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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca Fury View Post
    Fisher is ridiculously shop worn. I'll bet any decent lightweight over him.

    Pearson should win, but his chin is a bit concerning. Cole Miller dropped him and hurt him bad with one punch.

    Gray is better than Guida in every area except useless movement. Gray should win there.

    Rick Story is pretty much a lock on the prelims.

    Fransico Rivera should KO Ken Stone in a round or two.


    The last few cards have been good for straight bets on guys with value, but UFC on FX 4 seems like a good card for parlaying moderate-to-large favorites.
    Agreed. Swanson's counter punch on Roop wasnt too dissimilar to what Cole landed on Pearson if I remember rightly. Pearson lost first rounds against Fisher and Junior so if Cub can start out strong he has a chance.

    I wouldnt rule out Ken Stone subbing Rivera or getting a decision...but as u say it's kinda hard to imagine Stone's chin not getting touched within 15 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebubzy View Post
    My big play is Waldburger Not by KO
    ha I like tht!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Agreed. Swanson's counter punch on Roop wasnt too dissimilar to what Cole landed on Pearson if I remember rightly. Pearson lost first rounds against Fisher and Junior so if Cub can start out strong he has a chance.

    I wouldnt rule out Ken Stone subbing Rivera or getting a decision...but as u say it's kinda hard to imagine Stone's chin not getting touched within 15 minutes
    To be fair, Pearson went 3 hard rounds with Edson Barboza. You'd think if Miller knocked him down, Barboza would KTFO him. I don't think Cub has that much power (Roop has a glass jaw), and Ross is the better striker in terms of offense and defense, but Cub could land a BIG shot still. Pearson should be good, I'm just not gonna go big on him.

    As for Rivera/Stone, kind of the same thing as the above fight, but a different weakness. Rivera has good enough cardio and takedown defense to keep the fight on the feet and Stone has a glass jaw, but if he does get put on his back, might be over. Will bet Rivera, but just not big.

    All things point to both guys winning, but there is a clear way either can lose, as unlikely as those ways are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca Fury View Post
    To be fair, Pearson went 3 hard rounds with Edson Barboza. You'd think if Miller knocked him down, Barboza would KTFO him. I don't think Cub has that much power (Roop has a glass jaw), and Ross is the better striker in terms of offense and defense, but Cub could land a BIG shot still. Pearson should be good, I'm just not gonna go big on him.

    As for Rivera/Stone, kind of the same thing as the above fight, but a different weakness. Rivera has good enough cardio and takedown defense to keep the fight on the feet and Stone has a glass jaw, but if he does get put on his back, might be over. Will bet Rivera, but just not big.

    All things point to both guys winning, but there is a clear way either can lose, as unlikely as those ways are.
    yeah, Pearson certainly doesnt have a dodgy chin or anything. He attributed tht loss to Miller to getting injured during the fight...

    It's no longer a secret! Ross Pearson just confirmed that he will be undergoing a knee surgery after acquiring a torn cartilage and chipped bone in his knee during his last fight with Miller.

    After Ross Pearson confirmed that he will undergo a knee surgery next Thursday, The Real Deal is eying a February return in the Octagon. Pearson suffered a torn knee cartilage and chipped a knee bone while competing against Cole Miller at UFN 22. During the second minute of his September 15 match, Pearson found himself seriously injured — resulting to a second-round submission loss to Miller.
    Ross “The Real Deal” Pearson cannot exactly pinpoint when the injury occurred. But the moment Pearson knew it, he knows that his game-plan is in jeopardy.
    “It didn’t affect me in thinking ‘oh man I can’t fight on anymore’; the only thing it affected was the gameplan. I just couldn’t do it. The gameplan was to step in and out of range, use my angles, and use my right leg kick to take away his lead leg before finishing it with my right hand. But I couldn’t push off my leg to land anything.”
    Pearson attempted to keep mum about his injury, so as not to say that he’s using his knee accident as an excuse. But he believes that the scan and news will come out in the open anyway. So instead of keeping it quiet, he confirmed that he will go under the surgeon’s knife, and wants to get back to action as soon as possible.

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    I eyeing someone i hope its the same as you guys.

    I like a lot Guida's price. Hes not as skilled as Frankie (duh!) but i think he can replicate his footwork even without the punches and maybe a couple of takedowns even if he can hold Gray down and have him slow down by the end of the second round.
    I usually fade Guida often and never made a bet on him but i kinda like him at that price in a 5 rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    PM me it duuude...Im tooooooooo excited!!
    haha yeaaaa son

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    I'm actually liking value plays on dogs so far. I think Guida can make Maynard look very stiff in the standup if he uses his spastic footwork. I think he can keep it competitive throughout to a close decision. Fisher may be battle worn, but I think he can also keep it competitive with Stout. Fighters under the late Tompkins have looked pretty poor since his passing as well. I'd put Fisher more in the +175 range. Swanson is another that I think has the tools to beat Pearson. I see that fight being competitive. I'll probably be on Lamas over Hioki as well.

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    I'm betting Swanson over Pearson. He has the range and tools to beat Ross. Stout is the lock of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabaka View Post
    I eyeing someone i hope its the same as you guys.

    I like a lot Guida's price. Hes not as skilled as Frankie (duh!) but i think he can replicate his footwork even without the punches and maybe a couple of takedowns even if he can hold Gray down and have him slow down by the end of the second round.
    I usually fade Guida often and never made a bet on him but i kinda like him at that price in a 5 rounder.
    Guida certainly has some value. However, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an improved, lay and pray monster in Maynard. Happens a lot after fighters get KTFO for the first time.

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    I think Swanson might hit +225 by fight night

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    I like Story & Maynard as locks.

    BTW Luca, do the FX 4 oddscast soon please! (then do 147 later lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by betterthanjones View Post
    I like Story & Maynard as locks.

    BTW Luca, do the FX 4 oddscast soon please! (then do 147 later lol)
    They cant really do it until the odds are out brah otherwise there are no "odds" to "cast" so to speak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    They cant really do it until the odds are out brah otherwise there are no "odds" to "cast" so to speak!
    omg tru dat. Silly me :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabaka View Post
    I eyeing someone i hope its the same as you guys.

    I like a lot Guida's price. Hes not as skilled as Frankie (duh!) but i think he can replicate his footwork even without the punches and maybe a couple of takedowns even if he can hold Gray down and have him slow down by the end of the second round.
    I usually fade Guida often and never made a bet on him but i kinda like him at that price in a 5 rounder.
    Oh yeah, I totally forgot this is 5 rounds! That definitely changes things. Guida is a cardio freak and can steal rounds, even if unjustly, simply by being more active. Gray tends to fade too. Liked Gray in a 3 rounder, but since this is 5, I might have to pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by betterthanjones View Post
    I like Story & Maynard as locks.

    BTW Luca, do the FX 4 oddscast soon please! (then do 147 later lol)
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    They cant really do it until the odds are out brah otherwise there are no "odds" to "cast" so to speak!
    Yeah, that's what sucks. The day the odds come out, I don't even have that much time to think things over before we record the podcast. Then I have to write an article the day the odds come out too, plus make any bets that I don't need to wait for the weigh-ins for. It results in a major jam. The day the odds come out is a busy, busy day for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca Fury View Post
    Oh yeah, I totally forgot this is 5 rounds! That definitely changes things. Guida is a cardio freak and can steal rounds, even if unjustly, simply by being more active. Gray tends to fade too. Liked Gray in a 3 rounder, but since this is 5, I might have to pass.
    yeah same, 5 rounds throws a spanner...

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    What do you guys think if there's a prop bet on Ebersole by KO? I was looking at Waldburger's record, 5 out of his 6 losses have come via KO/TKO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betterthanjones View Post
    What do you guys think if there's a prop bet on Ebersole by KO? I was looking at Waldburger's record, 5 out of his 6 losses have come via KO/TKO.
    Decent chance of it happening, most probably from GnP.

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    Is there any footage out there of Brock Jardine? Looking for a good two fight parlay and am considering Story/Maynard with a Guida by decision +464 hedge. I just want to make sure Story will be able to handle Jardine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poopoo333 View Post
    Is there any footage out there of Brock Jardine? Looking for a good two fight parlay and am considering Story/Maynard with a Guida by decision +464 hedge. I just want to make sure Story will be able to handle Jardine.
    Avena and Ferguson fights r on youtube

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    "The Dean Of Peen" Brock Jardine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poopoo333 View Post
    Is there any footage out there of Brock Jardine? Looking for a good two fight parlay and am considering Story/Maynard with a Guida by decision +464 hedge. I just want to make sure Story will be able to handle Jardine.
    Haven't researched the fight yet, but from what I now about Jardine, this seems like a match setup to get Story an easy win. Rick is coming off two straight losses, so they want to get him an easy win. Brock shouldn't be too much of a test from what I remember.

    But, like I said, that's before research and tape study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca Fury View Post
    Fisher is ridiculously shop worn. I'll bet any decent lightweight over him.

    Pearson should win, but his chin is a bit concerning. Cole Miller dropped him and hurt him bad with one punch.

    Gray is better than Guida in every area except useless movement. Gray should win there.

    Rick Story is pretty much a lock on the prelims.

    Fransico Rivera should KO Ken Stone in a round or two.


    The last few cards have been good for straight bets on guys with value, but UFC on FX 4 seems like a good card for parlaying moderate-to-large favorites.
    I agree that Stout is the obvious winner! I see it pointless even to talk about Fisher, he's really disappointing.
    maynard is indeed better than Guida, but as it was correctly said somewhere: Maynard's pace against Guida's strength, I think that's true! I like both guys, can't choose one)))

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    Ebersole -170/Waldburger +140 on Sportsbook

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitooch View Post
    Ebersole -170/Waldburger +140 on Sportsbook
    Still not showing for me when I log-in on sportsbook, can y'all see it?

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    Pearson looked pretty dam good leading up to that Miller fight and has looked equally solid after it. To me it was a fluke thing and his talk about an injury seems legit. There isn't a guy in MMA that can check a kick like Pearson that is why i bet him against Barbosa and some might say he won that fight. Swanson to me was a stiff till he switched to Jacksons camp. His hands look great against Roop. His emotions after the fight looks to me that he has finally taken the next step and taken MMA for real. Tough fight to bet plus ya got the DWI Pearson had a month or two ago. What is that all about? Just a stupid mistake or something bigger? Fisher to me has that looked of a washed up fighter buying his time. He will have his moments but Stout should pull this one out unless it is a shit decision. Fisher to me only has a shot to win round one and then it is all Stout from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca Fury View Post
    Haven't researched the fight yet, but from what I now about Jardine, this seems like a match setup to get Story an easy win. Rick is coming off two straight losses, so they want to get him an easy win. Brock shouldn't be too much of a test from what I remember.

    But, like I said, that's before research and tape study.
    B. Jardine is a beast. IDK if he's on Story's level, but he's a tough fight for anyone.

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    By E. Spencer Kyte June 13, 2012
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    "I’ve got a great team, great coaches around, and I’m improving all the time. I’ve got great athletes that are helping me in every aspect of this sport, and I’m growing everywhere." - Ross Pearson
    UFC featherweight Ross Pearson
    A lot of fighters on the way up say that they’re willing to do whatever it takes to make their dreams come true. They speak passionately about their willingness to sacrifice whatever it takes in order to be the best fighter they can possibly be. It’s a not a condition reserved for just fighters either — plenty of everyday people talk about their readiness to tackle the difficult decisions in life, only to back away from the challenge when it’s placed before them.

    In just over a year, Ross Pearson made a pair of tough choices for the sake of his career.

    After spending the majority of his career training in his native England with Team Rough House, the 27-year-old Sunderland native decided to make a change at the beginning of last year. In addition to crossing the Atlantic, he traversed the country too, landing in San Diego, California to work with coach Eric Del Fierro and the team at Alliance MMA.

    “It was a hard move — a hard decision to make to come and be out here 100% of the time,” admits Pearson, his accent lessening slightly more with each passing month spent on the West Coast. “I left my family, friends, loved ones back in England, and I’m out here by myself, you know? It was a tough decision, but it was one of the best decisions that I’ve made in my life. I’ve got a great team, great coaches around, and I’m improving all the time. I’ve got great athletes that are helping me in every aspect of this sport, and I’m growing everywhere.”

    With the 15th season of The Ultimate Fighter having wrapped up earlier this month, it’s easy to forget that just a couple years earlier, Pearson was a wide-eyed UFC hopeful, part of Michael Bisping’s UK contingent on Season nine of the long-running reality TV competition.

    When he steps into the cage on June 22, it will be three years and two days since Pearson scored a unanimous decision win over Andre Winner to enter the fraternity of Ultimate Fighter winners. But after a 4-2 run in the 155-pound ranks that included wins over Dennis Siver and Spencer Fisher, and a razor-thin Fight of the Night loss to Edson Barboza last August, Pearson made the second tough decision he hoped would better his career, opting to shed an extra ten pounds to chase his championship dreams as a member of the UFC featherweight division.

    “The cut was tough, man – cutting 22 pounds isn’t nice,” laughs Pearson, who made his featherweight debut at UFC 141 in December. “It doesn’t matter who you are – 22 pounds is a lot to cut, and it’s never fun. In the fight I felt fine. The only thing I felt was that I started slower than what I normally do.”

    Paired off with veteran Junior Assuncao, Pearson scored a unanimous decision win, but came out of the gate a little sluggish. While he found his legs and started to show the striking that had him on the fringes of contention before leaving the lightweight ranks, the former TUF winner wasn’t initially too happy about his first appearance in the cage as a featherweight.

    Now that he’s had some time to reflect on the bout, and begin preparing for his encore, Pearson sees the fight against the awkward Brazilian as a learning experience, and plans to put the lessons he’s learned to good use in Atlantic City next week.

    “Right after the fight when I did my first interview after the fight, I was a little bit disappointed. I was going into that fight wanting to finish, so I think it was just emotions riding high. Having seen the fight played back a few times now, it was a good learning curve. Junior was very unorthodox, and he didn’t approach the fight how I anticipated him to approach the fight, so I had to work the fight out as it was going ahead. It was like a chess match. He was a tricky opponent. He was coming off a good win streak – I think he was undefeated in his last seven fights – so like I said, I had to figure him out as I was going in the fight.

    “I had a great camp for the fight,” continues Pearson. “I prepared to finish the fight, and I think I was just a little bit disappointed that I didn’t get the finish. I tried – I think I had him rocked in the second, and late in the third. I just think that if I started the fight at a higher pace, maybe I could have broken him down a little sooner.”

    For his sophomore appearance as a featherweight, the 14-5 former bricklayer has been slotted opposite another fighter fresh off his first victory in the UFC’s featherweight ranks, WEC vet Cub Swanson.

    The 28-year-old Southern California native dropped his UFC debut back in November, but rebounded two months later with a second round knockout of George Roop. Getting the chance to pair with the always entertaining Team Jackson-Winkeljohn trainee has Pearson excited to get back into the cage.

    “I’ve watched Cub fight for a while now – from the WEC, come across to the UFC – and I like his style. I’m excited to test my skills against Cub. He likes to box, and I come from a boxing background. He likes to throw nice, neat shots; he’s good on his feet, and he moves well, so yeah, I’m looking forward to testing my boxing out against his.

    “He also has some jiu-jitsu skills: he reaches on a good guillotine, and he attacks things quickly. His jiu-jitsu is pretty smooth, and that’s one area that I’ve been working on, just in case the fight does go to the floor. But I’m anticipating a standup fight. I go into pretty much all my fights looking for a standup fight.”

    Pearson’s preparation for this fight shifted from the Alliance home base in San Diego to a familiar setting for the featherweight title hopeful — Las Vegas, Nevada and the Ultimate Fighter Training Center.

    With teammate Dominick Cruz and the entire Alliance coaching staff working with half the hopefuls from the recently completed 15th season, Pearson got a chance to return to the place where his UFC career first got started, and admits that being back in those familiar hallways has fueled his fire even more heading into his bout with Swanson.

    “(It brought back) real good memories of when I started, rekindling that fire. Just being around all the guys – there’s a lot of good individual guys who come in our gym and our camp who are testing me all the time, and that just sparks the fire even more. Having new guys coming in and testing themselves against you — it’s a good time, and a good camp to be in.

    “It’s been a real good learning curve, and it’s been great to be a part of Team Cruz and The Ultimate Fighter. I’ve appreciated helping out and being around it, because it helped me out massively in my career.”

    When he announced his intention of dropping down in weight, Pearson made no bones about seeing the path to championship gold in the featherweight ranks being shorter than the one that stood between him and the lightweight title. With one divisional win under his belt, and designs on earning a second, the man known as “The Real Deal” says he’s on the cusp of contention already.

    “You know, I see myself at the top of the division already, and I have no doubt in that. I think I’m only a fight or two away from being asked for a title shot. I believe I would put on a great fight with Jose Aldo, and I’m sure the fans would really love to see that fight.

    “I’m ready to take my career to the next level, and if the UFC decides to push me for a title shot, I’m ready. I’ve been in the UFC now – this will be my eighth fight – and I’ve had the whole time on The Ultimate Fighter show. I’m not a newcomer to this sport; I’ve been around for a long time, and I’m ready for that step up.”

    Uncertainty stops a lot of people from making the difficult decisions in life. Not knowing how things will turn out makes continuing on less daunting than changing course and charging ahead into the unknown. With more than a year in the U.S. under his belt, and a successful transition to the featherweight division underway, the charismatic Brit knows the difficult decisions he made in 2011 were the right choices for his career.

    “I think I’ve been out here training with some of the best guys in the world with Team Alliance MMA, and I’ve just come on in leaps and bounds. I’ve always said from the very beginning that I want to show people that I’m a mixed martial artist — I’m not just a striker, I’m not just a boxer, I’m not just a Thai boxer — and that’s what I’m starting to develop now.

    “I’m starting to bring together every aspect of mixed martial arts. I’m starting to put everything together how it should be – how it fits in my fighting style – and it’s helped my game out a lot, and I definitely think that it’s been a wise move for me – career-wise – to drop down a division.”

    On June 22, Pearson hopes to showcase the new and sharpened skills that have come from sacrificing friends, family, and familiar surroundings, not to mention an extra ten pounds. While he hopes to make a lasting impression with the UFC brass, more than anything, the former Ultimate Fighter winner and featherweight title hopeful wants to send the fans home happy.

    “I come to entertain. I come to put on a fight for the fans,” Pearson says in closing. “I feel it’s my job – the fans pay good money to come and see a good fight, and I enjoy a good fight, you know? It’s weird to say, but I enjoy getting punched in the face, kicked in the leg, and seeing how much I can take, and give back.

    “I really do enjoy a good fight. I like being tested. I want to see how far I can go in this sport, and the best guys I can be faced against. Fans, just be ready for a great fight because I’m ready to deliver a great fight.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseychi View Post
    B. Jardine is a beast. IDK if he's on Story's level, but he's a tough fight for anyone.
    Last time i bet Story against some guy who came out of nowhere i ate 4 to 1 odds. Also the last time i bet a fight where i didn't at least have one look at each fighter

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    Ebersole opens at -230 on 5Dimes.

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    I still cant bet the fight on Sportsbook, he's at -200 now

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    Not completely sold on Ebersole in this matchup, especially not at the current odds.

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    Took -260
    rinse repeat of the Hallman matchup
    ebersole is too big for him. As long as he doesnt lay in guard I like his chances

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitooch View Post
    Not completely sold on Ebersole in this matchup, especially not at the current odds.
    I agree, this is a fight Ebersole can lose. Waldburger looks better every fight. I think there may be better opportunities on props for this fight though.

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    [QUOTE=Thor4140;15058382]Last time i bet Story against some guy who came out of nowhere i ate 4 to 1 odds. Also the last time i bet a fight where i didn't at least have one look at each fighter[/QUOTE

    You're forgetting, Story took that fight not just on short notice, but two weeks after he had just fought a tough fight. Plus, despite his recent loses, Charlie Brenneman is a tough match-up for many people.

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    [QUOTE=Jerseychi;15062926]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    Last time i bet Story against some guy who came out of nowhere i ate 4 to 1 odds. Also the last time i bet a fight where i didn't at least have one look at each fighter[/QUOTE

    You're forgetting, Story took that fight not just on short notice, but two weeks after he had just fought a tough fight. Plus, despite his recent loses, Charlie Brenneman is a tough match-up for many people.
    Especially tough for Story who despite having decent enough offensive wrestling has pretty mediocre defensive wrestling.

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