UFC 120 Oct. 16

[clarkd32]

would be a good card to put on free tv in USA.. would be tough to promote any of those fights for ppv.

[brooks85]

well this sucks, stun gun injured

John Hathaway vs Mike Pyle

[Vaughany]

I actually think this might end up being a better fight to watch...obviously Pyle is a slightly lower level thn Stungun and Sanchez of course.

[jin2daj]

this card better be free

[Vaughany]

Condit +135, Hardy -175....think I'll just be sticking with the prop bet (fight goes the distance) for this one.

[Dingo17]

Oooo Diabate vs Gustaffson looks like a good fight. Diabate has sick Muay Thai but I don't know how long he'll be able to keep it standing against Gustaffson.

[squallsquall]

Anyone knows the time of the event?

[illmatick]

surprised to see Hardy at -175, thought it would be closer to a pickem

[marcoloco]

Damn I would have liked to see Bisping-Belfort, I like both fighters but im pretty confident that Vitor would have knocked Bisping the fvck out . Vitor looked good against Franklin.

Sexyama need to improve his cardio for the Bisping fight otherwise he will loose if it goes to the later rounds.

would of like to see that fight also. why did belfort get scratched from this fight?

[squallsquall]

How do you guys reckon the Hardy-Condit match will play out?

[Vaughany]

How do you guys reckon the Hardy-Condit match will play out?

Hardy split-decision - home advantage!

[squallsquall]

Hardy split-decision - home advantage!

True, English home turf han been important before. But how is his ground game? Condit's ground game is maaad.

[Vaughany]

True, English home turf han been important before. But how is his ground game? Condit's ground game is maaad.

Not bad brown belt BJJ, his first 3 losses wer all by submission, but then GSP couldnt submit him so dont see Condit pulling off a sub. Think it will be mostly stand up anyway

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

this card better be free

"As expected, UFC 120 will air via tape-delay courtesy of the Spike TV network when Zuffa blows the roof off the O2 Arena on Saturday, Oct. 16 in London, England"

http://www.mmamania.com/2010/7/29/1594784/ufc-120-on-spike-tv-confirmed-for

[brooks85]

"In preparation for his UFC 120 fight against Michael Bisping, Yoshihiro "Sexyama" Akiyama has decided to train with Team Greg Jackson in Albuquerque, New Mexico."

[Vaughany]

Tom Blackledge has pulled out of the fight with McSweeney and Fabio Maldonado of Team Noguiera has stepped in. Was lookin forward to the Blackledge line coming out as he may of been a dog and had just done a long write-up on the fight! Nevermind, hopefully Maldonado will also come out with decent odds due to him being mostly an unknown and McSweeney being a TUF member. Maldonado is on a ten fight winning streak in MMA and has a 22-0 record in pro-boxing, 20 of his wins by KO!

[The HOFF]

Any play against McSweeney is a good play. I was going to be on Blackledge as well, but I don't see any reason to not take Maldonado.

[vassman86]

Looking forward to seeing Condit-Hardy. Condit is truly a warrior, but his stand-up defense is no good. He's too willing to eat punches in order to generate offense, and I think that's really going to be his undoing in this fight.

[Vaughany]

Any play against McSweeney is a good play. I was going to be on Blackledge as well, but I don't see any reason to not take Maldonado.

Yep as long as his cardio is okay and he doesnt start getting casual and showing off he should be able to TKO or at least get a comfortable decision against McSweeney. I'm really hoping that due to McSweeney being TUF alumni, being a part of the whole Jackson-Grudge MMA clique, and that Maldonado is a late replacement - that we get some generous odds for Maldonado at -150 or better. Just gonna have to make sure I catch it on Pinnacle as soon as it comes out as the line for Maldonado will worsen no matter what as McSweeney is Number 1 Fade in the UFC for betting!

[Vaughany]

Looking forward to seeing Condit-Hardy. Condit is truly a warrior, but his stand-up defense is no good. He's too willing to eat punches in order to generate offense, and I think that's really going to be his undoing in this fight.

Yee it should be awesome, I keep going back on forth on who I think will win! Just decided to bet on it going to decision if -125 or better.

[Shagdogy]

Big play on Bisping by decision. Akiyama is an asian Leben. Bisping knows his power, will avoid it, and not take many risks. Can't see him bothering to sub Akiyama (though I never saw Leben bothering with that either).

Agree with everyone on Hardy/Condit to decision. I believe Hardy will take the decision, but I will stay away because Condit COULD lay-n-pray with a bit of GnP mixed in. He's too concerned with being fun and crazy to do that though. Decision. Most likely Hardy.

Considering Browne over Kongo by TKO. Kongo's been knocked down a bit lately, and sooner or later he's gonna get finished because of that. Why not Browne? If there's value in it, I'm on Browne by TKO. Otherwise I'll throw this fight NOT to go to decision in a parlay somewhere.

Hathaway def. Pyle. Period. Probably by decision, though TKO is possible. Pyle won't get him to the ground. Hathaway is big and showed excellent command of his size in his takedown defense. This one stays on the feet, maybe some time against the fence, and Hathaway wins. BOOM.

[Vaughany]

Big play on Bisping by decision. Akiyama is an asian Leben. Bisping knows his power, will avoid it, and not take many risks. Can't see him bothering to sub Akiyama (though I never saw Leben bothering with that either).

Agree with everyone on Hardy/Condit to decision. I believe Hardy will take the decision, but I will stay away because Condit COULD lay-n-pray with a bit of GnP mixed in. He's too concerned with being fun and crazy to do that though. Decision. Most likely Hardy.

Considering Browne over Kongo by TKO. Kongo's been knocked down a bit lately, and sooner or later he's gonna get finished because of that. Why not Browne? If there's value in it, I'm on Browne by TKO. Otherwise I'll throw this fight NOT to go to decision in a parlay somewhere.

Hathaway def. Pyle. Period. Probably by decision, though TKO is possible. Pyle won't get him to the ground. Hathaway is big and showed excellent command of his size in his takedown defense. This one stays on the feet, maybe some time against the fence, and Hathaway wins. BOOM.

Yeeee Bisping by decision, Hardy/Condit to decision, and Hathaway by decision will be my big 3 prop plays. Going to avoid Kongo/Browne unless ther are some ridiculously good odds for either to win by TKO/KO or decision. Also gonna have a pretty big play on Patrick over Wilks as long as I get the opener on Pinnacle - hoping the odds will be favourable due to Wilks being an TUF winner, having more experience in UFC, and because Patrick is still a relative unknown...hoping -115 or thereabouts. Hoping for good odds with the Brazilians on the undercard - Vinicius Kapke Quieroz and Maldonado. Also this is a must win fight for Spencer Fisher otherwise he will most likely be cut, he should be able to get the decision against Warburton, will have him in a parlay if -200 or better.

[Kaladarus]

I really like a Bisping play on this one. Hardy's not the greatest price, but I do think he will win convincingly.

[brooks85]

not much im liking on this card for betting

[KCJMAC]

Yeeee Bisping by decision, Hardy/Condit to decision, and Hathaway by decision will be my big 3 prop plays.

Careful on the Hathaway by decision prop. Mike Pyle has 27 fights and he's only been to decision twice. That's no accident. I think Pyle will be going for the sub or getting TKO'ed.

[zeroprogress2]

Im on hardy on this one.

[The HOFF]

Travis Browne +145
Cheick Kongo -185

I think this is a soft line on Kongo. I jumped on it.

[Pratik]

The 2 people i see as a lock on this card are Hathaway and Claude Patrick. Some good plays may be that Travis Browne guy and Condit for sure.

[Vaughany]

Careful on the Hathaway by decision prop. Mike Pyle has 27 fights and he's only been to decision twice. That's no accident. I think Pyle will be going for the sub or getting TKO'ed.

Yeep this is true, was considering straddling it with Pyle by submission as well. I dont think Hathaway has got the power to KO Pyle.

[lasker]

Yeep this is true, was considering straddling it with Pyle by submission as well. I dont think Hathaway has got the power to KO Pyle.

Really? I could be wrong, but I think of Hathaway as having a lot of raw Rugby power... which I guess may not translate into knockout power... but I think he hits hard!

[vassman86]

Not really lookin forward to this event, but the two fights I'm actually interested in watching are Condit-Hardy, and Kongo-Browne.

[Vaughany]

Really? I could be wrong, but I think of Hathaway as having a lot of raw Rugby power... which I guess may not translate into knockout power... but I think he hits hard!

Yee I meant to elaborate on that comment but didnt have time! He no doubt hits hard, and could definitely TKO/KO Pyle through GnP, or a knee standing (like in the Sanchez fight he nearly took him out with a knee). However, Hathaway's last 3 fights have gone to decision - and although some may argue that Pyle isn't as good as Sanchez and Story, I'd argue that this will be Hathaway's toughest test yet, simply due to Pyle's experience, size and aggression from the guard. Hathaway never had to worry about triangles, armbars, etc... when he took down Sanchez, Taylor and Story as they aren't dangerous off their back (in comparison to somebody like Pyle). With this in mind, I think Hathaway may be more conservative when he has Pyle on the ground and dare I say utilise more of a "lay n pray" strategy rather than a "GnP" strategy! On the feet, Hathaway isnt going to have a clear reach and height advantage (which he has had against Egan, Sanchez, Taylor and Story).

[Shagdogy]

I see a lot of clinch work and fighting for position against the cage going on in the Hathaway/Pyle fight. I don't see I ton of time being spent at range on the feet where Hathaway could catch Pyle solid, or even a ton of time on the mat. Hathaway will look to keep this fight standing, and should be able to do so for most of the fight. Pyle will look to take it down and will be hugging and in the clinch right away in order to stay out of Hathaway's range. It's hard to TKO from in there. Based on the sheer time I think will be spent in the clinch the odds of a TKO are less than they should seem. It's a good point about Pyle not going to decision, but the opposite argument can be made about Hathaway going to decision a lot. If you expect Hathaway to win, then I'd expect him to win in the way that he wins, which, against tough competition, is by decision.

Got my fingers crossed here.

[Vrakas]

bisping and hardy will win.

[lasker]

Yee I meant to elaborate on that comment but didnt have time! He no doubt hits hard, and could definitely TKO/KO Pyle through GnP, or a knee standing (like in the Sanchez fight he nearly took him out with a knee). However, Hathaway's last 3 fights have gone to decision - and although some may argue that Pyle isn't as good as Sanchez and Story, I'd argue that this will be Hathaway's toughest test yet, simply due to Pyle's experience, size and aggression from the guard. Hathaway never had to worry about triangles, armbars, etc... when he took down Sanchez, Taylor and Story as they aren't dangerous off their back (in comparison to somebody like Pyle). With this in mind, I think Hathaway may be more conservative when he has Pyle on the ground and dare I say utilise more of a "lay n pray" strategy rather than a "GnP" strategy! On the feet, Hathaway isnt going to have a clear reach and height advantage (which he has had against Egan, Sanchez, Taylor and Story).

Good points. I've actually considered betting Pyle at the current odds since I thought Hathaway was overvalued a bit, but meanwhile I haven't pulled the trigger because Hathaway's a beast and it's just hard to bet against him right now!