Is anyone here really expecting much of the Hathaway/Pyle fight to go to the ground? I think a lot of Hathaway's takedown defense and size for the division. If he wants it standing, I think he should be able to keep it there. Agree/disagree?
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Yep Hathaway should be able to dictate where the fight goes even tho he'll have less of a size advantage thn he has had in the past. I don't think he'll necessarily want to keep it standing tho, he has said in the interviews that he will be looking for take-downs, after all it is his natural inclination to take down his opponent due to his rugby background.Originally posted by ShagdogyComment -
^ 3rd Decision prop?Comment -
Yeeee, all of the main card fights are pretty even IMO, and at the moment I'm planning on doing Bisping/Akiyama to go to decision, Hardy/Condit to go to decision, Patrick to win by decision and Hathaway by dec/Pyle by sub. I'm planning to arriange my wagers so that as long as 2 out of the 4 props/straddles are successful I won't end up losing anything (obviously depends on the actual odds that come out). 4 out of 5 of the main card fights at 119 went to decision and I won't be surprised, and am expecting, to see at least 3 out of 5 at this one.Originally posted by Fiasco01Comment -
Bisping/Akiyama is likely to got to decision, but doubt there is any way Akiyama gets a decision win in London, so he's out on a dog play.Comment -
I can see the Bisping, and Condit-Hardy fight going to decision.Comment -
So can the books. Last I saw on 5dimes those lines were in the area of -155. I think the value is in betting on the English fighters. They just don't lose decisions in London.Originally posted by vassman86Comment -
Im hoping Paddypower are way out in comparison to the other books and put them closer to Evens range. If Bisping/Sexyama to decision ist -110 or better I'll probly will take Bisping by decision. Id take Hardy/Condit by decision up to -150...I just cant envisage either of them finishing the other in 15 minutes.Originally posted by ShagdogyComment -
i think i`m going against the grain,but i think akiyama is a tad overrated...no great wins(unless a split vs belcher,wins over highly overrated kang or one-dimensional manhoef(2-4 last 6) makes a guy a world beater....Originally posted by Shagdogy
sometimes the hype tends to get out of hand.....and fighting in britain ain`t no picnic for a foreigner...just ask matt hamill(and that`s not a knock at the british...i love the brit and canadian nationalism...we could use some of it here in the states)....just finished watcjhing prize fighter last weekend...the brits love their combat sports....
vaughnay sounds about right...bisping by decision...
i honestly wanted to(actually already did,truth be told at +145) lay down some coin on condit.....but in retrospect,i doubt he can finish hardy...he won`t win a decision... so ,like some of the sharp posters here,i`ll be looking to hedge with a distance prop of some sort.....
hardy`s a counterpuncher...and i`m not sure his comments about "bullying" condit aren`t dead on...condit`s awfully wispy...
but condit`s determined,aggressive and a real grinder....can he wear out hardy by sheer force of will like he did hathaway?....he can take a lot of punishment(he did vs hathaway and ellenberger)...but,somehow,i kind of doubt it....it`s only 3 rounds...
one thing i do believe...i honestly think the only reason that hardy didn`t get his arm broken by st pierre was because of st pierre....not hardy...
call me crazy,but i honestly think st pierre didn`t want to break hardy`s arm.....it`s not in his biological make-up....for some guys,it`s not easy to have an arm right there and just snap it......st pierre is a genuinely nice dude...i hope that doesn`t work to his detriment down the line...
i think that condit`s jits is far more polished than st pierre`s...st pierre has other weapons in his arsenal...his wrestling...his strength...his athleticism...his ungodly reflexes....he`s like a ninja/gymnast...he can beat you in multiple ways and change strategy in mid-fight.........
condit`s ace in the hole are his subs...and their records bear this out...
i think that IF(and it`s a big IF) condit gets hardy in that same position,that arm will go...i don`t think condit could care less.........and condit is a notorious finisher....
looks to me like condit inside the distance and hardy by decision are the probable scenarios...with the most likely being hardy by decision...
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U might not be wrong about GSP not wanting to go the full way with the sub. But I did see the footage after the event were Danaher showed GSP after the fight why his sub attempts werent completely successful. Also, Hardy has been working hard on his BJJ in this camp and has brought in Gracie Black Belt Victor Estima as the coach (ranked third best BJJ coach in the world) and his hyping his BJJ game big time now, even sayin he might take Condit down and submit him. This may of course all be a tactical game - after all, Hardy will always have a penchant for brawling. Nonetheless, I agree that it's going to be very hard for Condit do get the nod in a decision, its not like he can clearly outwrestle Hardy for three rounds and lay n pray a la Koscheck vs Daley. He'd have to knock Hardy down in the stand up and probly cut Hardy open through GnP and then not suffer any damage from Hardy in order for him to get a decision. But I cant rule out a Condit sub win, maybe by triangle or something, if its +500 or better on paddypower I may consider it.Originally posted by rocky mattioliComment -
Vaughany, you don't think Condit can outwrestle Hardy that easily? He had to know that GSP was gonna go all out takedowns in his title fight and he seemed to have never drilled takedown defense in his life. I know GSP's takedowns are relentless, but Hardy threw his punches so carelessly that he left himself with no defense for the takedown at all. If he does the same vs. Condit, I think he will be taken down at least once or twice. I think if Condit WANTED to wrestle for 3 rounds, he probably could. The thing is, we all know he won't because he's too concerned with putting on a show. I do believe if Condit were to commit to wrestling first, he could be pretty successful, but I don't see him doing it. Still like Hardy by decision. I'm intrigued by the straddle option with Condit inside the distance though. That's the only way he wins.
By the way... looking back, was Hardy's title fight not the most undeserved title shot ever? He had no chance.Comment -
Exactly. Condit has the skill to take Hardy down constantly. However I don't see him doing it. Hardy will win a stand up fight. Condit doesn't have enough power to hurt Hardy at all on the feet.Originally posted by ShagdogyComment -
Agreed, and Condit always seems very hittable. He has good striking offense but poor striking defense, and against Hardy that could be very costly. I like Hardy in this one, possibly even Hardy inside the distance @+324Comment -
im going with condit and akiyama, its hard to imagine both of them losing.Comment -
I don't know about that, I have a pretty big imagination...Originally posted by playa420Comment -
Cheick Kongo -195
Travis Browne +165Comment -
would take condit and travis browne here especially for those odds on browne. Kongo is garbage and has the worst fight strategy in every match. I'll take a chance with Browne at those odds.Comment -
I don't see how Yoshi wins? I wouldn't be surprised to see him get KO'd actually. The fact that he's training with Greg Jackson is good, but I don't know if you can completely overhaul his gas tank in such a short amount of time. He tends to carry a lot of muscle and that's going to hurt him in the long run obviously. So I can see The Count just out boxing him until the third round and just ends it. I could be wrong and Bisping might be dumb enough to try to box inside and get thrown around like a rag doll, but I doubt he'll take any risks in this fight. Bisping by Dec or by KO each worth a unit play in my opinion.Comment -
Bisping + Condit Parlay for me. I was looking at the recent ufc payouts and man is bisping worth a lot to the ufc. He made $325,000 + $150,000 in bonuses compared to his opponent Dan millers $15,000. That kind of money must be translating into the best training, nutrition, and well being. And he will have home town advantage if anybody believes that means anything in MMA. As for Condit I think he will be able to stand and bang with hardy. I am considering that Hardy must be a lot more powerful then condit but slower as well so if condit can use his reach to play jabs all night I think he will come out with the win.Comment -
I cant help but think Condit isnt the guy to stick to a game plan like that and that he is more likely to be recklessly aggressive, throwing spinning elbows and flying knees and leaving himself wide open! This would play right in to Hardy's counter-attacking strategy. Nonetheless, I dont see Hardy TKO/KO'ing Condit, Outlaw's KO power is exaggerated by the UFC, he's defo no way near as xplosive and hard-hitting as Ellenberger IMO (obviously technique also plays apart but I dont think the difference between the two is that great) who landed several heavy shots on Condit which he took and came back from, and we all saw what Jake did to Howard in his last fight. IMO if Hardy ever fought Ellenberger he would get beaten reasonably comfortably due to Ellenberger's superior wrestling and explosiveness...partly the reason why im reluctant to bet on Hardy by decision straight up.Originally posted by syn^Comment -
Odds for rest of card are out on bookmaker now. Seems like they've got it pretty much spot on across the board -
Maldonado at -210 and McSweeney at +170
Cantwell at -190
Patrick -195 Wilks +155
Vinicius Kapke -115
Fisher -345
Diabate -120 and Gustaffson -110Comment -
Also Skybet have Patrick at +137.5, Browne at +200, Hardy by decision at +350 and Condit by decision at +650... may have to sign up to Skybet just to jump on those!Comment -
Cantwell is now -165 on bfo. I was hoping he would open closer to even. I'm going to wait maybe its gets closer.Originally posted by VaughanyComment -
Condit got destroyed in the wrestling department in his last fight. I don't think he'll be going for many takedowns anyways, but I think Hardy will be ready for what he throws. Condit is a very slow starter and his striking is levels behind Hardy's. Hardy should be able to secure the first 2 rounds and it's unlikely Condit will finish the fight. That along with the fight being in England and I can definitely see Hardy either winning by decision or finishing Condit. That being said, if Condit actually comes in with a good game plan and actually does what he needs to do to win the fight, he can win it. I just don't see Condit completely changing his game plan.Comment -
Bisping,hardy and congo all should win.hardy is a lock.Comment -
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can't wait to see the buy rate for this ppv.Comment -
why pay for this shity card when u can wait it tape delayed on spike for freeOriginally posted by clarkd32Comment -
Hardy submitting Condit is laughable lol! He isn't going to learn how to submit a guy like Condit over a couple camps, regardless of who is training him. All that shit is talk and filler IMO.Originally posted by Vaughany
Bisping KOing Akiyama? A guy with little power who runs and jabs isn't going to TKO a guy with a ridiculous chin. Some of the shots Akiyama took vs. Leben and Belcher were ridiculous.Originally posted by Fiasco01
Hardy's power is vastly overrated. He's only TKO win in the UFC is vs. Rory Markham. Add to this the fact that Condit's chin is granite. I couldn't believe he survived those shots against Ellenberger. A decision win is much more likely, but there is always an small chance of a ref stoppage.Originally posted by lasker
For me, if you are playing the Brits in the 2 main fights, I think most of the value is in them by decision. I cant see Bisping finishing Akiyama for the life of me. And Condit has never been TKOed. I just wouldn't feel comfortable laying the juice on those guys when there is much more value in them by decision. But I could be surprised, you never know.Comment -
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Originally posted by Eccocide
Yeah I am on Bisping by decision, as I also don't see him winning any other way but I do think it's the most likely result by far.
As for Hardy-Condit, the main issue for me is that Condit always seems sloppy on the feet. He's wild and very exciting to watch, but takes too many risks for my liking, especially against a guy as technical as Hardy. Hardy's power may be exaggerated, but if he lands one clean on the chin (and I think he has a good chance of this), he may not knock Condit out with one punch but I think he can definitely finish.
Condit has never been TKO'd, but he also has never fought anyone with the same level of standup that Hardy possesses. I also think Hardy does have more power than anyone Condit fought in his career besides Ellenberger, who very nearly put him to sleep.Comment -
Thinking about wagering on Travis Browne, anyone want to talk me out of it?Comment -
Sexymama is the play....Comment -
Skybet have just removed Patrick at +137.5 from the site, glad I got in there early, was just about to add another couple of units on top of the 3 id already placed. Expecting them to put it back up with Patrick between -150 and -190 now.Comment -
UFC 120's Carlos Condit says Dan Hardy "made a big miscalculation"
by Steven Marrocco on Oct 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm ET
Carlos Condit (25-5 MMA, 2-1 UFC) expected Dan Hardy (23-7 MMA, 4-1 UFC) to run his mouth, and the Brit did not disappoint.
Hardy has taken nearly every opportunity to throw stones at Condit, as he has done with almost all of his UFC opponents.
Condit, a former WEC welterweight champion, says he's paying it no mind. After all, he'll ultimately get the chance to shut Hardy's mouth with his fists when they meet this Saturday at UFC 120.
"He can say what he wants," Condit told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) on Monday. "I'm going to go in there, and I'm going to do my thing. He's going to find out real quick that all that [expletive] that he's talking: it's for him. I think it's to hype himself up because he's nervous."
Hardy, who most recently fell short in a bid for Georges St-Pierre's welterweight title at UFC 111, separated himself from the welterweight pack early on with sharp kickboxing skills and an equally sharp tongue that drew opponents into verbal firefights.
He's now on a quest to get back into the welterweight title picture after St-Pierre's wrestling proved to be his Achilles' heel, and after a matchup with Dustin Hazelett fell though, he accepted Condit's request to fight him.
"I asked for the fight," Condit said. "I needed an opponent. He needed an opponent. He's got status in the UFC right now. I thought it made sense."
With that of course, comes the verbal baggage. When Hardy smirks and says he's going to dominate this Saturday's fight, it brings little more than a shake of the head from the former WEC champ.
In other words, he's on to the game.
"Who is he? I've beat guys that would kill Dan Hardy," Condit said. "I've finished guys that he has split-decision fights with. I finished Marcus Davis in a kickboxing match, and Hardy couldn't finish him."
Still, it's been a while since he's squared off with such a vocal opponent.
"Brock Larson talked quite a bit," Condit said of his second WEC title defense (he later migrated to the UFC when the Zuffa, LLC sister promotion shuttered its 170-pound division). "But when we were in the WEC, we weren't doing quite as many interviews.
"Every time I turn around, there's another quote from Dan Hardy saying this or saying that. If he's training as hard as he's running his mouth, I might have a good fight on my hands."
Just what kind of fight it turns into is a question mark that's been posed in the middle of Hardy's talk. The Brit has promised to toss Condit around the cage and choke him out in addition to the requisite promise to do damage in the standup game.
But it sounds like Condit expects Hardy to ditch the proverbial wrestling singlet and stick with what he knows, unless he has a good reason to do otherwise – such as fists, knees and legs.
"Anything's possible," Condit said. "Apparently, [Hardy] feels very confident in his ground game these days. He's saying he's going to choke me out, which I think is just trying to play head games.
"But he might try to take me down if I start damaging him on the feet."
That's the ideal scenario for Condit, not only because he feels confident in his standup abilities, but because he gets a little payback.
He says he hasn't paid Hardy any mind in the buildup to Saturday's fight. But he'll enjoy proving he's a better fighter in the most physical way possible.
"I'm going to get in there, and not only show the fans what I got, but I'm going to show him that he made a big miscalculation," Condit said.
Apparently Condit took out Davis in a kickboxing fight, never knew tht!Comment
