UFC Fight Night: Chiesa vs. Lee (June 25, 2017)

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  • PaperTrail07
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    #106
    Crazy to go big here IMO....close fight that could be determined by a reversal or something wild and quick .....hard to call GL....not betting main much.....chisea always seems to impress though...tough call Lee is a beast...
    Originally posted by Rich Benjamins
    I agree and I'm betting big on Lee. You can see the huge improvements in Lee's game. Compare his fight vs Escudero and vs Trinaldo. He is much more aggressive now and thinks strategically, mixing up his boxing, kicks, and takedowns. I think we'll see an even better Lee vs Chiesa. Not to say it will be an easy fight, but I think Lee can strategically pick Chiesa apart on the feet, and get takedowns.
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    • Rich Benjamins
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      • 12-15-15
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      #107
      Yea, I reget overbetting on Lee. Hopefully I can hedge out of some if the line keeps going his way. I should've put more on Koch and Vettori when the lines were better for them.

      Originally posted by PaperTrail07
      Crazy to go big here IMO....close fight that could be determined by a reversal or something wild and quick .....hard to call GL....not betting main much.....chisea always seems to impress though...tough call Lee is a beast...
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      • PaperTrail07
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        #108
        Hendricks, Koch, Siver...
        Originally posted by Rich Benjamins
        Yea, I reget overbetting on Lee. Hopefully I can hedge out of some if the line keeps going his way. I should've put more on Koch and Vettori when the lines were better for them.
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        • Hugo de Naranja
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          #109
          Originally posted by PaperTrail07
          Hendricks, Koch, Siver...
          Calling his shots, I like it.
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          • Shagdogy
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            #110
            Uuuuugh. As crazy as it is, a small play on BJ Penn might be worth it. Siver may have a slight advantage on the feet, but he's not gonna put BJ Penn away, and there's a chance BJ will land some punches over top of Siver's kicks, and/or use his kicks as an opportunity to close the distance and pressure to the cage. If (and this is a big if) BJ can take Siver down, then by far the biggest advantage either guy has in this fight is BJ in top position on Siver. If BJ can get Siver on his back, he will win. Even at 38 and frail as he has looked, BJ's top game is too natural. I'm sure he can still do damage there. Siver was mounted by McGregor and Kawajiri in his last two fights. At +200 BJ is worth a small play, as much as I hate to say it.
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            • Ty$
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              #111
              Originally posted by PaperTrail07
              Fight is hard as F to call IMO...I sadly like the favs again...

              Big on them too...

              Hendrix -3.5
              Siver -3.5
              Koch -3.5

              Hoping to catch + $ here.....
              Koch has good chance of finishing I feel
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              • firekillex
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                #112
                lol when guida is +280 straight but +250 decision on 5 dimes
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                • JIBBBY
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                  #113
                  I can already tell I'll be hedging alot in this event.. Can't trust cans need back up ..

                  Props are out and I'm looking them over now and I like the odds I'm seeing on some of the props for hedge plays..!!!
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                  • NUTSonYAchin
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                    • 05-08-17
                    • 337

                    #114
                    They should put Penn vs Siver on comedy central. 2 washed up cans even though one is somehow the goat LW.
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                    • JIBBBY
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                      • 12-10-09
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                      Here is part 1 of MMAmania's write up.. Covers the Case/Martin fight ^^^




                      145 lbs.: Jared Gordon vs. Michel Quinones

                      This fight was supposed to happen at UFC 211 before Jared Gordon (12-1) got food poisoning, so I’m just going to go ahead and paste what I wrote last time.
                      “Flash” — though not the SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE, rebounded from his first career loss to Jeff Lentz by winning the CFFC Featherweight title. In his first defense, he impressed Dana White and Co. enough to be the latest Lookin’ for a Fight acquisition.
                      He has knocked out five opponents and submitted another two.
                      A striker out of American Top Team, Michel Quinones (8-1) knocked out three consecutive opponents in the first round, including The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 22 competitor Billy Quarantillo to earn a call up to Titan FC. There, he picked up just his second decision win over previously unbeaten Caio Uruguai.
                      He was originally set to debut in February against Alexander Volkanovski before suffering an injury.
                      There’s not much out there on Gordon save highlights, but thankfully, Fight Pass has Quinones’ last fight. “El Capo” is an aggressive, powerful striker with a tricky left leg, but has a tendency to rush forward when attacking in combination and open himself up to counters. What I can piece together of Gordon suggests a strong wrestler with pop in his hands.
                      While they’re both solid, Gordon gets my tentative nod. He looks capable on the counter and, though Quinones’ takedown defense looked stout, those charges are just begging for a well-timed double-leg takedown. Gordon mixes striking and takedowns for a decision win.
                      Prediction: Gordon via unanimous decision

                      205 lbs.: Josh Stansbury vs. Jeremy Kimball


                      Team Joanna’s first Light Heavyweight pick on TUF 23, Josh Stansbury (8-3) defeated Abdel Medjedoub in the quarterfinals before a knockout loss to Khalil Rountree ended his run in the semifinals. He went on to beat Team Claudia’s Cory Hendricks at the Finale and lose a decision to Devin Clark at the next Finale four months later.
                      He will have two inches of height and reach on the 6’ Jeremy Kimball (14-6).
                      Knockouts of former TUF finalist Matt Van Buren and Croatian veteran Maro Perak earned Kimball a call up to UFC, where he faced Brazil’s Marcos Rogerio de Lima on short notice. “Pezao’s” power proved too much as he handed Kimball the first knockout loss of his professional career midway through the first round.
                      Ten of his 14 professional wins have come via (technical) knockout.
                      What I said last time remains true: Kimball is not a Light Heavyweight, he’s a Middleweight with zero discipline. He honestly reminds me a bit of Chris “Beast Boy” Barnett in that he’s a quality athlete with more flexibility than you’d expect, but he could be so much more.
                      The size issue and his iffy takedown defense may doom him here. Though he’s a lot faster and smoother than Stansbury on the feet, I’m not convinced he can stay there long enough to drop the hammer. So long as Stansbury comes out looking to wrestle, expect him to overpower Kimball for a decision win.
                      Prediction: Stansbury via unanimous decision

                      155 lbs.: Tony Martin vs. Johnny Case


                      Despite his strength and grappling skills, Tony Martin (11-3) opened his UFC career 1-3, thrice gassing out in fights he was winning. He’s shown a bit more longevity in recent times, submitting Felipe Olivieri in the third round and taking a decision over Alex White.
                      Eight of his professional wins have come by submission.
                      A shaky split decision over E.J. Brooks in his last pre-UFC appearance gave way to four consecutive wins, including a savage guillotine against Kazuki Tokudome and a beatdown of Frankie Perez. This set the stage for a prospect clash with Jake Matthews, who submitted Johnny Case (22-5) with just 15 seconds left in the fight.
                      This will be “Hollywood’s” first fight in 15 months.
                      I’m a fan of Case, but his last few performances have been decidedly iffy. The Cabral fight in particular raises eyebrows as, while an ace on the mat, the Brazilian’s takedowns are decidedly substandard and yet produced results.
                      Martin’s aren’t. The man is colossal for the division and extremely adept from top position. Though Case is by far the smoother and more powerful striker, he may not have the necessary takedown defense to ply his craft, especially since Martin’s cardio seems to finally be worth a damn. Careful takedowns and top pressure carry Martin to a submission victory.
                      Prediction: Martin via second-round submission
                      Part 2 -



                      155 lbs.: Clay Guida vs. Erik Koch

                      Following consecutive losses to Benson Henderson and Gray Maynard, Clay Guida (32-17) made the drop to 145 pounds and started strong with decisions over Hatsu Hioki and Tatsuya Kawajiri in his first three fights. He’s just 1-3 since, however, suffering stoppage losses to Dennis Bermudez, Thiago Tavares and Brian Ortega.

                      He will give up three inches of height to Erik Koch (15-4), though their reach is identical.
                      It’s been nearly six years since Koch defeated Jonathan Brookins and was subsequently tabbed to face Jose Aldo and almost 4.5 since the brutal knockout loss to Ricardo Lamas that triggered a 1-3 run. He was last seen in May 2016, choking out Shane Campbell at UFC Fight Night 88.
                      This will be just his second fight since May 2014.
                      The Guida conundrum used to be that he had the cardio to try takedowns until one of them worked, the chin to shrug off any strikes on the way in, and the submission defense to sit in guard for an indefinite period of time without issue. The last two things no longer seem to be the case — “The Carpenter” has been finished repeatedly in recent years and is just 3-6 since his execrable 2011 fight with Anthony Pettis.
                      Koch, though an underachiever, has solid power and quality grappling when he actually makes it to fight night. A Guida snoozefest wouldn’t be surprising, but I say Koch clips him and locks up a submission off a desperate Guida takedown.
                      Prediction: Koch via second-round submission

                      115 lbs.: Carla Esparza vs. Maryna Moroz


                      Carla Esparza (11-4) ran the table on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 20, ultimately submitting Rose Namajunas at the Finale to become the inaugural UFC Strawweight champion. She’s fought just three times since that Dec. 2014 battle, losing her belt to Joanna Jedrzejczyk before defeating Juliana Lima and dropping a close split decision to Randa Markos.

                      She will give up six inches of height and four inches of reach to the 5’7” Maryna Moroz (8-1).
                      Moroz sent shockwaves through UFC’s Strawweight division in 2015 when she armbarred top striker Joanne Calderwood in Krakow. An upset loss to Valerie Letourneau slowed her roll, but she rebounded with decisions over Cristina Stanciu and Danielle Taylor.
                      “The Iron Lady” owns five wins via form of armbar.
                      The Esparza playbook remains simple: If she can score takedowns, she wins. The majority of mixed martial arts (MMA) media scored the Markos fight for her and Moroz — a striking specialist with a slick armbar but little in the way of strong wrestling — figures to be an easier stylistic match up.
                      Significant as the height and reach differences are, Moroz has neither the stopping power nor command of range to make Esparza hesitate on her shots. Esparza grinds her down to return to the win column.
                      Prediction: Esparza via unanimous decision

                      155 lbs.: Devin Powell vs. Darrell Horcher


                      Devin Powell (8-2) — one of Dana White’s “Lookin’ for a Fight” acquisitions — entered UFC on a six-fight win streak, four of them via finish. He made his debut in January against MMA Lab prospect Drakkar Klose, who did enough damage at close range to take the decision.

                      He stands two inches taller than Darrell Horcher at 5’10.”
                      When Tony Ferguson pulled out of his fight with Khabib Nurmagomedov on short notice, Horcher put his five-fight win streak on the line to step up. Nurmagomedov proceeded to maul him and, soon afterward, Horcher suffered a motorcycle accident that’s kept him out of action for a year.
                      Six of his 12 professional wins have come by form of knockout.
                      He made it the distance with Klose when I didn’t expect him to, but I stand by my assessment that Powell just isn’t very good. He’s got a very limited wrestling game and his freeform striking, while decently powerful, leaves him very open to counters. Without the credible threat of a takedown, he’s in an uphill battle against a smoother and more dangerous puncher, especially since he tends to back straight up and throw naked kicks.
                      Horcher’s got speed and power; provided the accident didn’t knock those out of his body, that’s enough for me to pick him.
                      Prediction: Horcher by unanimous decision
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                      • Shagdogy
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                        • 06-16-10
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                        #116
                        Originally posted by JIBBBY

                        155 lbs.: Devin Powell vs. Darrell Horcher


                        Devin Powell (8-2) — one of Dana White’s “Lookin’ for a Fight” acquisitions — entered UFC on a six-fight win streak, four of them via finish. He made his debut in January against MMA Lab prospect Drakkar Klose, who did enough damage at close range to take the decision.

                        He stands two inches taller than Darrell Horcher at 5’10.”
                        When Tony Ferguson pulled out of his fight with Khabib Nurmagomedov on short notice, Horcher put his five-fight win streak on the line to step up. Nurmagomedov proceeded to maul him and, soon afterward, Horcher suffered a motorcycle accident that’s kept him out of action for a year.
                        Six of his 12 professional wins have come by form of knockout.
                        He made it the distance with Klose when I didn’t expect him to, but I stand by my assessment that Powell just isn’t very good. He’s got a very limited wrestling game and his freeform striking, while decently powerful, leaves him very open to counters. Without the credible threat of a takedown, he’s in an uphill battle against a smoother and more dangerous puncher, especially since he tends to back straight up and throw naked kicks.
                        Horcher’s got speed and power; provided the accident didn’t knock those out of his body, that’s enough for me to pick him.
                        Prediction: Horcher by unanimous decision
                        Where does this guy see power in Powell's strikes? Dude can't hurt a fly.
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                        • JIBBBY
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by Shagdogy
                          Where does this guy see power in Powell's strikes? Dude can't hurt a fly.
                          He does have 2 ko wins in his last 6 fights.. I agree with ya Shag, by no means is Powell a power puncher.http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Devin-Powell-64166

                          Atleast he picked Horcher to win as I do also and by decision.. ...

                          Wish the odds weren't so stingy with the prop though... I'm probably still in though..

                          1911 Horcher wins by 3 round decision -102

                          Straight odds are untouchable unless in a parlay and even that's probably not worth it..

                          UFC Fight Night 112 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - FS2
                          Sun 6/25 1901 Devin Powell +335 o2½ -165
                          7:00PM 1902 Darrell Horcher -420 u2½ +145
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                          • PaperTrail07
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                            #118
                            $55.00 $242.40 Pending 4 Team Parlay
                            Pending 6/25/17 11:00pm UFC Fighting 1102 Johny Hendricks -220* vs Tim Boetsch
                            Pending 6/25/17 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1502 Dennis Siver -210* vs BJ Penn
                            Pending 6/25/17 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1602 Erik Koch -345* vs Clay Guida
                            Pending 6/24/17 11:30pm Bellator Fighting 3101 Fedor Emelianenko -105* vs Matt Mitrione
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                            • PaperTrail07
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                              #119
                              I think the 100 opposite.....Sivers Small frame will make it hard to take him down....his TDD is pretty solid IMO....Siver was overwhelmed with power and speed in his last two fights...crusher and McG cant be compare to BJ "hang the fuckn gloves up" penn.....30-27 siver.
                              Originally posted by Shagdogy
                              Uuuuugh. As crazy as it is, a small play on BJ Penn might be worth it. Siver may have a slight advantage on the feet, but he's not gonna put BJ Penn away, and there's a chance BJ will land some punches over top of Siver's kicks, and/or use his kicks as an opportunity to close the distance and pressure to the cage. If (and this is a big if) BJ can take Siver down, then by far the biggest advantage either guy has in this fight is BJ in top position on Siver. If BJ can get Siver on his back, he will win. Even at 38 and frail as he has looked, BJ's top game is too natural. I'm sure he can still do damage there. Siver was mounted by McGregor and Kawajiri in his last two fights. At +200 BJ is worth a small play, as much as I hate to say it.
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                              • JIBBBY
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                                #120
                                ^^ Meat head might beat Fedor Paper..

                                Fedor is another old washed up can these days that gets badly wobbled and rocked in just about every fight now.. Meathead Mitrione has a little bit of youth and size on Fedor but he is a goof and can too... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Matt-Mitrione-49519

                                I'm going with Matrione and by KO myself if the prop ever comes out???..

                                Fedor Emelianenko vs Matt Mitrione - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator NYC
                                Sat 6/24 3103 Emelianenko / Mitrione goes 3 round dist +350
                                11:30PM 3104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance -530
                                Sat 6/24 3105 Emelianenko wins inside distance +149
                                11:30PM 3106 Not Emelianenko inside distance -189
                                Sat 6/24 3107 Emelianenko wins by 3 round decision +745
                                11:30PM 3108 Not Emelianenko by 3 round decision -1575
                                Sat 6/24 3109 Mitrione wins inside distance +105
                                11:30PM 3110 Not Mitrione inside distance -145
                                Sat 6/24 3111 Mitrione wins by 3 round decision +615
                                11:30PM 3112 Not Mitrione by 3 round decision -1245
                                Sat 6/24 3113 Emelianenko / Mitrione draw +6500
                                11:30PM 3114 Fight not a draw -16500
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                                • PaperTrail07
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                                  #121
                                  His only win in the last 10 years is VS Matt Hughes (hope the situation improves)....literally 10 years....
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                                  • Hugo de Naranja
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                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                    ^^ Meat head might beat Fedor Paper..

                                    Fedor is another old washed up can these days that gets badly wobbled and rocked in just about every fight now.. Meathead Mitrione has a little bit of youth and size on Fedor but he is a goof and can too... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Matt-Mitrione-49519

                                    I'm going with Matrione and by KO myself if the prop ever comes out???..

                                    Fedor Emelianenko vs Matt Mitrione - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator NYC
                                    Sat 6/24 3103 Emelianenko / Mitrione goes 3 round dist +350
                                    11:30PM 3104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance -530
                                    Sat 6/24 3105 Emelianenko wins inside distance +149
                                    11:30PM 3106 Not Emelianenko inside distance -189
                                    Sat 6/24 3107 Emelianenko wins by 3 round decision +745
                                    11:30PM 3108 Not Emelianenko by 3 round decision -1575
                                    Sat 6/24 3109 Mitrione wins inside distance +105
                                    11:30PM 3110 Not Mitrione inside distance -145
                                    Sat 6/24 3111 Mitrione wins by 3 round decision +615
                                    11:30PM 3112 Not Mitrione by 3 round decision -1245
                                    Sat 6/24 3113 Emelianenko / Mitrione draw +6500
                                    11:30PM 3114 Fight not a draw -16500
                                    Wrong thread bud
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                                    • firekillex
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                                      #123
                                      4 fight parlay to only get 4x value is a suckers bet imo
                                      especially 4 fights that can go either way id need 10x value min

                                      gl though cant see that hitting though
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                                      • firekillex
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                                        #124
                                        jibby aka everybody not top 15 is a can lmao
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                                        • PaperTrail07
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                                          #125
                                          he could jibbers....like fedor to land a punch and TKO him tho
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                                          • PaperTrail07
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                                            #126
                                            little over 4....and I see big value in KOCH and SIVER....normally I would agree with you...I think they both should be -550
                                            Originally posted by firekillex
                                            4 fight parlay to only get 4x value is a suckers bet imo
                                            especially 4 fights that can go either way id need 10x value min

                                            gl though cant see that hitting though
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                                            • PaperTrail07
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                                              #127
                                              lol right
                                              Originally posted by firekillex
                                              jibby aka everybody not top 15 is a can lmao
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                                              • PaperTrail07
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                                                #128
                                                Really why its a 50$ play.....I'm waiting on the -3.5's on the other fights....
                                                Originally posted by firekillex
                                                4 fight parlay to only get 4x value is a suckers bet imo
                                                especially 4 fights that can go either way id need 10x value min

                                                gl though cant see that hitting though
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                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                  Wrong thread bud
                                                  I didn't even see the Belator thread yet.. Lol..
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                                                  • Shagdogy
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                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                                    I think the 100 opposite.....Sivers Small frame will make it hard to take him down....his TDD is pretty solid IMO....Siver was overwhelmed with power and speed in his last two fights...crusher and McG cant be compare to BJ "hang the fuckn gloves up" penn.....30-27 siver.
                                                    You might be right, but Siver's offense has been pretty terrible lately. He's so dependent on his spinning back kick to the body that it's pretty much the only thing that can hurt BJ. He can score points and win 30-27, sure. But he can't hurt him unless he lands that kick flush to his midsection. The problem is he throws so many kicks, and if they don't hurt BJ (like Yair's kicks definitely did) then BJ will use them to close the distance. It won't be easy but IF he gets that takedown I think his advantage in top position is much greater than Siver's advantage on the feet. It's a crappy fight either way and I've probably already spent too much time thinking about it. Good luck.
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                                                    • Shagdogy
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                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                      He does have 2 ko wins in his last 6 fights.. I agree with ya Shag, by no means is Powell a power puncher.http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Devin-Powell-64166

                                                      Atleast he picked Horcher to win as I do also and by decision.. ...

                                                      Wish the odds weren't so stingy with the prop though... I'm probably still in though..

                                                      1911 Horcher wins by 3 round decision -102

                                                      Straight odds are untouchable unless in a parlay and even that's probably not worth it..

                                                      UFC Fight Night 112 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - FS2
                                                      Sun 6/25 1901 Devin Powell +335 o2½ -165
                                                      7:00PM 1902 Darrell Horcher -420 u2½ +145
                                                      I got on Horcher straight at -320. That was pushing it but I took it cause I really just think Powell is garbage. More I think about it, there's no reason Powell deserves a 2nd fight, except that Horcher is due a favor for stepping in an impossible situation to fight Khabib, and a win after a year off from a motorcycle accident is a decent story. Powell is only getting this fight cause UFC is doing Horcher a favor IMO.
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                                                      • JIBBBY
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by firekillex
                                                        jibby aka everybody not top 15 is a can lmao
                                                        All cans!!!

                                                        I look at it this way - if you're old (40ish) and the sport has clearly passed you by, your losing fights and or even getting KO'd like clockwork I gotta label you as a can.. If you just suck then you're a can too.. Is what it is..

                                                        It's just a damn shame this event is full of cans fighting cans... Makes it very tricky to bet.. I'd prefer a can fighting a top 10 fighter in the UFC..

                                                        Wiki definition of a Tomato can will back me up .. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_can_(sports_idiom)

                                                        Current fighters that recently graduated to can status below in the HW division.. You know I'm right on this Fire..






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                                                        • firekillex
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                                                          #133
                                                          Mitrione isn't a can imo he could beat any Hw ranked 5+ in the UFC on a good night
                                                          can to me would be a guy who should retire , anybody top 25 in the entire world of fighting in their division is an automatic solid figher in my eyes .. that's like calling Damien Lillard a can in NBA or calling russel Wilson a can in NFL..

                                                          Antonio silva is a certified can but he's not in this card or the UFC ... and Andrei alrovksi is an old gatekeeper at this point he just got edged by decision to a top 15 ranked Hw on planet earth.. a "can" would be kod first round by any top 25 talent imo

                                                          this card and bellator you said is all cans Lmao
                                                          michael chiesa , kevin lee , boetsch and Hendricks gate keepers, herrig, means, Garcia, Esparza, guida, Koch I wouldn't call any of them cans tbh

                                                          bellator
                                                          mitrione, Larkin , Lima , Davis, bader, chandler .. plus up and comers in primus , picco and Gallagher


                                                          Like I said the term "can" is thrown around way to much there's elite top5, great fighters top10, solid fighters top15, gatekeepers 16-30 range , up and comers always then "cans" who would usually be a shitty fighter or a great fighter who's stuck around far to long into there 40s or is Chinny after multiple kos.. a can would be starched by any gatekeeper or better and would struggle to be in the UFC or ultimate fighter competition imo
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                                                          • Shagdogy
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                                                            #134
                                                            Nobody talking about the Means/Garcia fight? I like Tim Means a lot as a fighter, but I know a lot of us are mad at him for losing that rematch with Oliveira. Anyway, I think Means will pepper Garcia badly with his striking. The question is whether or not he's going to be able to stay on his feet enough to get the finish. I don't like to hedge often, but Means TKO/KO is +110 and Garcia decision is +465. Seems like easy money. If it stays on the feet, Garcia won't survive. If it doesn't, then Garcia wins decision... at least I think.
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                                                            • firekillex
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                                                              #135
                                                              already took means tko prop
                                                              dont like garcia will be able to handle the pressure of Means coming off a loss hell be hungry
                                                              round 2/3 stoppage imo ... garcia dangerous round 1.5 or under though guys super explosive , hector lombard type
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                                                              • Shagdogy
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                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by firekillex
                                                                already took means tko prop
                                                                dont like garcia will be able to handle the pressure of Means coming off a loss hell be hungry
                                                                round 2/3 stoppage imo ... garcia dangerous round 1.5 or under though guys super explosive , hector lombard type
                                                                Agreed but he's not gonna KO Means with those single bomb shots. Probably won't even land many. It's the takedowns. If he can smother for 2 rds and then survive that's his path to victory.
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                                                                • JIBBBY
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 12-10-09
                                                                  • 83686

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by firekillex
                                                                  Mitrione isn't a can imo he could beat any Hw ranked 5+ in the UFC on a good night
                                                                  can to me would be a guy who should retire , anybody top 25 in the entire world of fighting in their division is an automatic solid figher in my eyes .. that's like calling Damien Lillard a can in NBA or calling russel Wilson a can in NFL..

                                                                  Antonio silva is a certified can but he's not in this card or the UFC ... and Andrei alrovksi is an old gatekeeper at this point he just got edged by decision to a top 15 ranked Hw on planet earth.. a "can" would be kod first round by any top 25 talent imo

                                                                  this card and bellator you said is all cans Lmao
                                                                  michael chiesa , kevin lee , boetsch and Hendricks gate keepers, herrig, means, Garcia, Esparza, guida, Koch I wouldn't call any of them cans tbh

                                                                  bellator
                                                                  mitrione, Larkin , Lima , Davis, bader, chandler .. plus up and comers in primus , picco and Gallagher


                                                                  Like I said the term "can" is thrown around way to much there's elite top5, great fighters top10, solid fighters top15, gatekeepers 16-30 range , up and comers always then "cans" who would usually be a shitty fighter or a great fighter who's stuck around far to long into there 40s or is Chinny after multiple kos.. a can would be starched by any gatekeeper or better and would struggle to be in the UFC or ultimate fighter competition imo
                                                                  I didn't say all cans come on Fire cut me some slack man..

                                                                  There are many cans on these cards though.. In the short list you mentioned in bold above I think only Tim Boetch and Guida are cans and will get smoked.. I thought for a minute Johnny Hendricks was a can but he won his last fight, looked good and lean now.. He should be good enough still to beat Timmy..

                                                                  All the other guys you mentioned not cans.. Meat Head Mitrone not a total can yet but flirting with that can status... Fedor as well.. Since Fedors chin is shot I think he is can...
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                                                                  • Demonata
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 07-12-11
                                                                    • 25829

                                                                    #138
                                                                    There's almost no cans on this card. Its gonna be epic.
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 12-10-09
                                                                      • 83686

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                      Nobody talking about the Means/Garcia fight? I like Tim Means a lot as a fighter, but I know a lot of us are mad at him for losing that rematch with Oliveira. Anyway, I think Means will pepper Garcia badly with his striking. The question is whether or not he's going to be able to stay on his feet enough to get the finish. I don't like to hedge often, but Means TKO/KO is +110 and Garcia decision is +465. Seems like easy money. If it stays on the feet, Garcia won't survive. If it doesn't, then Garcia wins decision... at least I think.
                                                                      Like Dirty Bird also.. Straight odds are jacked so KO not a bad idea.. Garcia will be game though... Means really could use this win coming off the last loss..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tim-Means-11281

                                                                      Odds are a bit skinny on the KO prop but probably for a reason..

                                                                      1433 Means wins by TKO/KO +110

                                                                      UFC Fight Night 112 - Welterweight 3 rounds - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - FS1
                                                                      Sun 6/25 1401 Alex Garcia +205 o1½ -140
                                                                      9:30PM 1402 Tim Means -245 u1½ +120
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                                                                      • PaperTrail07
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 08-29-08
                                                                        • 20423

                                                                        #140
                                                                        BC its tough to call lol...
                                                                        Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                        Nobody talking about the Means/Garcia fight? I like Tim Means a lot as a fighter, but I know a lot of us are mad at him for losing that rematch with Oliveira. Anyway, I think Means will pepper Garcia badly with his striking. The question is whether or not he's going to be able to stay on his feet enough to get the finish. I don't like to hedge often, but Means TKO/KO is +110 and Garcia decision is +465. Seems like easy money. If it stays on the feet, Garcia won't survive. If it doesn't, then Garcia wins decision... at least I think.
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