UFC on FOX 23: Shevchenko vs. Pena (January 28, 2017)

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  • Shagdogy
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    #106
    Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
    It's because De Lima is the ultimate glass cannon + he has horrendous submission defense for a "BJJ black belt." I'd say if you like De Lima try betting the Round 1 (+155) or KO/TKO (+175) props.
    Hm. Disagree. I think his submission defense is just average. Krylov beat him up to get the RNC and Gadzhimurad has a serious guillotine. It's one of those subs that guys assume they will defend no problem, and then they get caught in someone who is just freakishly good at it and they tap before they know it. I can forgive him for that. Besides, Kimball isn't subbing anyone so it won't come in to play anyway. I agree De Lima isn't some world class guy to feel great about, but I think he's good to go in this fight.
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    • Hugo de Naranja
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      #107
      Originally posted by Shagdogy
      Hm. Disagree. I think his submission defense is just average. Krylov beat him up to get the RNC and Gadzhimurad has a serious guillotine. It's one of those subs that guys assume they will defend no problem, and then they get caught in someone who is just freakishly good at it and they tap before they know it. I can forgive him for that. Besides, Kimball isn't subbing anyone so it won't come in to play anyway. I agree De Lima isn't some world class guy to feel great about, but I think he's good to go in this fight.
      Fair enough. I think De Lima gets a first round finish or loses but we'll see.
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      • Shagdogy
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        #108
        Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
        Fair enough. I think De Lima gets a first round finish or loses but we'll see.
        Good luck with the props. I'm a simple man. I play straight and that's it except for rare occasions. Slow and steady hopefully.
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        • Hugo de Naranja
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          #109
          Originally posted by CaptChaos145
          Ok I see Colorado did not accept the new rule changes but I wonder if they are allowing the new scoring criteria? I did some research and I could not find anything definitive.
          I could definitely see a draw something like
          Round 1: Pena 10-8
          Round 2: Pena 10-9
          Round 3: Shevchenko 10-9
          Round 4: Shevchenko 10-9
          Round 5: Shevchenko 10-9
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          • Hugo de Naranja
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            #110
            Originally posted by Shagdogy
            Good luck with the props. I'm a simple man. I play straight and that's it except for rare occasions. Slow and steady hopefully.
            Fair enough. I hope ya cash it.
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            • Sanity Check
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              • 03-30-13
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              #111
              Originally posted by Shagdogy
              Guys, why is De Lima only -175?? Jeremy Kimball is going to be WAY undersized in this fight and is coming in on a week's notice. This is fishy as hell IMO. Anyone else think this is absurd value? The only chance Kimball has in this fight is to survive some serious time underneath De Lima and hope that he gasses. That's a scary place to be. I think De Lima finishes him.
              Kimball has wins over Chidi Njokuani, Matt Van Buren and Matt Speer.

              2 of those guys fought in the UFC. Njokuani hasn't fought in the UFC yet but he's on that level.

              De Lima is 1-2 in his last 3 UFC fights & his only win there is against Clint Hester who fought moved up to 205 from 185 for that fight.

              De Lima was finished in the 1st round in both losses of his last 3.

              If Kimball is significantly smaller(I don't know if he is or isn't), he might not cut weight to make 205, which could be an advantage.
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              • TPowell
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                #112
                Originally posted by Shagdogy
                I've seen a few people saying his takedown defense isn't good enough to fight Spicely, but I'm not convinced. I don't think he was really worried about defending takedowns at all vs. Mclellan and going back through his fights there's just not much to see about his TDD one way or the other. However, I think the altitude actually helps De Chirico because he moves much easier on the feet and Spicely tends to get desperate and chase takedowns if they don't come easy to him. Between Spicely's soft chin and desperation for takedowns, I don't really see any reason to bet him. Granted, if he comes in and gets the early takedown he is a BEAST on the mat. If he doesn't get it early though, I think Di Chirico could end up being the better conditioned guy, and I definitely think he's the mentally tougher of the two. I'll prob be laying off this fight.

                maybe so but I'm not banking on an Italian having ANY real wrestling chops at this level. The fact that McClellan took him down is embarrassing. Chirico likes to shoot for take-downs himself at times and that isn't what you want to do in this match-up. I think his striking is very overrated and I don't think he has ANY real power at this level for MW. Spicely probably needs to finish to win this fight because I could see him losing the striking exchanges but I can't see him getting finished by this guy, even if his chin is a little suspect. To top it all off, Chirico likes to fire one off strikes and not combine his strikes. That isn't a good sign in a guy that wants to rely on being a point fighter.
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                • TPowell
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                  #113
                  Here's a hedge tip. De Lima and Da Silva R1 and their opponents in R2, R3, or by decision. I really like my +525 on Da Silva in Round 1 but Johnson R2 at +500 looks pretty tempting and then maybe splash some on R3 at +800 but there's no way that this fight hits the scorecards IMO. In theory, you lean towards overs on this card but Da Silva will fold and quit in this fight. Johnson is in on only 2-3 weeks notice but he has VERY good cardio for a LHW and has a serious wrestling pedigree as well. I think he'll get Da Silva down and Da Silva will break when he realizes he can't score a one off submission from bottom. He may just pound Da Silva out but the sub will probably be there
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                  • valueguyman
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                    #114
                    Originally posted by TPowell
                    Here's a hedge tip. De Lima and Da Silva R1 and their opponents in R2, R3, or by decision. I really like my +525 on Da Silva in Round 1 but Johnson R2 at +500 looks pretty tempting and then maybe splash some on R3 at +800 but there's no way that this fight hits the scorecards IMO. In theory, you lean towards overs on this card but Da Silva will fold and quit in this fight. Johnson is in on only 2-3 weeks notice but he has VERY good cardio for a LHW and has a serious wrestling pedigree as well. I think he'll get Da Silva down and Da Silva will break when he realizes he can't score a one off submission from bottom. He may just pound Da Silva out but the sub will probably be there
                    Johnson +126 inside distance looks good... Johnson in general is probably the best bet on the card because on paper he has like your saying (serious wrestling pedigree) and not only but that but his jj is winning him no-gi tournaments. His striking isn't special and he takes some shots, so it might not be seem like a lock.. But Da Silva just fought last month where he gased out halfway in the first and got submitted. This is a nightmare match up for him in Denver if he cant get the KO early in the 1st. Johnson looks to have a clear advantage and it probably wont go the full 15.
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                    • TPowell
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by valueguyman
                      Johnson +126 inside distance looks good... Johnson in general is probably the best bet on the card because on paper he has like your saying (serious wrestling pedigree) and not only but that but his jj is winning him no-gi tournaments. His striking isn't special and he takes some shots, so it might not be seem like a lock.. But Da Silva just fought last month where he gased out halfway in the first and got submitted. This is a nightmare match up for him in Denver if he cant get the KO early in the 1st. Johnson looks to have a clear advantage and it probably wont go the full 15.

                      true but Da Silva has proven to be a dangerous fighter early on when he blitzes. I'll probably give Johnson ITD some love but +125 isn't that great
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                      • Hugo de Naranja
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                        #116
                        Pretty big movement on Valentina. Got here for small at (+100) but Pena could definitely win this one.
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                        • Shagdogy
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by TPowell
                          Here's a hedge tip. De Lima and Da Silva R1 and their opponents in R2, R3, or by decision. I really like my +525 on Da Silva in Round 1 but Johnson R2 at +500 looks pretty tempting and then maybe splash some on R3 at +800 but there's no way that this fight hits the scorecards IMO. In theory, you lean towards overs on this card but Da Silva will fold and quit in this fight. Johnson is in on only 2-3 weeks notice but he has VERY good cardio for a LHW and has a serious wrestling pedigree as well. I think he'll get Da Silva down and Da Silva will break when he realizes he can't score a one off submission from bottom. He may just pound Da Silva out but the sub will probably be there
                          Having a hard time brushing up on Johnson. Only really been able to watch one of his fights but wasn't all that impressed. If he's fighting Da Silva from last month vs. Craig, then he will likely smother him. If he's fighting Da Silva from the Christensen or Wilson fights then he's going to be tested on the feet more than he ever has before. Da Silva can throw some serious fire early on in fights and is pretty strong in clinch. If he's in shape and confident he could finish early or even do enough to win 2 rds. Da Silva looked so bad in the fight vs. Craig that something had to be wrong. Injury or something. One month is a real short time to fix whatever went wrong, but I can't look at him in one fight at his worst and assume he'll stay that way. I see the value with Da Silva here at +185. A lot of questions in this fight.
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                          • JIBBBY
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                            #118
                            So where we at? We got weigh ins tonight.. Alrighty then..

                            Can watch on this link - http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/27...weigh-in-video
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                            • PaperTrail07
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                              #119
                              Chidi fights tonight....like his brother...very technically sound....more stand up...
                              Originally posted by Sanity Check
                              Kimball has wins over Chidi Njokuani, Matt Van Buren and Matt Speer.

                              2 of those guys fought in the UFC. Njokuani hasn't fought in the UFC yet but he's on that level.

                              De Lima is 1-2 in his last 3 UFC fights & his only win there is against Clint Hester who fought moved up to 205 from 185 for that fight.

                              De Lima was finished in the 1st round in both losses of his last 3.

                              If Kimball is significantly smaller(I don't know if he is or isn't), he might not cut weight to make 205, which could be an advantage.
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                              • Hugo de Naranja
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                                #120
                                Everyone makes weight except De Lima (209.6)
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                                • Sanity Check
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                                  #121
                                  Open workouts







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                                  • CaptChaos145
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                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                    Sterling has Underperformed so far and I expect the same again...
                                    Underperformed? Mind explaining that logic? Aljo entered the UFc at 25 years old and in less than 2 years was a top 5/10 BW. He started with a 4 fight win streak with 3 finishes and then lost a tough decision to Caraway. I think the kid is doing pretty ok thus far.
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                                    • CaptChaos145
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                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by TPowell
                                      she'll gas about mid-way through round 2 and I'm still not sure she gets Shev on the ground and holds her there that well. Shev has a decent ground game herself. This is Rousey/Nunes except Pena is tougher and Shev doesn't have the power that Nunes has on the feet but is even more technical
                                      Remember Pena was getting tossed around by Cat and Pena got stronger as the fight went on. Shev could pocket a few early rounds and make it hard for Pena to win a decision but I don't trust many fighters against Pena in 5 rounds. Pena is possessed.
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                                      • CaptChaos145
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                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                        I could definitely see a draw something like
                                        Round 1: Pena 10-8
                                        Round 2: Pena 10-9
                                        Round 3: Shevchenko 10-9
                                        Round 4: Shevchenko 10-9
                                        Round 5: Shevchenko 10-9
                                        If Pena gets a 10-8 round in the 1st I think she finishes Shev. I see Shev winning the early rounds with her technical ability. I see Pena doing well late.
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                                        • JIBBBY
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                                          #125
                                          Chick fights are sketchy take the over or distance props..

                                          1003 Pena / Shevchenko goes 5 round distance -140
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                                          • TPowell
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                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by CaptChaos145
                                            Remember Pena was getting tossed around by Cat and Pena got stronger as the fight went on. Shev could pocket a few early rounds and make it hard for Pena to win a decision but I don't trust many fighters against Pena in 5 rounds. Pena is possessed.

                                            Did you see that Holm fight though? Went 5 rounds and Shev looked like a machine cardio wise. Pena will be the one using the most energy here because she'll constantly be shooting because Shev is the best striker in womens MMA right now.
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                                            • Shagdogy
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                                              #127
                                              Some observations so far:

                                              * Ngannou is a scary scary man.
                                              * Knight/Caceres could be fight of the night. Knight prob wins with his relentlessness and pressure.
                                              * Jingliang/Nash is technique vs. size/strength/athleticism. Nash is clearly build like a cyborg but he's stiff like one too. Jingliang should be able to get hands on him, but you can't discount the build and youth of Nash.
                                              * Da Silva/Johnson. Which Da Silva will show up? If we can discount his last fight, then he's a big test for Johnson and I think will win. Lots of unknown though.
                                              * De Lima/Kimball. De Lima will be much bigger and now he even missed weight... size/power advantage is real. But is that a sign he had a rough camp or is out of shape? He needs to take fight serious. If he's ready come fight time, he should be able to bully Kimball but he has to get it done otherwise Kimball takes over as De Lima tires.

                                              So much unknown on this card. Very hard to call. Stick to the underdogs? Caceres, Sterling, Da Silva, Gonzalez all have decent shots.
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                                              • TPowell
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                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                Some observations so far:

                                                * Ngannou is a scary scary man.
                                                * Knight/Caceres could be fight of the night. Knight prob wins with his relentlessness and pressure.
                                                * Jingliang/Nash is technique vs. size/strength/athleticism. Nash is clearly build like a cyborg but he's stiff like one too. Jingliang should be able to get hands on him, but you can't discount the build and youth of Nash.
                                                * Da Silva/Johnson. Which Da Silva will show up? If we can discount his last fight, then he's a big test for Johnson and I think will win. Lots of unknown though.
                                                * De Lima/Kimball. De Lima will be much bigger and now he even missed weight... size/power advantage is real. But is that a sign he had a rough camp or is out of shape? He needs to take fight serious. If he's ready come fight time, he should be able to bully Kimball but he has to get it done otherwise Kimball takes over as De Lima tires.

                                                So much unknown on this card. Very hard to call. Stick to the underdogs? Caceres, Sterling, Da Silva, Gonzalez all have decent shots.
                                                problem is Da Silva and De Lima will gas hard in their fights. Johnson is a potential contender at LHW and should be able to take care of him if he survives early. Kimball is tougher because he could gas as well but I think his cardio will be better. I think the over may be a play in that fight because if both guys gas, we'll be treated to a snoozer. Don't discount Jingliang's toughness and power either. He has technique but he's a tough guy with a lot of heart as well.
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                                                • Shagdogy
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by TPowell
                                                  problem is Da Silva and De Lima will gas hard in their fights. Johnson is a potential contender at LHW and should be able to take care of him if he survives early. Kimball is tougher because he could gas as well but I think his cardio will be better. I think the over may be a play in that fight because if both guys gas, we'll be treated to a snoozer. Don't discount Jingliang's toughness and power either. He has technique but he's a tough guy with a lot of heart as well.
                                                  Def agree with you that Jingliang has toughness. I like everything he has in this fight. I think he will finish Nash. Why are you so high on Johnson? I just haven't been able to find enough of his fights to watch to feel like I know what he really can do. I like that he is at MMA Lab, is young, and has a good gas tank. I hear he has real good wrestling but I haven't been able to see it for myself.

                                                  Finally brushing up on Assuncao and Sterling and I'm thinking that I like Sterling in this fight, especially as the dog. I think he will be hungry off a loss and Assuncao's best days are behind him. I don't see Assuncao being able to have enough offense. Aljo by dec.
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                                                  • TPowell
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                                                    #130
                                                    DK Lineups

                                                    Tourny

                                                    Ngannou
                                                    Spicely
                                                    Shevchenko
                                                    Johnson
                                                    Gonzalez
                                                    Kimball


                                                    CASH

                                                    Ngannou
                                                    Spicely
                                                    Shevchenko
                                                    Pantoja
                                                    Masvidal
                                                    Kimball
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                                                    • TPowell
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                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                      Def agree with you that Jingliang has toughness. I like everything he has in this fight. I think he will finish Nash. Why are you so high on Johnson? I just haven't been able to find enough of his fights to watch to feel like I know what he really can do. I like that he is at MMA Lab, is young, and has a good gas tank. I hear he has real good wrestling but I haven't been able to see it for myself.

                                                      Finally brushing up on Assuncao and Sterling and I'm thinking that I like Sterling in this fight, especially as the dog. I think he will be hungry off a loss and Assuncao's best days are behind him. I don't see Assuncao being able to have enough offense. Aljo by dec.

                                                      Imagine this at LHW, you have a great gas tank and a great wrestling base. You can zap the energy out of most of your weaker opponents by just taking them down and holding them there. By the time they get up, they're gassed and can't finish you. Add to that fact that you have some decent athletic ability as well. Those kind of builds just match up very well with winning at the weaker levels at 205 and 265 IMO.
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                                                      • Shagdogy
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by TPowell
                                                        Imagine this at LHW, you have a great gas tank and a great wrestling base. You can zap the energy out of most of your weaker opponents by just taking them down and holding them there. By the time they get up, they're gassed and can't finish you. Add to that fact that you have some decent athletic ability as well. Those kind of builds just match up very well with winning at the weaker levels at 205 and 265 IMO.
                                                        I guess the problem I'm having is that I actually think Da Silva is good (except for his Craig fight which I think there was some kind of problem, injury maybe?) and can test Johnson with very hard strikes, and I can't find any tape of Johnson facing a guy with remotely decent striking. I agree he will likely just rush forward and smother for the entire fight. Just wish I could see some tape of him handling a test on the feet.
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                                                        • Sanity Check
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                                                          #133
                                                          Originally posted by CaptChaos145
                                                          Underperformed? Mind explaining that logic? Aljo entered the UFc at 25 years old and in less than 2 years was a top 5/10 BW. He started with a 4 fight win streak with 3 finishes and then lost a tough decision to Caraway. I think the kid is doing pretty ok thus far.
                                                          Aljamain Sterling dominated Bryan Caraway everywhere in round 1.

                                                          I think the only reason Caraway won that fight is due to Sterling gasing out going for a sub late in the 1st round, or not training properly leading up to the fight.

                                                          Not sure if he can beat Assuncao but Aljo is better than people give him credit for being.

                                                          Originally posted by CaptChaos145
                                                          Remember Pena was getting tossed around by Cat and Pena got stronger as the fight went on. Shev could pocket a few early rounds and make it hard for Pena to win a decision but I don't trust many fighters against Pena in 5 rounds. Pena is possessed.
                                                          Cat gased out in the 1st round when she fought Pena.

                                                          She was winning the fight up until she got tired.
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                                                          • TPowell
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                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                            I guess the problem I'm having is that I actually think Da Silva is good (except for his Craig fight which I think there was some kind of problem, injury maybe?) and can test Johnson with very hard strikes, and I can't find any tape of Johnson facing a guy with remotely decent striking. I agree he will likely just rush forward and smother for the entire fight. Just wish I could see some tape of him handling a test on the feet.
                                                            Fair enough, I'm just willing to gamble on the guy being a good prospect with his skill-set and Da Silva's shaky cardio and inability to do anything but push forward. I think Johnson will be able to find well timed takedowns at will against someone so aggressive. Da Silva may be able to catch a guillotine or something though
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                                                            • Shagdogy
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                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                              Aljamain Sterling dominated Bryan Caraway everywhere in round 1.

                                                              I think the only reason Caraway won that fight is due to Sterling gasing out going for a sub late in the 1st round, or not training properly leading up to the fight.

                                                              Not sure if he can beat Assuncao but Aljo is better than people give him credit for being.
                                                              I think Aljo can win this fight because I think Assuncao will have a real hard time getting his offense going. He relies almost solely on the counters with his hands and Aljo should be able to attack from outside of Assuncao's counter range, especially with his reach advantage. Also, Assuncao's takedowns are decently strong but he struggles to keep guys on the ground. As long as Aljo has been training getting back to his feet and doesn't get too confident in his ground game to spend time on his back, he should be able to keep it standing and pick at Assuncao from range. Add in the fact that Aljo is young and hungry off of a loss and Assuncao has to be entering the twilight of his career both physically and mentally, I think Aljo is in a very solid spot as the underdog. I expect a decently close fight on the feet with Assuncao's strikes falling short too often while Aljo connects from the outside enough to win the decision.
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                                                              • GoBlue77
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                                                                #136
                                                                how the hell did shev odds jump to -170
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                                                                • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                                  #137
                                                                  Pretty much all locked and loaded for this card.
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                                                                  • rsynweap84
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                                                                    #138
                                                                    Probably because she looked as big if not, bigger than Pena at the weigh-ins. Schevchenko's cardio will not be a problem in this fight. The fact that this is a 5 rounder instead of a 3 rounder makes all the difference here, as it did in her fight with Nunes. Nunes got saved because it was a 3 rounder, even though she beat the piss outta Schev, took her down repeatedly, elbowed the crap outta her, for two rounds. Only to gas out and almost get knocked out in the third. Pena won't have the same luck, even with two rounds in the bag she'll have to win three more. She has the ground advantage, it's the one area she has over Schev, by a substantial margin.

                                                                    Schevchenko has better striking, kicking, a full camp at altitude vs. 3 weeks for Pena, more 5 rnd experience and to be honest even has had better opponents. Schevchenko has a real speed advantage as well, however if she isn't careful, some of her more flamboyant moves could land her in real trouble if Pena reacts quick enough. Pena definitely looks like she can be heavy on top, and if she can hold her down on the mat, disaster could loom for Schev, but me thinks she'll be alright.

                                                                    Takin' Schev in most of my parlays.
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                                                                    • Rich Benjamins
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                                                                      #139
                                                                      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/U2Ve_BehLsQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                                                                      Looks like Dana is rooting for Ngannou.
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                                                                      • Thor4140
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                                                                        #140
                                                                        Here's my opinions on some of these fights tonight. The chick fight to me looks like Brunson Wittaker all over again. A bull in a china shop against a solid technical fighter. I hate the way Schevchenko fights but it is effective. The problem is her output makes u worry because of close fights. Still got to go with the more technical fighter. I got her when the line was even. Don't think i would taker her now. Nate the great is on borrowed time. He caught lightning in the bottle lately. I think he is washed up and Smiling sam takes him out eventually. Same with Arloski but i never saw his opponent fight so i will pass on this. Cerrone fight i love Mas in this because Cerrone will box and get lit up the problem is will he use his new found wrestling game? His kicks are lethal. I just hate the way Mas takes time off in fighst but lately he has shown a more killer instinct. Cerrones kicks are a worry but Mas i feel is a really a slick fighter. This should be a great fight. Good luck fellas.
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