UFC on FOX 2 (Jan 28th 2012)

**NunyaBidness** · 01-18-12, 02:19 PM

Hopefully B, I'm way more excited about that prospective line.

**more_betterness** · 01-18-12, 02:23 PM

I for one think Sonnen will dominate this fight. There's obviously always a submission threat, but I don't see the count subbing him off of his back. That being said I wont touch the line where it currently stands.

**PunisherIND** · 01-18-12, 05:13 PM

bisping +350, sonnen -500... this is getting out of hand.

**5mike5** · 01-18-12, 07:15 PM

sonnen will dominate bisping...terrible matchup for the brit

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-19-12, 11:08 AM

Bisping: "Chael Sonnen’s best weapon is his mouth, and that’s something that’s going to be absolutely useless in this fight...I see a very bright future for Chael Sonnen as a used car salesman very soon."

Chael: "I am going to knock the teeth out of this snot nosed Brit who calls himself royalty, who calls himself a Count....I am MMA royalty and America will tune into the Chael Sonnen show next Saturday on FOX."

Bisping: "He's been kicked out of politics, kicked out of real estate, and I am going to kick him out of the middleweight division"

**koscheckbaby** · 01-19-12, 11:41 AM

Bisping may win via cuts, triangle choke, or a knee. Sonnen bleeds super easily. The Silva nuthuggers were giving him credit for all the damage Sonnen's face showed. But Sonnen is probably getting close to Marcus Davis territory. He bled and bruised bad vs Silva and Marquardt. For a fighter that should theoretically take little damage, since he's in control most of the fight, Sonnen has bad scar tissue. Did he used to cut his face with a razorblade, desiring to be a pro wrestler?

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

Bisping may win via cuts, triangle choke, or a knee. Sonnen bleeds super easily. The Silva nuthuggers were giving him credit for all the damage Sonnen's face showed. But Sonnen is probably getting close to Marcus Davis territory. He bled and bruised bad vs Silva and Marquardt. For a fighter that should theoretically take little damage, since he's in control most of the fight, Sonnen has bad scar tissue. Did he used to cut his face with a razorblade, desiring to be a pro wrestler?

Im not sure Bisping can beat him up any more than Marquardt did which didnt stop Sonnen. Marquardt landed a big knee in first round

**koscheckbaby** · 01-19-12, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Im not sure Bisping can beat him up any more than Marquardt did which didnt stop Sonnen. Marquardt landed a big knee in first round

But I mean, it took one back elbow from Marquardt that got Sonnen gushing. His skin is soft. Bisping's body type is more made to be on his back than Marquardt. He can be more active and try for more, as well as an infinitely better chance of getting back to his feet.

**5mike5** · 01-19-12, 12:48 PM

if u think bisping isnt going to get flat out dominated, i question ur MMA knowledge

this is a awful matchup for the brit, couldnt get much worse for him actually

**bjpenn85** · 01-19-12, 01:40 PM

If he can toss okami around, he def will lift bisping up with his little finger and spin him around.

**PunisherIND** · 01-19-12, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by 5mike5

if u think bisping isnt going to get flat out dominated, i question ur MMA knowledge

this is a awful matchup for the brit, couldnt get much worse for him actually

Originally posted by bjpenn85

If he can toss okami around, he def will lift bisping up with his little finger and spin him around.

i agree sonnen should win this fight by an uneventful decision, but i will take a flyer on bisping at these odds. sonnen can be subbed by anyone with half-decent bjj. i dont think brian stann was this big of a dog against sonnen.

**bjpenn85** · 01-19-12, 07:21 PM

i think stann was something like +250..while bisping now is +350.

**FightFightFight** · 01-19-12, 08:12 PM

Stann has serious ko power, bisping has no tools to finish this. Sonnen isn't that bad at bjj.

**PunisherIND** · 01-19-12, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Stann has serious ko power, bisping has no tools to finish this. Sonnen isn't that bad at bjj.

LossAnderson Silva Submission (Triangle Armbar)
LossDemian Maia Submission (Triangle Choke)
LossPaulo Filho Submission (Armbar)
LossJeremy Horn Submission (Armbar)
LossRenato Sobral Submission (Triangle Choke)
LossJeremy Horn Submission (Guillotine Choke)
LossForrest Griffin Submission (Triangle Choke)
LossTrevor Prangley Technical Submission (Armbar)

i know most of these are really long time ago, but you have to admit sub defense is his biggest deficiency. he let himself get caught against anderson, who hardly even goes for subs. that was anderson's first sub from guard in his career.

**FightFightFight** · 01-19-12, 08:49 PM

Absolutely, but the bulk of those are a long time ago, and against much better bjj guys than bispIng who has how many subs? The statement was given in the context of how much danger he is in from bisping on the bottom. It's not THAT bad. I wouldn't take bisping sub at +1500 at least. U?

**NunyaBidness** · 01-19-12, 09:32 PM

There's no one on that list to be ashamed of getting subbed by though. I would take Bisping by sub at +900.

**PunisherIND** · 01-19-12, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Absolutely, but the bulk of those are a long time ago, and against much better bjj guys than bispIng who has how many subs? The statement was given in the context of how much danger he is in from bisping on the bottom. It's not THAT bad. I wouldn't take bisping sub at +1500 at least. U?

ahh, i misunderstood your prior post. but for the record, bisping has the same amount of subs as anderson but in a much shorter career. id probably take bisping sub at +700 or so. lets not forget he was training for maia, so he probably focused on bjj for a large portion of this camp.

**PunisherIND** · 01-19-12, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

There's no one on that list to be ashamed of getting subbed by though. I would take Bisping by sub at +900.

trevor prangley. just a little bit embarrassing imo.

**NunyaBidness** · 01-19-12, 09:46 PM

In 2012 it would be, the 2003 version wasn't so bad.

**Vaughany** · 01-20-12, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

ahh, i misunderstood your prior post. but for the record, bisping has the same amount of subs as anderson but in a much shorter career. id probably take bisping sub at +700 or so. lets not forget he was training for maia, so he probably focused on bjj for a large portion of this camp.

True, but I'd imagine it was 90% BJJ defence and getting back to his feet rather than looking to sub Maia off his back. He had Shields and Dean Lister in his camp for Maia.

**Vaughany** · 01-20-12, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

There's no one on that list to be ashamed of getting subbed by though. I would take Bisping by sub at +900.

Yeah about right. Bisping has always been about control, and getting back to his feet rather than being particularly aggressive form his guard. Maybe he'll have a different mindset in this one though. But then he's been training for a guy in Maia who he no doubt been preparing for by being focused on defence and getting back to his feet rather than trying to submit off his back - which would never happen against Maia.

**PunisherIND** · 01-20-12, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

True, but I'd imagine it was 90% BJJ defence and getting back to his feet rather than looking to sub Maia off his back. He had Shields and Dean Lister in his camp for Maia.

good point.

**GunShard** · 01-21-12, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

LossAnderson Silva Submission (Triangle Armbar) LossDemian Maia Submission (Triangle Choke) LossPaulo Filho Submission (Armbar) LossJeremy Horn Submission (Armbar) LossRenato Sobral Submission (Triangle Choke) LossJeremy Horn Submission (Guillotine Choke) LossForrest Griffin Submission (Triangle Choke) LossTrevor Prangley Technical Submission (Armbar) i know most of these are really long time ago, but you have to admit sub defense is his biggest deficiency. he let himself get caught against anderson, who hardly even goes for subs. that was anderson's first sub from guard in his career.

Bisping by Submission hedge with Sonnen by Decision sounds like a good bet.

**Vaughany** · 01-21-12, 05:43 PM

Bisping blog:

Bisping: I'll beat Sonnen. Bet on it

I'm now 1/3 through my training camp to fight Chael Sonnen for the No. 1 contender's spot for the UFC middleweight title, as hilarious as that sounds. But that's what happens when you accept a change of opponent on 10 days notice. In one week, I will be weighing in for the 185-pound UFC On FOX fight in Chicago.

I am under no illusions as to the task I've got on my hands next Saturday. No one else in the division wants to fight Chael Sonnen, and sure as hell no one else would have taken the fight at this kind of notice against him. The guy is a beast, let's be honest. He's a great wrestler, no question, but what makes him so dangerous is his physical and mental strength, his will to win and the fact he's a tough mofo!

His standup isn't great and his Brazilian jiu-jitsu is average, but he makes up for all that with being so tough and relentless. That's really what makes Chael one of the best fighters in the world — his will to win and his toughness.

That said, his Achilles' heel is submissions. He's tough as nails, but for some reason he taps out pretty quickly. That's a weird contradiction in him. Yes, he's looked outstanding of late — beating Brian Stann, Yushin Okami, human pin-cushion Nate Marquardt and obviously dominating Anderson Silva for four rounds — but he's not invincible. He has lost 11 times. He has weaknesses in his game like anyone else.

There are no easy opponents or perfectly made-to-order gimme fights at this level. It is going to be a tough, hard, nasty fight, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

I don't want to beat Jason Miller to get a title shot. I want to beat Chael Sonnen. And I don't want to fight anyone other than Anderson Silva for the belt. I'm either good enough to be the UFC middleweight champion, or I'm not. All I've been asking for is the chance to earn my shot, and that's what I've got next week.

Yes, it's a big task, but it is a big task for him to beat me on 10 days notice. I am vastly more experienced than his original opponent, Mark Munoz, and am a far better striker. I strongly urge anyone with some spare cash to put money on me. Me starting a 4:1 underdog is a joke. I'm highly, highly amused by those odds. Please, ladies and gentlemen, refinance your house and make some money on "The Count" next week.

I was mildly amused by some of the things Chael said about me when the fight was announced. But, to be honest, I was expecting a little more from him in the smack talk department. Saying I sound like the British kid in South Park? Not your best material, Chael. Even cornflakes-for-brains Jorge Rivera used the South Park references, but I'm sure Chael's got some quality zingers coming up.

He won't let me down on the smack talk, I am positive. "Fail" Sonnen has failed at politics, failed at real estate, failed at being a crook in real estate because he got caught, failed as a middleweight title challenger, so I am sure Fail Sonnen won't want to fail at his true calling in life: smack-talking.

And for the record, I have to admit, I think Chael is hilarious a lot of the time. He's a great fighter, is a genius self-promoter and MMA is lucky to have him, to be honest. Those who say he's too WWE don't know what promotion in sports is like in the 21st century. I think the guy's personality is great for the sport.

That said, I am kicking his arse next weekend. He's had his shot at the belt. Now I want mine.

UFC on FOX 2, featuring Michael Bisping vs. Chael Sonnen, Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis, and Demian Maia vs. Chris Weidman, will be LIVE on FOX at 8 p.m. ET, Jan. 28. Follow Bisping on Twitter @bisping

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-21-12, 05:52 PM

Bisping by tko Aka cuts from the bottom. Ken flo elbows

**Kaladarus** · 01-21-12, 06:11 PM

Bisping forgot to mention how he plans on beating Sonnen.

**gabe** · 01-21-12, 06:59 PM

By giving his best and knocking him out, if he gets the chance, or submitting him if he gets the chance. Starting with some good strikes on the feet.

It's pretty clear. He doesn't need to spell it out.

**Vitooch** · 01-21-12, 09:00 PM

I really like Weidman in this fight. Not sure if I should pull the trigger on -155 or wait till this line drops. Seems to be alot of Maia backers at current odds.

**proposition joe** · 01-21-12, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I really like Weidman in this fight. Not sure if I should pull the trigger on -155 or wait till this line drops. Seems to be alot of Maia backers at current odds.

Yeah, I'm starting to like Weidman more and more. At +255 I was all about getting Maia but if Weidman comes down to about -130 or so, I'll probably play it fairly large.

**GunShard** · 01-21-12, 10:01 PM

Bisping is not a better striker than Munoz.

**Kaladarus** · 01-21-12, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by GunShard

Bisping is not a better striker than Munoz.

**Vaughany** · 01-22-12, 05:15 AM

Double

Did u mean to put "wrestler" rather than "stiker" Gunshard?!

**Vaughany** · 01-22-12, 03:08 PM

**Educ8d Degener8** · 01-22-12, 03:13 PM

Checked right when i got my notification on my celly... line already moving, but hit Lentz at +180 for 1.50u...

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 01-22-12, 03:16 PM

Put down 2u on Lentz at +250. That is a juicy opener for a guy with excellent top control vs a BJJ blackbelt. Dunham could easily get LnPed. I'll arb it out when the line moves closer to say +130 to +150...