UFC 223: Ferguson vs. Khabib (April 07, 2018)

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  • Thrilla
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    #386
    Joe Rogan should ease it on the pot he has been smoking. So many mistakes announcing the fighters at weigh ins.
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    • JIBBBY
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      #387
      [QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704305]
      Originally posted by JIBBBY
      Can you point to the aspects of his game that he is particularly weak in? I couldn't find anything in the fights I've seen that really stood out.

      Masvidal is an elite-level fighter and a stylistic nightmare for Al, so the fact that Al was able to keep the fight fairly competitive speaks to how good he is. Al is 8-2 in the UFC and his only losses were against Mitch Clarke, which was a fluke, and the very skilled Chiesa early in his career. His recent fights were against older fighters, yes, but the fact that he was able to run through them fairly easily shouldn't necessarily be held against him. Do you think he deserves to be around the top 10 at LW? I don't see why he shouldn't; and in that case, I am not sure how you can call him "just ok" and "kinda sucks".
      In this fight Al's take down defense won't hold up.. That's his glaring weakness going into this fight.. He will end up on his back getting beat up.. Khabib is a gorilla grappler and will shoot in for the double and or clinch n trip and get it..

      Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...
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      • Shagdogy
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        #388
        Finally got around to Dunham/OAM: Like a few others here, I think OAM is live. Dunham is a very high volume striker, but he has been successful lately against fighters who will willingly march into his range. So yes, he throws 3-4 punch combos after drawing you in, but if you aren't there for his first, you won't be there for the rest either. I think OAM will be the most careful with range of any of his past 3 opponents.

        Lauzon and Glenn both were punching bags for Dunham, walking directly into his strikes. Dariush was a bit more careful but still was the one moving forward most of the time. Even still, Dunham landed much fewer strikes against Dariush than the previous two. I think he will land even fewer strikes here against OAM. Meanwhile, I do think OAM can potshot jabs/crosses and leg kicks if he's careful.

        The big question is what happens in the clinch/TD game? Dunham is very technically sound in the clinch, but OAM has excellent strength, balance, and trip finishes. I think it's likely he lands TDs more than Dunham. However, Dunham is scrambly off his back and OAM has mental lapses sometimes where he can be reversed if he gets careless. I think that factor will keep this fight interesting, but I still have to get the edge to OAM for his distance management and very excellent clinch/trip ability. If he's cautious in top position and doesn't try to force anything, I think it's his fight.
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        • JIBBBY
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          #389
          ^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..
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          • Teem
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            #390
            Nurmagomedov - SUB - RD 3
            Jedrzejczyk - DEC
            Moicano - DEC
            Magomedsharipov - SUB - RD 2
            Lauzon - SUB - RD 1
            Kowalkiewicz - DEC
            Dunham - DEC
            Evans-Smith - DEC
            Clark - DEC

            My birthday today, wish me luck!
            Last edited by Teem; 04-07-18, 02:04 PM.
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            • Thrilla
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              #391














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              • Shagdogy
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                #392
                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                ^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..
                I think the single most dominant skill in this fight is the bodylock+trip strength and balance of OAM. When all else fails, I think that will be there for him. I do question whether he will have as easy a time as he's had against others... and I definitely have reservations about how long he can spend on the mat before he has one of his mental lapses and Dunham sweeps him or gets his back. All that considered, I think it's more his fight to lose. If he imposes his best skills without making mistakes, I don't think Dunham will have enough of an answer. So basically betting on an improving, increasingly experienced, Tristar fighter to not cost himself with mental mistakes.
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                • Kermit
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                  #393
                  Originally posted by Thrilla











                  One of the best bodies in the game. Go Felice.



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                  • Shagdogy
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                    #394
                    And now finally getting to Rose/JJ matchup. Man that last fight doesn't look like a fluke at all. Rose landed the lead left hook at will. JJ struggled with range, where she usually has a decent advantage over her opponents. And the chin, if there's any chance at all that her chin is really just at that stage in her career, then getting Rose at even is good. I know the value was much better earlier on when the line opened. Unfortunately I wasn't ready for that, but I still think I may play Rose here. I think she has to get her out of there early or at least have some real good success early so she gains confidence and gets a lead on the cards.
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                    • Shagdogy
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                      #395
                      ^ Interesting about Rose/JJ is that both girls looked much different than previous fights. Rose looked notably improved with her range, accuracy, and confidence on the feet, and JJ looked to have dropped off a little bit. Are these two girls whose careers are just moving in opposite directions? Or was that fight just a bad night for JJ and a good night for Rose, and if they both come back to a more average performance, will it tilt the scales back to JJ?
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                      • Richard Clock
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                        #396
                        [QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704377]
                        Originally posted by Richard Clock
                        In this fight Al's take down defense won't hold up.. That's his glaring weakness going into this fight.. He will end up on his back getting beat up.. Khabib is a gorilla grappler and will shoot in for the double and or clinch n trip and get it..

                        Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...
                        His glaring weakness? When was the last time he got taken down? Kevin Lee in 2014? He has an 83% TDD rate in the UFC. Just because he hasn't fought anyone of the wrestling caliber of Khabib doesn't mean that his glaring weakness is TDD. Have you watched his recent fights? From what I've seen, he does an excellent job in the clinch and fighting for underhooks. Also, showed a nifty leg lock counter to Lee's takedown attempt, but that would be very ill-advised vs Khabib.
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                        • Richard Clock
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                          #397
                          Originally posted by Shagdogy
                          Finally got around to Dunham/OAM: Like a few others here, I think OAM is live. Dunham is a very high volume striker, but he has been successful lately against fighters who will willingly march into his range. So yes, he throws 3-4 punch combos after drawing you in, but if you aren't there for his first, you won't be there for the rest either. I think OAM will be the most careful with range of any of his past 3 opponents.

                          Lauzon and Glenn both were punching bags for Dunham, walking directly into his strikes. Dariush was a bit more careful but still was the one moving forward most of the time. Even still, Dunham landed much fewer strikes against Dariush than the previous two. I think he will land even fewer strikes here against OAM. Meanwhile, I do think OAM can potshot jabs/crosses and leg kicks if he's careful.

                          The big question is what happens in the clinch/TD game? Dunham is very technically sound in the clinch, but OAM has excellent strength, balance, and trip finishes. I think it's likely he lands TDs more than Dunham. However, Dunham is scrambly off his back and OAM has mental lapses sometimes where he can be reversed if he gets careless. I think that factor will keep this fight interesting, but I still have to get the edge to OAM for his distance management and very excellent clinch/trip ability. If he's cautious in top position and doesn't try to force anything, I think it's his fight.
                          Came away with the same conclusions. I think the assumption that Dunham has the significantly better striking is misguided. OAM lacks the volume of Dunham but has been far more accurate and diverse in his striking, and has more of the athletic capacity at this stage of his career to improve moderately in this area from fight to fight.

                          I also think the betting public may be underestimating the fact that Dunham is 36 years and can take a step down athletically from what we have seen, while OAM is still under 30 and continues to make progress, especially in his striking. He also fights for a great camp and seems to be introspective and intelligent in his own development. I tend to value OAM's overall consistency in his UFC career, and the SD win vs Tony Martin is an underrated one.

                          The worry is Dunham being so slick in scrambles that he may be able to catch OAM in a submission or die out rounds on top. Still, considering Dunham's advanced age and OAM's own grappling acumen and intelligent approach, I have a harder time seeing him get into any real trouble on the ground. OAM by TKO/KO opened in the +2800 and intrigued me, but I missed that and settled on ML at +120. May add on money if the price is right, as I feel really good about this one.
                          Last edited by Richard Clock; 04-07-18, 03:08 PM.
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                          • Richard Clock
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                            #398
                            Originally posted by JIBBBY
                            ^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..
                            Dunham's undefeated streak has been propped up by wins over Joe Lauzon, Rodrigo Damm, and Ross Pearson. Just an hour ago, you discredited Al Iaquinta because he mainly has beaten those same "old guys" that I listed above. LOL
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                            • JIBBBY
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                              #399
                              [QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704528]
                              Originally posted by JIBBBY

                              His glaring weakness? When was the last time he got taken down? Kevin Lee in 2014? He has an 83% TDD rate in the UFC. Just because he hasn't fought anyone of the wrestling caliber of Khabib doesn't mean that his glaring weakness is TDD. Have you watched his recent fights? From what I've seen, he does an excellent job in the clinch and fighting for underhooks. Also, showed a nifty leg lock counter to Lee's takedown attempt, but that would be very ill-advised vs Khabib.
                              TDD isn't a glaring weakness against most fighters gut against Khabib I believe it will be.. We'll see? I don't blame ya for betting on Al as the odds are fat.. Maybe I will be wrong but I doubt it...
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                              • Kermit
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                                #400
                                You know, it can be argued that Al Iaquinta may be the 3rd best fighter that Khabib has ever fought.
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                                • HurlSweatPants
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                                  #401
                                  Originally posted by Teem
                                  Nurmagomedov - SUB - RD 3
                                  Jedrzejczyk - DEC
                                  Moicano - DEC
                                  Magomedsharipov - SUB - RD 2
                                  Lauzon - SUB - RD 1
                                  Kowalkiewicz - DEC
                                  Dunham - DEC
                                  Evans-Smith - DEC
                                  Clark - DEC

                                  My birthday today, wish me luck!
                                  Happy B-day to fellow Aries and BOL on your picks.
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                                  • HurlSweatPants
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                                    #402
                                    Originally posted by Kermit
                                    You know, it can be argued that Al Iaquinta may be the 3rd best fighter that Khabib has ever fought.
                                    For sure, with the way MJ has looked recently you would have to say he's the 3rd behind RDA and Barboza.
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                                    • Kermit
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                                      #403
                                      I can't believe Bec Rawlings is still in the UFC. I figured they would gotten rid of her after VanZant fukked her up.

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                                      • Kermit
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                                        #404
                                        Originally posted by HurlSweatPants
                                        For sure, with the way MJ has looked recently you would have to say he's the 3rd behind RDA and Barboza.
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                                        • JIBBBY
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                                          #405
                                          Originally posted by Kermit
                                          You know, it can be argued that Al Iaquinta may be the 3rd best fighter that Khabib has ever fought.
                                          On the flip it can be argued Khabib is the best fighter Al Iaquinta has ever faced also..
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                                          • Richard Clock
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                                            #406
                                            [QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704595]
                                            Originally posted by Richard Clock

                                            TDD isn't a glaring weakness against most fighters gut against Khabib I believe it will be.. We'll see? I don't blame ya for betting on Al as the odds are fat.. Maybe I will be wrong but I doubt it...
                                            We were discussing why you think Al "kinda sucks". I still don't know what you are basing that off of
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                                            • Kermit
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                                              #407
                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                              On the flip it can be argued Khabib is the best fighter Al Iaquinta has ever faced also..
                                              There is no argument about that.
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                                              • RussianMike
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                                                #408
                                                Originally posted by turbozed
                                                Which books let you parlay side and o/u in a single match? 5d and BM definitely don't
                                                Wasn't aware 5D didn't. Sounds strange considering they bar none on accepting prop parlays. I'm in Vegas and there are a few books here that do. Westgate, I think, and Palms maybe. Def William Hill, and they have online book as well.
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                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                  #409
                                                  Originally posted by Kermit
                                                  There is no argument about that.
                                                  Well Masvidal and Kevin Lee are worth arguing about a little bit Kermy.. I think Khabib could ground and beat up Masvidal but Kevin Lee I'm not so sure about? Kevin Lee is coming on hard right now and is a stand out wrestler himself.. Khabib I believe would have trouble grounding Kevin Lee for sure..

                                                  Kevin Lee is a much better fighter today then he was back in 2014 when Al fought him also..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Al-Iaquinta-42817
                                                  Last edited by JIBBBY; 04-07-18, 04:09 PM.
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                                                  • RussianMike
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                                                    #410
                                                    [QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704305]
                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                    Can you point to the aspects of his game that he is particularly weak in? I couldn't find anything in the fights I've seen that really stood out.

                                                    Masvidal is an elite-level fighter and a stylistic nightmare for Al, so the fact that Al was able to keep the fight fairly competitive speaks to how good he is. Al is 8-2 in the UFC and his only losses were against Mitch Clarke, which was a fluke, and the very skilled Chiesa early in his career. His recent fights were against older fighters, yes, but the fact that he was able to run through them fairly easily shouldn't necessarily be held against him. Do you think he deserves to be around the top 10 at LW? I don't see why he shouldn't; and in that case, I am not sure how you can call him "just ok" and "kinda sucks".
                                                    Looking for fighters with good take down defense against Khabib is like looking for that hot chick on girl's night out. Shit's irrelevant, really. Mofos will end up on their back. With AI, what many people seem to be missing in this fight, his greatest strength might simply be a good fight IQ. He positions himself less off instinct and seems to understand the other fighter's mentality during the fight. Very controlled. That may be the asset that puts him in a favorable position to finish. Really, who is gonna keep Khabib's grapple game locked down during an entire fight, anyways?
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                                                    • Thrilla
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                                                      #411
                                                      Kermit you horney little f*cker. I see you chose the one showing buttcrack and highlight her beatifull backspine from the pictures of my original post to quote post yours.

                                                      My favourite one too. Although tough choice between the last one where her pretty feet are erotically positioned, since I have a little footfetish
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                                                      • HurlSweatPants
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                                                        #412
                                                        Originally posted by Kermit
                                                        I can't believe Bec Rawlings is still in the UFC. I figured they would gotten rid of her after VanZant fukked her up.

                                                        0-3 and missed weight against Torres. If she loses this, I can't see her sticking around the UFC. I believe the 2 fights she did win were against fighters no longer in the UFC, and is 2-4 in her UFC career.
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                                                        • Kermit
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                                                          #413
                                                          The real question is IF Al Iaquinta somehow wins, then what? Does he fight Conor? Wait for Tony? Or will Dana White pull some kind of bullshit and say that he can't give him the belt?
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                                                          • HurlSweatPants
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                                                            #414
                                                            [QUOTE=RussianMike;27704680]
                                                            Originally posted by Richard Clock

                                                            Looking for fighters with good take down defense against Khabib is like looking for that hot chick on girl's night out. Shit's irrelevant, really. Mofos will end up on their back. With AI, what many people seem to be missing in this fight, his greatest strength might simply be a good fight IQ. He positions himself less off instinct and seems to understand the other fighter's mentality during the fight. Very controlled. That may be the asset that puts him in a favorable position to finish. Really, who is gonna keep Khabib's grapple game locked down during an entire fight, anyways?
                                                            I think that was the point RC was making, he has a high fight IQ and will definitely make this a fight. AI is no can.

                                                            There is absolutely no one in that weight class that can deal with his grappling, but AI does have the ability to make it ugly. My reservation is about his cardio, the pace that Khabib puts on everyone. Al hasn't fought in a year, and had a 2 year lay off before that.
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                                                            • firekillex
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                                                              #415
                                                              [QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704377]
                                                              Originally posted by Richard Clock

                                                              In this fight Al's take down defense won't hold up.. That's his glaring weakness going into this fight.. He will end up on his back getting beat up.. Khabib is a gorilla grappler and will shoot in for the double and or clinch n trip and get it..

                                                              Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...
                                                              Al has a 80%+ TDD and stopped like 8/9 Kevin Lee takedowns .... his TDD isnt his weakness whatsoever lol
                                                              of course facing Khabib it pretty much doesnt matter how good your TDD is though
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                                                              • firekillex
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                                                                #416
                                                                by the way... where is Demonta
                                                                you alive buddy?
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                                                                • THE_LOCKSMITH
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                                                                  #417
                                                                  Could this be destiny for Iaquinta? It is 11 years to the day that his coach Matt Serra ko'd GSP to win the title in a big upset.

                                                                  Now 4 fighters had to drop out in a week in order for him to get this fight in his hometown......
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                                                                  • Kermit
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                                                                    #418
                                                                    Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
                                                                    Could this be destiny for Iaquinta? It is 11 years to the day that his coach Matt Serra ko'd GSP to win the title in a big upset.

                                                                    Now 4 fighters had to drop out in a week in order for him to get this fight in his hometown......
                                                                    And then this happened too, they didn't have his name printed up for the media day event, so he had to make his own sign.

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                                                                    • PAULYPOKER
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                                                                      #419
                                                                      IiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitsTIME!
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                                                                      • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                                        Karolina Kowalkiewicz Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
                                                                        Joe Lauzon Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
                                                                        Zabit Magomedsharipov Round 2 Submission (Anaconda Choke)
                                                                        Calvin Kattar Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
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                                                                        Khabib Nurmagomedov Round 3 Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)
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