Sportbet.com worst rigged casino

**captrobey** · 03-04-14, 06:56 PM

The live casino is rigged too i lost every single hand in there dealer never goes fking over. Plus there was a guy with 2 spots betting $5000 on 2 spots. WTF who bets $10000 on BS like that has to be a plant.

**jonal** · 03-04-14, 07:25 PM

Sir,

please read this thread, carefully read orisbumplut's posts

SBR Forum - Sports Betting Talk - Sportsbook Review Forum

http://forum.sbrforum.com/casino/2121696-live-online-blackjack-question.html

Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.

**captrobey** · 03-04-14, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by jonal

Sir,

please read this thread, carefully read orisbumplut's posts

http://forum.sbrforum.com/casino/212...-question.html

Yes i always like his posts . I know they are rigged just thought it would be better live then straight virtual. The last post though shocked me. I wonder if it was the same guy who was a plant. I was at a table where a guy did the exact same thing. He had 2 spots and bet $5000 each hand so $10000 on 1 round. He lost it all. I really doubt anyone would bet that much n something that is so obviously rigged.

**captrobey** · 03-04-14, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by jonal

Sir,

please read this thread, carefully read orisbumplut's posts

http://forum.sbrforum.com/casino/212...-question.html

Oh wait lol i just realized that last post was you !!! Do you remember the persons name i cannot remember it but was it on a 5dimes site? The guy did what you just said and bet $5000 on 2 spots. I think the guys name was Alexander .

**jonal** · 03-04-14, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by captrobey

Oh wait lol i just realized that last post was you !!! Do you remember the persons name i cannot remember it but was it on a 5dimes site? The guy did what you just said and bet $5000 on 2 spots. I think the guys name was Alexander .

Yes to all your questions, same name

**captrobey** · 03-04-14, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by jonal

Yes to all your questions, same name

Wow lol we both saw the same thing today that is pretty amazing .

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by captrobey

Wow lol we both saw the same thing today that is pretty amazing .

Well I don't think we saw the same thing, just the same player/plant. The table I pulled up was their "high limit" table. Alexander was the only player on the table. Are you saying you were playing at a table and Alexander was betting 5k a round on the same table?

Anyway I started messing around with "live blacjack" for the same reasons you did a couple nights ago. I thought something seemed off because everytime I had 20 or a lot of the table had 19/20 the dealer always had 20/21. Also there's a weird delay that initially I thought was on my end but after reading that other thread I don't think the delay is from my end. I've played online bj some years before but never the "live" variation. Just stay away from bj online there's every incentive for them to increase their edge and no reason not too.

**captrobey** · 03-05-14, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by jonal

Well I don't think we saw the same thing, just the same player/plant. The table I pulled up was their "high limit" table. Alexander was the only player on the table. Are you saying you were playing at a table and Alexander was betting 5k a round on the same table?

Anyway I started messing around with "live blacjack" for the same reasons you did a couple nights ago. I thought something seemed off because everytime I had 20 or a lot of the table had 19/20 the dealer always had 20/21. Also there's a weird delay that initially I thought was on my end but after reading that other thread I don't think the delay is from my end. I've played online bj some years before but never the "live" variation. Just stay away from bj online there's every incentive for them to increase their edge and no reason not too.

I had yes went in there to play on that table the minimum bet there was $100. Sometimes when i get the cash back on losses if it is close to $100 i will just get it to $100 and go in there . When i was there for my 1 hand(Which i lost to a dealer 21 with like 4 cards ) he was in there taking 2 spots.
Dealer just like the straight virtual seems to get a ton of face cards. Even when the few times she does not dealer seldom goes over. You are lucky you even got a 20 i rarely ever get them. Seems the norm is a 12-15 then if i hit its another face card. It is funny because i thought when i saw the $5000 limit who the hell would ever be insane enough to bet THAT much. Then i see Alexander do it on 2 spots . Later i went back in and he was at a smaller limit table betting $500 a hand. This is why i love Rebatewager-No Casino to tempt me. Also Youwager has blocked the virtual Casino although Live is still open.
I had a weird sight once on Live Casino. I mentioned this before maybe you saw it . I was playing and the down card the dealer had i could see. Then a couple hands later when the round was done and the cards were gathered the cards that were dealt to me were STILL on the table. Noone else could see them but me. Then i got dealt the new cards that got added on top of the older cards. So i had all these cards all over the place. It was a bizarre sight. In front of the dealer there was a smaller picture and there were no cards but the new ones dealt. But on my end in front of me on the main screen a had all these cards all over the place.
You are right though i think the best thing is to just stay away you will never come out ahead .

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 12:33 PM

Wow thats crazy. A few yrs ago, after I ran $50 to $2k at a online bj casino I became slightly addicted and logged some serious hours. Then I saw something I just couldn't wrap my head around. It was pre-live online bj, there were players on a table $5-$200 (iirc), all the other players left and its just me and the dealer. I'm seated at one of the sits and a new player comes in and SITS AT ALL THE OPEN SEATS, the details are fuzzy in my head because this incident happened ~5 years ago but this player in the chat box goes on to say he is reseting the software. I wasn't allowed to play more than 1 seat so I couldn't figure out how this guy was sitting at 4 a
nd his comments in the chatbox made me super suspicious of what I was playing so I stopped playing bj online shortly after. I actually started a thread about it on Casinomeiter at the time and was basically told that the site's is not rigged. I am certain tho that they're ways to "adjust" the casino's edge +/- on ALL online games. I'm going to see if I can find the thread I had started on Casinomeister when the incident happened.

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 12:49 PM

First off after I posted about the incident on Casinomeister I recieved this email from the online casino I was playing at pretty much telling me to shut up about it

"Just a quick note to let you know (my name) that somebody sharing your IP address has been posting defamatory remarks on www.casinomeister.comregarding our Instant casinos. We are not suggesting this was you but, if you have been using a shared computer we would ask that you ensure you are fully logged out of your account, as much for your own benefit as for ours.Should you require further assistance or information, please reply to this message or chat live by clicking the link below:
Sincerely,"

Because I haven't logged onto my casinomeister account in a long time I am unable to search post until they reactive it, but I am able to see my PMs. Apparently I exchanged a couple PM's with a highly reputable member on there who looked into it for me. Is it against this forum's rules to post PMs from a different forum? The PM's are somewhat interesting, but I guess I posted the actually chat that occured during the incident which I'd like to post here.

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 01:26 PM

Mods - If you want me to delete/move anything just let me know.

Here is the original post I posted on casinomeister 4.5 yrs ago right after the incident happended. In the thread a rep from the sportsbook/casino comes in and said she looked into it and the who convo was fabricated (which of course is false) and that the person does not work for them. Please note this was not on the site OP listed in the original post, and not in live bj but on a multiplayer bj table. The original thread is here http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tain-time.html I think you have to be a member of casinomeister to view it tho.

Do Online Casinos Reset blackjack after a certain time???

Well I was playing on multiplayer bj on sportsbook.com and the weirdiest thing and convo ensued. Basically I was playing with 2 other players 4 seats were open and a player then sits on all the open seats for and times out. Is what is said in the convo common knowledge? I do realize that the person could be lying. But 2 things how the real can you sit at all four seats and the person was there over an hour later when someone asked if he was still there.

gmk05: wow
gmk05: finally
RunBetter: um wtf
gmk05: lol
RunBetter: did u see that?
RES123: yea i did
gmk05: what the four ghettosams?
RES123: that's what im saying
gmk05: lol ya
RunBetter: how is that possible
RES123: i doln't know
RES123: maybe a system glitch?
RunBetter: i hope so there is one other answer for that and i aint going to type it
gmk05: who knows
Ghettosam: its no glitch im samuel roberts the dealer...i just reset the hands
Ghettosam: LOL
gmk05: whaaat?
RunBetter: do it again
RES123: reset the hands?
Ghettosam: only once every 3 hours
Ghettosam: so the game stays fair... and no boddy gets a higher edge than 62.99%
RES123: what do u mean by that
gmk05: sounds fishy
gmk05: they see im up
RunBetter: exactly
RES123: im definitely not up
gmk05: i came here with 10 bucks
gmk05: im at 113
RES123: wow
RES123: that's pretty good
RunBetter: ghetto u there?
Ghettosam: if you were to win 5 games straight you would have 67.99% edge over the casino and other players...
gmk05: so?
RunBetter: we can lose 10 straight hands and its fair but cant win 5 in a row
RunBetter: lovely
Ghettosam: before we started resetting hands you had players getting 87.99% edge over the casino and other players
RunBetter: what do u mean and other players?
gmk05: 2 in a rowwww
gmk05: lets see how this goes?
Ghettosam: that mean...that no body gets good cards except you and thats not fair
gmk05: ohhh wow shocker
RunBetter: lol
RunBetter: such rigging
gmk05: 1 in a row
Ghettosam: but you wanna know a secret
RES123: what
RunBetter: yes
gmk05: 2 in a row
gmk05: awww
gmk05: im determined to get in a row now
gmk05: theres 1
gmk05: 2
Ghettosam: paper and a pen and write down your losing hands and winning hands as they come...there is usually a pattern....and with that you can pretty much predictthe next number
gmk05: as they come?
gmk05: the cards or jus thte number of times you lose?
gmk05: 1
Ghettosam: the casino have to be fair...so if you lose 3 hands in a row...the next 2 games are promises wins
gmk05: 2
RunBetter: ghetto do u work for this site?
RES123: im wondering the same thing
gmk05: i still got 2 hands won
gmk05: see if i can get
gmk05: 5
gmk05: 3 now
Ghettosam: but you have to know or rememberize the pattern...cause its not always going to come in order
gmk05: you dont work for this site
gmk05: 4 in a row
gmk05: 5 in a row suck my balls
RunBetter: RESET!! do the trick
gmk05: lol
gmk05: hurry b4 i get 6!
gmk05: awww
Ghettosam: i been working for playersonly for seven years i seen people lose thousands...cause they dont use a stratagy
gmk05: im not bettin nothin now
RunBetter: lol
RES123: so then how do u reset if u do'nt work for the site
gmk05: you cant even spell how do you work for this site
gmk05: here comes the pain
Ghettosam: i cant spell hunh
RES123: i don't know wabout this pattern
RES123: do you guys see a pattern
gmk05: no
Ghettosam: p writing them down
Ghettosam: if you lose a hand write an x if you win write an o....and soon you will see what im talking about
gmk05: if you work for them why would you be telling us?
Ghettosam: cause its the 3rd penetrating time this week they got me on the night shift
gmk05: lol your such a liar
gmk05: they could monitor your chat
Ghettosam: proxy torrude
Ghettosam: im just giving advise
gmk05: advice
Ghettosam: you see
gmk05: good job res
RES123: ty
gmk05: bad job res
gmk05: hit that
RES123: i know
RES123: man
Ghettosam: if lose 3,4 maybe even 5 times in a row somewhere down the line the casino have to let you win 1,2,3 or four times....thats why you have to reconize it when it comes...thats why i say write it down
gmk05: that a boy ressssss
RES123: do u see a pattern
RunBetter: no
RES123: nice run
tom-a-lom: omg
bjsucks: wow
tom-a-lom: this is bull
bjsucks: 3 21's in a row?
bjsucks: really?
tom-a-lom: 4
bjsucks: thats insane
bjsucks: nice
RES123: i thought the mas was 100
RunBetter: omg
bjsucks: wow
RES123: sux
tom-a-lom: sportsbook is bs
gmk05: then stop playing
tom-a-lom: im going to
RunBetter: ghetto u there still?
RunBetter: dealer?
Ghettosam: till 6 am
RunBetter: omg u r serious

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 01:33 PM

The PM exchange with a reputable member of casinomeister after I posted what I did in the post above:

Originally Posted by jonal
Hi after reading your post and the ones above i got a little nervous and requested a cashout via *** for almost my full balance from sportsbook.com. Do I have anything to worry about for posting this? Its only ~$2k but I really need that. Once that hits my *** account I will feel more at ease. Everything is true in the op. I did not alter any of the chat just copied and pasted the beginning and end, part of the middle was chatting between 2 players who joined the table after the initial incident.

him

Hi,

It might have been wiser to cash out BEFORE posting this. The rep may be looking into this, and once they find the chat, they will know who you are. However, it will look pretty odd if they deny your cash-out, as it could be seen as indicating they might have something to hide. The transcript seems to land their dealer in trouble, not the players.

Despite my thoughts about what the dealer might have been trying to explain, I have a problem with the three hourly cycle, this is WAY too long for shuffling the deck after shoe penetration, and the rep talks about software, but this looks to be a live dealer game.

The only strategy that would work here is card counting, which is generally overcome by limiting shoe penetration, after all, the dealer cannot see if you are using card counting software.

Talk of simply noting wins and losses, and being able to predict the outcome of the next hand from this just has to be bullshine - if it were true, the advantage players would have long since taken this joint to the cleaners.

I suspect this really IS about card counting, and preventing a card counting player getting an advantage over both the casino, and other non card counting players. This STILL leaves the rep to explain the 3 hour rule, and why the dealer said this. It may be that this dealer was about to quit anyway, he didn't seem too happy about being on night shift.

If other players have noticed anything odd about the live BJ at this casino, they are sure to share on this thread.

If the casino is doing something to deliberately prevent a particular player from winning too many RANDOM events in a row, then this would be cheating, since the only way to specifically target a losing result onto a particular player is to rig the cards.

If you can prove this is a genuine chat transcript (or have the rep admit it is), you have a case worthy of demanding a proper explanation from the rep as to what exactly happens in a "reset".

I sent him the email I got from the sportsbook/casino that I posted itt on here 2 posts up
his response

"shared IP" "defamatory remarks"

Looks like a veiled threat to me. They know full well the thread exists, and probably know it was you. They might want this issue hushed up, which makes me even MORE suspicious about what is really going on. Maybe they ARE using "percentage stabilised" software to block individual players from getting too much of a winning streak, even if the explanation given by the dealer that night was not an accurate explanation. The fact is, you saw it AGAIN, this is no "one off", and an explanation is needed.

You should post nothing more of a defamatory nature until you have got ALL your money out.

First, contact the rep demanding an explanation of exactly what this "reset" is. If they ignore you, you can either open the issue for further discussion, or contact Max and PAB, since if this IS any kind of "cheating" software, it needs to be warned against.

The rep should have no problem explaining a "reset", and how someone can sit at more than one seat, if the explanation is an HONEST one.
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After I received my cashout I never posted or talked about the incident until now fwiw.

**captrobey** · 03-05-14, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by jonal

The PM exchange with a reputable member of casinomeister after I posted what I did in the post above:

Originally Posted by jonal
Hi after reading your post and the ones above i got a little nervous and requested a cashout via *** for almost my full balance from sportsbook.com. Do I have anything to worry about for posting this? Its only ~$2k but I really need that. Once that hits my *** account I will feel more at ease. Everything is true in the op. I did not alter any of the chat just copied and pasted the beginning and end, part of the middle was chatting between 2 players who joined the table after the initial incident.

him

Hi,

It might have been wiser to cash out BEFORE posting this. The rep may be looking into this, and once they find the chat, they will know who you are. However, it will look pretty odd if they deny your cash-out, as it could be seen as indicating they might have something to hide. The transcript seems to land their dealer in trouble, not the players.

Despite my thoughts about what the dealer might have been trying to explain, I have a problem with the three hourly cycle, this is WAY too long for shuffling the deck after shoe penetration, and the rep talks about software, but this looks to be a live dealer game.

The only strategy that would work here is card counting, which is generally overcome by limiting shoe penetration, after all, the dealer cannot see if you are using card counting software.

Talk of simply noting wins and losses, and being able to predict the outcome of the next hand from this just has to be bullshine - if it were true, the advantage players would have long since taken this joint to the cleaners.

I suspect this really IS about card counting, and preventing a card counting player getting an advantage over both the casino, and other non card counting players. This STILL leaves the rep to explain the 3 hour rule, and why the dealer said this. It may be that this dealer was about to quit anyway, he didn't seem too happy about being on night shift.

If other players have noticed anything odd about the live BJ at this casino, they are sure to share on this thread.

If the casino is doing something to deliberately prevent a particular player from winning too many RANDOM events in a row, then this would be cheating, since the only way to specifically target a losing result onto a particular player is to rig the cards.

If you can prove this is a genuine chat transcript (or have the rep admit it is), you have a case worthy of demanding a proper explanation from the rep as to what exactly happens in a "reset".

I sent him the email I got from the sportsbook/casino that I posted itt on here 2 posts up
his response

"shared IP" "defamatory remarks"

Looks like a veiled threat to me. They know full well the thread exists, and probably know it was you. They might want this issue hushed up, which makes me even MORE suspicious about what is really going on. Maybe they ARE using "percentage stabilised" software to block individual players from getting too much of a winning streak, even if the explanation given by the dealer that night was not an accurate explanation. The fact is, you saw it AGAIN, this is no "one off", and an explanation is needed.

You should post nothing more of a defamatory nature until you have got ALL your money out.

First, contact the rep demanding an explanation of exactly what this "reset" is. If they ignore you, you can either open the issue for further discussion, or contact Max and PAB, since if this IS any kind of "cheating" software, it needs to be warned against.

The rep should have no problem explaining a "reset", and how someone can sit at more than one seat, if the explanation is an HONEST one.
---------------------------------------------

After I received my cashout I never posted or talked about the incident until now fwiw.

Hopefully since this happened years ago they will let this all stay up. This is incredible and blows my mind what he said. Funny how dealer got all those 21s in a row right after he "Reset" it. I wonder too about being able to see the chat unless like you said he was going to quit anyway or was pissed off working the night shift.
I remember way back when Philadelphia Park had the virtual games installed. The first 3 times i played it was fair and i won $4000 ,$4500,and $5500 first 3 trips. Then - it obviously got rigged and i never won there again . Except 1 time and this is as weird as your encounter.
I was sitting at the large virtual BJ table where i think it was like 5 people can all sit and play. As always everyone was losing hand after hand. Then it got weird.
A Casino person walked up along with a news crew. They wanted to film us all playing and having fun. We were like"Having fun? All we do is lose every hand". But we did it anyways. So we are all playing and they are just about to start filming. All of a sudden every single person at the table starts hitting . For like 2 minutes nooone lost a single hand everyone won. We knew what was going on and started max betting right away. Then as soon as the filming stopped less then a minute later everything went back as it was and we all started losing every hand again. I never played there after that again on those machines.
Since then the Phila Park has become the Parx Casino. They have Live dealers now too so no need to play that virtual rigged crap anymore.
But that story you shared yea i would have been suspicious too. sometimes it is an incident like that which can pull you away from getting cheated.

**jonal** · 03-05-14, 07:46 PM

captrobey,

Were you able to view the casinomeister thread I am referring to? If not this was posted today by someone after I bumped the thread:

Originally posted by 3jokers

Well, since it was RTG, I guess it's no real surprise if there was something fishy going on, especially back in those days. I've heard many stories about how the casino staff at those casinos where able to manipulate the actual RNG of the black jack games. I know there are some decent ones like iNetBet, but for the rest of them, I would be careful.

**captrobey** · 03-05-14, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by jonal

captrobey,

Were you able to view the casinomeister thread I am referring to? If not this was posted today by someone after I bumped the thread:

I actually thought what you put above was that but i see after clicking on the link there was a lot more. I did read it makes me even more want to stay out of there. Plus they never answered the question Jasmine asked which made it seem suspicious. I believe it happened to you i would be acting the same way if that happened to me. Of course if they say it was a fabrication like they did about what you saw even if it was seen by them i seriously doubt they would admit it . There would be no way to prove it unless they just admit to it.

**captrobey** · 04-08-14, 03:19 PM

Only a few bucks back on cash lost but went in casino. Again this is why Sportbet is my vote for worst Rigged Casino.