 18 K♥ 2♥ 3♦ 3♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	51.00	-51.00

Figures the one time you get a 20 dealer pulls a 21.

[yisman]

betonline:

23:13:32	Player Hand 18 2♥ 2♥ A♠ T♦ 3♣ Hit, Hit, Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 19 5♦ J♠ 4♥ Hit, Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:13:28	Player Hand 19 5♣ 4♥ Q♣ Double Dealer Hand 20 6♦ 4♥ K♠ Hit, Stand	201.00	-201.00
23:13:22	Player Hand 19 3♣ 6♦ K♠ Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 20 Q♥ J♥ Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:13:17	Player Hand 15 T♠ 5♦ Surrender Dealer Hand 20 K♠ T♣	101.00	-51.00
23:13:13	Player Hand 15 5♣ T♣ Surrender Dealer Hand 19 9♠ T♦	101.00	-51.00
23:13:09	Player Hand 13 8♦ 3♦ 2♠ Double Dealer Hand 17 8♦ 9♥ Stand	201.00	-201.00
23:13:02	Player Hand 18 3♣ 8♣ 7♥ Double Dealer Hand 21 J♦ 6♥ 5♦ Hit, Stand	101.00	-101.00
23:12:58	Player Hand 20 K♥ Q♣ Stand Dealer Hand 21 3♠ 8♣ K♦ Hit, Stand	51.00	-51.00
23:12:54	Player Hand 15 9♦ 6♥ Stand Dealer Hand 18 K♥ 2♥ 3♦ 3♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	51.00	-51.00

[stefan084]

1. is everyone on here rich? if not why do you keep playing a game in which you lose thousands of dollars at a time?

2. how many hands would someone have to play to have a significant sample size in order to officially call them out? (ex. send it to Wizard of Odds type guy) and make it very public. I would think someone would have done this already

[sshz]

BJ program has different settings. It can be beaten very easily at the low setting (usually used to lure players in through practice). Start playing for money and the setting goes up. It don't know if it's still the same program that I tried out years ago, but it's basically a legal form of stealing.

I think I even discussed it with Mike at the time, and he agreed to have the practice setting moved up to the same setting as the money game.

To beat it you would need someone on the inside who could temporarily change the setting in your favor. Other than that, no chance. Even if you would win, they could change the setting on you and you wouldn't know it.

It could make a great topic for SBR research: did the book change the BJ setting on the player, without him knowing?

That is absolutely correct!

[captrobey]

I didn't check all your hands yisman, but this one stood out:

11:57:46	Player Hand 25 8♣ 4♣ 3♠ Q♦ Hit, Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 15 5♠ T♥	10.00	-10.00

I've never played BJ online (except for SBR a while ago), but I'm assuming the dealer was showing the 5?
A couple hands later you stood on 2,10 v the dealer's 9?
I'm not saying that playing perfect strategy would change the end result here, from what I have read on forums it doesn't matter how well you play you're still probably gonna lose, but at least by playing perfect strategy you know the bad beats aren't a result of bad play by you.

I think it was the other way around if you look at most hands the face or 10 card looks like it is to the right . Most hands 70-80% dealer will always put that card first forcing people to hit a lot of times. I actually at times just hold sometimes sometimes the other card is low but of course once you win a couple like that seems the program catches on and starts pulling 20s and BJ all the time.

[chipper]

Incredibly bad luck OR the fix is in....

[Martinr]

I didn't check all your hands yisman, but this one stood out:

11:57:46	Player Hand 25 8♣ 4♣ 3♠ Q♦ Hit, Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 15 5♠ T♥	10.00	-10.00

I've never played BJ online (except for SBR a while ago), but I'm assuming the dealer was showing the 5?
A couple hands later you stood on 2,10 v the dealer's 9?
I'm not saying that playing perfect strategy would change the end result here, from what I have read on forums it doesn't matter how well you play you're still probably gonna lose, but at least by playing perfect strategy you know the bad beats aren't a result of bad play by you.

[captrobey]

The other day I took 6 pts in the SBR casino and turned it into 300 by pure luck. I'm sure people do win at blackjack but maybe like 1 person out of 1000 or something like that.

I never do here the only time i ever won a large amount was when i was a non-pro a year plus ago . Of course when i turned pro again i lost a lot of the points. That is why i have not rushed too be a pro again i figure all the points get lost everyday anyway. I probably will do it again eventually though.

[LordVodka]

The other day I took 6 pts in the SBR casino and turned it into 300 by pure luck. I'm sure people do win at blackjack but maybe like 1 person out of 1000 or something like that.

[captrobey]

Their all rigged. I just went on to fun mode on wageweb since i never have been there for ages. 3 Hands vs 1 . I did Ok average the 1st 10 hands. Then every hand after that the next 15 hands was 21 or 20 even though i had 3 hands to their 1 i still lost and that was on Fun mode.

[yisman]

here's 5 Dimes blackjack

11:57:58	Player Hand 23 T♦ 3♥ J♠ Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 17 K♦ 7♦	2.00	-2.00
11:57:52	Player Hand 23 8♣ 5♣ T♥ Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 17 7♦ K♦	10.00	-10.00
11:57:46	Player Hand 25 8♣ 4♣ 3♠ Q♦ Hit, Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 15 5♠ T♥	10.00	-10.00
11:57:39	Player Hand 15 8♣ 7♠ Surrender Dealer Hand 13 3♠ T♣	5.00	-2.50
11:57:29	Player Hand 26 4♠ Q♦ A♦ A♥ K♣ Hit, Hit, Hit, Bust Dealer Hand 18 7♦ A♣	5.00	-5.00
11:57:25	Player Hand 12 2♣ T♦ Stand Dealer Hand 17 9♦ 5♣ 3♦ Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00
11:57:19	Player Hand 20 T♦ K♣ Stand Dealer Hand 17 Q♣ 7♣ Stand	5.00	5.00
11:57:17	Player Hand 15 6♦ 9♣ Dealer Hand 21 A♠ Q♦ BlackJack	5.00	-5.00
11:57:11	Player Hand 17 2♠ T♣ 5♣ Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 18 8♥ K♠ Stand	5.00	-5.00
11:57:07	Player Hand 14 4♣ J♣ Stand Dealer Hand 19 7♣ 2♦ Q♣ Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00
11:56:58	Player Hand 19 Q♦ 3♥ 6♦ Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 19 8♠ A♦ Stand	5.00	0.00
11:56:55	Player Hand 13 6♥ 7♦ Dealer Hand 21 A♥ K♥ BlackJack	5.00	-5.00
11:56:46	Player Hand 18 K♥ 3♠ 2♣ 3♣ Hit, Hit, Stand Dealer Hand 19 2♠ J♥ 3♥ 4♣ Hit, Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00
11:56:42	Player Hand 16 6♥ J♣ Stand Dealer Hand 22 6♠ 6♣ Q♣ Hit, Bust	5.00	5.00
11:56:37	Player Hand 17 J♥ 7♣ Stand Dealer Hand 18 7♦ 3♠ 8♣ Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00

Displaying last 15 games you played.

[captrobey]

WOW! You didn't win one hand at all with $350. How much were you betting a hand?

I started with $15 a hand for awhile then after losing 10 hands or so upped it to $25 .

[yisman]

so then I get 10 against dealer 3

double, get a 2

have a 12 in other hand, hit, get a 10 and bust

so you only get aces on doubles if you double on 11

otherwise, it's a 2

every single DD I've gotten either an ace or a two, depending on which way would screw me.


edit: finally got something good. Next DD got 10, next got 9.

[yisman]

three times I've gotten 11 in this current session

all three times I doubled


all three times I got an ace

playing two handed, got dealt a 20 and a pair of 7s against dealer 5

split the 7s, got an 11, doubled, got ace

figured I'd at least win the 20, but dealer naturally drew to 21 from a 5. More common for the dealer to get 20/21 from a 5 or 6 than to bust.

double down, get ace, right? So I get 9 against a dealer weak card (forget whether it was a 4, 5, or 6), double, get a 2.

[yisman]

How do you get a hand history at heritage?

main casino page. online casino, upper right, says history

I don't understand why you guys when posting up at the books tell them disable the casino please?

heritage won't do it

originally they were willing to disable it temporarily (but they re-enabled it every month)

now they won't disable it at all. They tell you you can change it under preferences, but you can change it back and forth, useless.

[stevenash]

I don't understand why you guys when posting up at the books tell them disable the casino please?

[LordVodka]

WOW! You didn't win one hand at all with $350. How much were you betting a hand?

[captrobey]

How do you get a hand history at heritage?

Some places will not give it to you unless you ask and who knows if what they are sending you is legit. I do not know about Heritage but DSI no longer lets me see my history . I think because i kept posting their BS hands here . The last time in there i had $350 .I lost every single hand did not win once. Every hand a 20 or 21 dealer pulled over and over. I have not played there since . I cannot even prove it now since they are not letting me see my hands.

[LordVodka]

How do you get a hand history at heritage?

[Natty68]

It's unbelievable how often the dealer will draw to a 20 or 21 from a 5 or 6. Also, on Bovada, dealer starts off with a 10 an ungodly percentage of the time and if it's a face card you can be sure there another face card coming to give him 20. It is interesting however, if you lower your bets to a dollar you can seemingly tread water for quite along time.

[LordVodka]

I really think they adjust the difficulty based on how much money they're making with sports betting. If they got killed that week the difficulty goes up.

[captrobey]

Wait....is this a known thing? I have long suspected they have different settings they use. Where can we find out more about this?

Yes there are different settings and the are always against you which is why i kick myself for playing this rigged crap over and over. DSI i once wrote an e-mail to them and sent them hands that were not humanly possible. This was like 2 years back. They sent me an e-mail asking for my acct number. I gave it to them thinking they may put something back in there after showing them the hands the dealer constantly got .

They never put anything in. But all of a sudden after a zillion losing sessions i all of a sudden got a fair game and won like $3000 or something like that. I was not getting hands like the dealer 80% 20 or 21 but the dealer stopped getting them at that rate. Then the next day it went right back to how it was.

I do not care what anyone says they are all rigged like that. GTbets ,DSI, Sportbet,Justbet, Galaxy,they are all the same crooks when it comes to the casino. If they were fair the player once in awhile should have a decent run. Look at your history i always see the dealer gets a 3-1 or 4-1 ratio of 20s and 21s to you. Even if you win some you still will not beat the dealer that way.

And yes i realize it is at a quicker pace. It does not matter when the dealer constantly pulls 20s and 21s like this. Even when i try multiple hands it does not matter you get crap and dealer pulls 20-21 over and over. I NEVER have this crap happen like this at a live casino. If the program is set for you to get 12-17 most hands and dealer gets 19-21 most hands then there is absolutely no chance.

And another thing i noticed and i do not know if they do this to everyone, but at DSI they no longer let me see my history. I think they did that on purpose because they knew i was copying their hands and showing people on here to show how rigged they are. So now they do not let me see my history. And i am pretty sure that is the reason why.

[LordVodka]

Wait....is this a known thing? I have long suspected they have different settings they use. Where can we find out more about this?

[Thunderground]

that was heritage (euro blackjack)

it's a lost cause

BJ program has different settings. It can be beaten very easily at the low setting (usually used to lure players in through practice). Start playing for money and the setting goes up. It don't know if it's still the same program that I tried out years ago, but it's basically a legal form of stealing.

I think I even discussed it with Mike at the time, and he agreed to have the practice setting moved up to the same setting as the money game.

To beat it you would need someone on the inside who could temporarily change the setting in your favor. Other than that, no chance. Even if you would win, they could change the setting on you and you wouldn't know it.

It could make a great topic for SBR research: did the book change the BJ setting on the player, without him knowing?

[yisman]

and here's bookmaker

18:39:56	Player Hand 15 Q♣ 5♥ Surrender 100.00 -50.00 Dealer Hand 13 3♣ T♦ Stand	100.00	-50.00
18:39:50	Player Hand 20 2♣ A♥ 7♦ Hit, Stand 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 21 7♠ 2♠ 2♦ J♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:39:46	Player Hand 18 5♣ 4♦ 9♠ Double 200.00 -200.00 Dealer Hand 20 8♠ 6♥ 6♠ Hit, Stand	200.00	-200.00
18:39:41	Player Hand 14 K♦ 4♥ Stand 100.00 100.00 Dealer Hand 23 5♠ 6♦ 2♦ Q♦ Hit, Hit, Bust	100.00	100.00
18:39:38	Player Hand 15 7♦ 8♦ Stand 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 17 8♣ 3♦ 6♥ Hit, Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:39:32	Player Hand 22 5♠ 5♦ 2♠ Q♣ Hit, Hit, Bust 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 20 T♥ K♣ Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:39:25	Player Hand 17 5♣ A♦ A♦ Q♥ Hit, Hit, Stand 100.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 17 9♣ 8♣ Stand	100.00	0.00
18:39:19	Player Hand 24 4♥ 2♠ 8♥ T♣ Hit, Hit, Bust 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 20 T♥ J♦ Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:39:15	Player Hand 15 J♦ 5♥ Surrender 100.00 -50.00 Dealer Hand 19 9♦ T♦ Stand	100.00	-50.00
18:39:11	Player Hand 17 9♥ 8♠ Stand 100.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 17 7♠ K♠ Stand	100.00	0.00

18:39:07	Player Hand 17 K♦ 7♣ Stand 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 18 2♥ 4♥ 4♠ 8♠ Hit, Hit, Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:39:03	Player Hand 14 K♣ 4♥ Stand 100.00 100.00 Dealer Hand 22 4♦ 6♣ 3♥ 9♥ Hit, Hit, Bust	100.00	100.00
18:38:59	Player Hand 12 2♠ 9♠ A♠ Double 200.00 -200.00 Dealer Hand 18 8♠ K♥ Stand	200.00	-200.00
18:38:50	Player Hand 22 A♣ 3♦ 4♦ 4♠ 2♣ 8♥ Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit, Bust 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 20 A♦ 9♣ Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:38:47	Player Hand 19 J♥ 9♠ Stand 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 20 Q♦ T♣ Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:38:43	Player Hand 19 9♦ K♣ Stand 100.00 -100.00 Dealer Hand 20 T♠ K♥ Stand	100.00	-100.00
18:38:33	Player Hand 24 9♦ 4♦ A♥ K♣ Hit, Hit, Bust 50.00 -50.00 Dealer Hand 13 2♦ A♥ Stand	50.00	-50.00

[yisman]

just went from over 4000 to 0 really quickly

dealer has 20 or 21 non-stop

I was playing three-handed, got 11, 11, and 10 against a dealer 8 or 7

doubled on all three

got low cards on all three

dealer 18

amazing how there are no face cards when you double on 10 or 11