No and by the way i love how the Diaz boys fight too.Originally Posted by goodfellas433
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12-18-12 07:46 PM #36
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12-18-12 07:48 PM #37
These guys want the Dana approach where both guys kick the shit out of each other. Im sure if this was their kid they would tell him to "just go out there and let the fist fly son and see what happens" Originally Posted by Vaughany
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12-18-12 07:49 PM #38
i have had this screen name for about 15 years Originally Posted by Vaughany
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12-18-12 07:53 PM #39
u and gabe should apply for judges jobs. Two blind nitwits trying to judge a fight. Originally Posted by sideloaded
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12-18-12 08:05 PM #40
Shlong........my fantasy football team name is 4th and Schloooooooong. It still cracks me up. Originally Posted by goodfellas433
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12-19-12 02:20 AM #41
Question to the people who think Condit should have fought at boxing range (Diaz's most effective range), and traded blows (Diaz's most effective type of fight), should this apply to other styles as well?
For example should JDS let Cain secure a takedown so that he can beat Cain at his own game? Should Randy Couture have boxed with James Toney?
Diaz was wisely looking to close the distance to very close range as he knew this was where he had the best chance of winning. Condit, who uses far more kicks, was looking to create distance so that he could use his best weapons effectively. This was always going to lead to a situation where one guy is moving forward and the other is moving backward.
If Condit had stopped moving backward and decided to fight at Diaz preferred range then he would have given up on trying to maintain an advantage and would have been handicapping himself. It would be the direct equivalent of Diaz deciding to stop moving forward and just accepting that the fight would be fought at Condit's preferred kickboxing range. If Diaz had done this and lost, everyone would be calling him a retard for not moving forward and effectively giving in to Condit's will.
he decider here was always going to be who has the footwork necessary to maintain their preferred range. In this case it was Condit, and in doing so he landed more strikes and therefore won. Yes, occasionally Diaz would move in close against the cage and Condit would have no option but to turn away and move back to the centre of the cage. Condit was unable to fight Diaz at close range with his back against the cage, Diaz on the other hand was unable to utilise angles and footwork and trap Condit. Therefore, again, Condit managed to fight his fight.
Diaz has a style which is effective against opponents who allow him to fight a certain way. Condit was too mature to be lured in by in ring trolling antics and GSP will be too. If Diaz wants to succeed in the UFC he needs to spend less time attempting to get an emotional reaction out of disciplined fighters and more time working on footwork and wrestling.
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12-19-12 02:34 AM #42
Nobody is saying Condit should have fought at boxing range. We are saying he shouldn't have continously ran away from his opponent. Sticking and moving is what a lot of kickboxers do, it was not what Condit did. What Condit did is LITERALLY run. That is not fighting, and it certainly is not winning a fight. If you're running away from your opponent, you are losing. Just because you kick before running away doesn't score you points, it's just the only thing you're able to do. Originally Posted by ShotgunRua
Condit could have actually applied a kickboxing approach, but that would have gotten his ass beat. Long story short, Condit felt that he could not KO or submit Diaz, so his best shot was to score more points than him, and he figured the only way to do that was to kick, run, kick, run, kick, run. He was not confident he could win a decision if he actually tried to fight Nick Diaz.
Long story shorter, MMA fans are robbed of seeing how a Carlos Condit vs Nick Diaz fight would actually go down... we imagine it would be entertaining as hell, but we'll never know... and most likely, it would result in Diaz whoopin ass to a decision or finishing Condit, no way no how Condit beats him. After watching the first fight, if they fight 10 times with good judges, I think Diaz would beat him 10 out of 10 times. That means Condit won't even get a lucky KO. He had nothing for Diaz, he was exposed.
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12-19-12 02:57 AM #43
You guys made me re-watch the fight yet again...
Round 1- Nick Diaz. Condit lands a lot of strikes, but Diaz' strikes seem to be far more effective. More effective strikes + Octagon control = Nick's round. Also, the guy (Diaz, in this case) who starts showboating because his opponent is doing nothing to him is usually winning the fight.
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12-19-12 03:32 AM #44
What was his showboating? Sticking his middle finger up at Condit and taunting him? Wasnt his brother doing the same while getting his ass handed to him by Benson Originally Posted by gabe
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12-19-12 08:42 AM #45
difficult, usually they taunt out of aggression, but sometimes also when they butthurt when understanding the fight is lost. But i remember that round a as a pretty clear round for nick.
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12-19-12 09:28 AM #46
I view the taunting as their attempt to anger their opponent into their range and fighting their fight.
Useful when fighting someone with little emotional control. Completely useless against anyone with a basic level of intelligence and self control.
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12-19-12 10:04 AM #47
No one is saying Condit should have brawled. But not literally turn his back and jog across the cage. Doesn't matter how he fought, I scored it 48-47 Diaz regardless. Condit landed a bunch of touches to his legs. But I don't score those has much, this isn't fencing.
It was a smart gameplan because that was his only shot. To try and leg kick and run and hope a decision goes his way. He wasn't going to hurt Diaz. He wasn't going to out grapple him.
I'm not saying Diaz clearly won. Who knows. When you have 1 fighter fight like that it makes it hard to score, some people tend to give more points for different things. But I scored it for Diaz. After the fight I thought he would get the decision. A lot of former and current champs also thought he won...Chuck, Anderson, JDS, I think Koscheck said he had Diaz winning. It was tough to clearly call. Some clearly had it for Condit, some clearly for Diaz. Some close either way. Diaz didn't do what he had to do to adapt. But I don't think Condit can feel like he went out there and earned that title shot.
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12-19-12 10:12 AM #48
It is hilarious that people on here are throwing jabs with the "well all they care about is blood and brawls" response.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/2/5/...dit-pros-score
Right there is pro's reactions. Skimming through more than half in favor of Diaz. From brawlers, to wretslers, to BJJ guys, to Cody MckEnzie. Some guys saying Condit ran.
Are they all just bleed fans? Or actual fighters who know what its like to be there?
Shut up with this "just bleed" typical response because you have no other response. Fighters still respect fighters. Not point fighters. Not just a section of fans who miss the old days of MMA over the "contest" it has become. Where people whine for weeks that a guy isn't getting a title shot and how "unfair" it is. Think the same company that gave you Toney/Couture. Kimbo Slice. Randy Couture countless free title shots is fairy fun fair land...then you are delusional.
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12-19-12 10:13 AM #49
Credit to diaz the reason people feel that way is because of his chin.
Watch any condit fight, he does tend to hang back, throw some fairly insignificant range finders, then he'll explode with a knee or kick which will stagger his opponent. He was obviously hoping he would land flush and stun diaz, he just never managed it.
Obviously he fought in such a way that if he couldn't hurt diaz then he'd still be racking up points as a backup.
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12-19-12 11:28 AM #50
I don't remember him sticking hte middle finger at Condit, so in one word, to answer you: No. Originally Posted by Vaughany
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12-19-12 11:32 AM #51
Yeah dude, SOOO obvious. smh Originally Posted by ShotgunRua
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12-19-12 11:35 AM #52
\what was his showboating then? Originally Posted by gabe
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12-19-12 12:30 PM #53
The kind you do when your opponent is your bitch and you have nothing to fear. Originally Posted by Vaughany
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12-19-12 12:47 PM #54
Ha ha Gabe are you Nick Diaz? Just if not I don't know why you are so emotional about a fight you weren't in?
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12-19-12 01:40 PM #55
I'm emotional? lol you're the one who typed 20 paragraphs Originally Posted by ShotgunRua
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12-19-12 01:49 PM #56
Gabe out of curiosity, do you actually watch MMA?
I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm simply asking.
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12-19-12 01:49 PM #57
Always so defensive. Go talk to a psychiatrist about that sh*t bro. Originally Posted by gabe
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12-19-12 01:59 PM #58
Don't be scared, cousin. Originally Posted by ShotgunRua
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12-19-12 02:46 PM #59
In pride condit would have got two yellow cards for stalling/running and lost because of DQ. Turning your back and running isn't controlling the distance you f_gs.
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12-19-12 03:04 PM #60
Wow emotions run high in this thread ha ha!!
I don't think the Diaz fans are able to discuss this without calling everyone fags and crying so I'm outta here!
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12-19-12 04:36 PM #61
yup, this is what happens on a off ufc week. Diaz fans come in and bring up a fight from 10 months and claim how he was robbed. A fight where he clearly landed less strikes (see Fightmetric) and a fight where he himself never knocked down or significantly damaged his opponent. A close decision? YES, Diaz was ROBBED? ummmm NO
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12-19-12 04:42 PM #62
no one said he was robbed, stop making shit up Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
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12-19-12 04:56 PM #63
not in those exact words Originally Posted by sideloaded
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12-19-12 06:12 PM #64
watch 1:54
ps: thread full of twinks
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12-19-12 06:33 PM #65
wow the writing crew has slowed down. was expecting three ghost account responses within 5 minutes.
guess they are too busy doing damage control with bet islands
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12-19-12 06:48 PM #66
lol lotta n00bs here Originally Posted by sideloaded
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12-19-12 08:27 PM #67
too much gloom in this thread
sittin here, waiting for death to bloom
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12-19-12 08:44 PM #68
It's the cousin of sleep, I heard. Originally Posted by illmatick
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12-20-12 11:34 AM #69
Fell asleep after round 1 lol... continued: Originally Posted by gabe
Round 2 - Carlos Condit. Just 'cos he lands a lot more strikes.
Round 3 - Nick Diaz. More effective strikes + octagon control.
Round 4 - Carlos Condit, again, for a much higher number of strikers.
Round 5 - Nicky D. No question. Came closest to ending the fight.
I originally scored Round 2 for Diaz, this time I edged it to Condot just 'cos he landed more strikes. It's not easy for Diaz to hit him as much when he's running away... so Condit won that round by cheating, as far as I'm concerned. It's like he had a cheat-code that made him land more points than his opponent.
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12-20-12 11:35 AM #70
fuk what u hear, like a dick in ya ear Originally Posted by MD
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