UFC on FOX 13: Dos Santos vs. Miocic (December 13, 2014)

[marzwoody]

How exactly does owning a gun make you free? please explain Ron. i enjoy reading your answer tommorow

[marzwoody]

Thanks. You are doing a great job of making my point for me Marz. I agree with you that Amerika is becoming more corrupt & oppressive. If it continues to go in this direction then what do you think it will look like at the end? Just think about it. Would you rather have a nation of armed citizens to act as a countervailing force or do you think harsh language & throwing rocks would be more effective? Also Marz. It's important to think of America as 2 distinct entities. 1) The people. 2) The Federal Gov't.

I think if you think this way, you should move from your spot. pretty simple really. there are lots of countries in europe. it seems like your so scared of your goverment that you think guns are necessary.

No one ever thinks this way in other countries Ron. like i have said before its a cute concept but its a hollywood fantasy. the citizens aren't gonna overthrow the goverment with there firearms. guns only give you an illusion of power. unless your country turns into a
dictatorship things will continue to go on the same.

As long as citizens have a reasonable amount of safety, freedom, jobs, food, and a place to sleep at night society will continue to go on.

If you don't like it move.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Marz - 1 America - 0

Also the argument of "you need guns to protect yourself" is invalid. because if your country had outlawed guns you wouden't need guns to protect yourself from other people with guns.

Dumb Dumbs.

Guns are illegal in Mexico. There are gun restrictions in New York & Chicago. Yet all 3 are flooded with guns. Drugs are outlawed. Yet drugs are everywhere. I'm going to let you in on a little secret Marz. Criminals do NOT obey the law! America could pass a law tomorrow banning all guns. 10 years from then guess what. There would still be guns. Only instead of law abiding decent people owning the guns it would be all criminals! Good grief Marz. I really wonder about you sometimes.

[NunyaBidness]

I find it sad your country is so oppressed with your overbearing government and laws which want to control everything. that your idea of being "free" is owning a firearm.

I'm glad there are Americans like Nunya that can look at things objectively and look past the ra ra merica land of the free home of the brave, patriotic bullshit you have been fed your whole life since school.

This is EXACTLY it.

People here toss around the word Freedom and use it to mean something so far from what the definition of the word is.

Just look at that gay-basher at the airport a month ago, screaming about how he didn't like queers and shouldn't have to put up with them because this is America.

[marzwoody]

Guns are illegal in Mexico. There are gun restrictions in New York & Chicago. Yet all 3 are flooded with guns. Drugs are outlawed. Yet drugs are everywhere. I'm going to let you in on a little secret Marz. Criminals do NOT obey the law! America could pass a law tomorrow banning all guns. 10 years from then guess what. There would still be guns. Only instead of law abiding decent people owning the guns it would be all criminals! Good grief Marz. I really wonder about you sometimes.

Again living in fear and ignorance. where are all these criminals in every other european country which have outlawed guns? it is chaos in London with all the gun crime

Using Mexico which borders America as a point that gun crime would still exist doesen't help your case Ron.

It seems like you will never get it Ron. too bad. keep living in fear. meanwhile the likihood of me or anyone else i know throughout my life being involved or a victim of gun crime is about as likely as them getting hit by an asteroid.

Ammmmerrica fck yeah!!!!

[Ron_Paul_2012]

This is EXACTLY it.

People here toss around the word Freedom and use it to mean something so far from what the definition of the word is.

Just look at that gay-basher at the airport a month ago, screaming about how he didn't like queers and shouldn't have to put up with them because this is America.

What gay-basher? So when Liberals, Conservatives & Moderates talk about how the Federal gov't is becoming more & more incrementally oppressive you think it has something to do with people who don't want to observe 2 men making out in public? Nunya I don't think you are a stupid guy. I really don't. But I think it's fair to say that your life experiences are not even close to mine. This conversation isn't going to go anywhere. Besides this an MMA forum. The politics section is somewhere else. Different strokes etc.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Again living in fear and ignorance. where are all these criminals in every other european country which have outlawed guns? it is chaos in London with all the gun crime

Using Mexico which borders America as a point that gun crime would still exist doesen't help your case Ron.

It seems like you will never get it Ron. too bad. keep living in fear. meanwhile the likihood of me or anyone else i know throughout my life being involved or a victim of gun crime is about as likely as them getting hit by an asteroid.

Ammmmerrica fck yeah!!!!

Actually it does. Guns are illegal to own by the citizenry in Mexico. Yet guns are everywhere & easily obtained. Not only does that help my point. That is my point. Criminals have the guns. Once again Marz. A law could be passed today banning all guns in America. But guess what. There would still be guns.

[MD]

There is a reason why other countrys look down on America and there ridiculous laws. they truly are the most violent country in the world. the country was created with violence.

When people say "there proud to be an American" it baffles me with the history they have.

Far from the most violent country in the world, your own country has a much more barbaric history than the United States, but I don't think it matters. Switzerland issues every adult male a gun, and trains them in their use. They have one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, yet they also have extremely low gun crime. The high rates of gun crime in the United States cannot be explained simply by the legality of guns there, there's a big cultural component.

What that is, I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that it has something to do with the fact that seemingly every possible social group in the United States seems to largely see themselves as oppressed, or moving towards oppression. Poisonous interpersonal mindsets.

[marzwoody]

Far from the most violent country in the world, your own country has a much more barbaric history than the United States, but I don't think it matters. Switzerland issues every adult male a gun, and trains them in their use. They have one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, yet they also have extremely low gun crime. The high rates of gun crime in the United States cannot be explained simply by the legality of guns there, there's a big cultural component.

What that is, I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that it has something to do with the fact that seemingly every possible social group in the United States seems to largely see themselves as oppressed, or moving towards oppression. Poisonous interpersonal mindsets.

This is true. but America was involved in violence from the get go. just look at what happened with the native american's. i believe this and every conflict which came after it has a ripple effect which can still be felt in American society today.

Little different then a country called England which in comparison is way way older.

[Vaughany]

"The high rates of gun crime in the United States cannot be explained simply by the legality of guns there, there's a big cultural component"


Thts exactly it, switzerland aside from being tiny compared to murica is a lot more mono-cultural.

There are now a lot more albanian/kosovo immigrants but they are reasonably well assimilated in to swiss society compared to other countries.

[Vaughany]

Again living in fear and ignorance. where are all these criminals in every other european country which have outlawed guns? it is chaos in London with all the gun crime

Using Mexico which borders America as a point that gun crime would still exist doesen't help your case Ron.

It seems like you will never get it Ron. too bad. keep living in fear. meanwhile the likihood of me or anyone else i know throughout my life being involved or a victim of gun crime is about as likely as them getting hit by an asteroid.

Ammmmerrica fck yeah!!!!

Arrgghhh jinxed yourself!!

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Again living in fear and ignorance. where are all these criminals in every other european country which have outlawed guns? it is chaos in London with all the gun crime

Using Mexico which borders America as a point that gun crime would still exist doesen't help your case Ron.

It seems like you will never get it Ron. too bad. keep living in fear. meanwhile the likihood of me or anyone else i know throughout my life being involved or a victim of gun crime is about as likely as them getting hit by an asteroid.

Ammmmerrica fck yeah!!!!

Afraid? I sleep very peaceful at night I assure you. I really don't know why you would think I'm afraid of something. You seem to be projecting Marz. I honestly do not know why some people are afraid to own personal protection. My guess is that it is a big personal responsibility & many people simply do not think that they are up for it. I used that left wing liberal stereo type earlier because it is true. Growing up my best friend was (and still is a left wing liberal). He fits that stereo type to the letter. But we have always been good friends because besides that we have a lot in common & we just sort of get each other. I understand with my buddy Matt that he is just hard wired to have certain psychological & philosophical views which are very different than mine. But the bottom line is that when we get together to go out and have a beer none of that really matters. We like the same movies, music, women etc. I'll never forget the first time I learned of his phobia of guns. It was back in high school over at our friends house. Our friends dad was polishing his gun & after he was done he asked Matt if he ever goes hunting. Matt explained that he has never even held a gun before. It was a little strange because growing up in the Mid West everyone knows how to use a gun & many people hunt. But Matt treats guns as if they were a rattlesnake ready to uncoil & bite him on the hand. He won't touch one. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen & he still gets teased by the rest of us (the rest of the group) but in a good natured way. Honestly Marz. It's not your fault & I really do understand where you are coming from but it still makes me chuckle.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

This is true. but America was involved in violence from the get go. just look at what happened with the native american's. i believe this and every conflict which came after it has a ripple effect which can still be felt in American society today.

Little different then a country called England which in comparison is way way older.

Are you kidding? England has an unrivaled history of oppression & violence! Wow! Just Wow! You either fell asleep during history class or you received some white washed version of English history.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

"The high rates of gun crime in the United States cannot be explained simply by the legality of guns there, there's a big cultural component"


Thts exactly it, switzerland aside from being tiny compared to murica is a lot more mono-cultural.

There are now a lot more albanian/kosovo immigrants but they are reasonably well assimilated in to swiss society compared to other countries.

You are correct V. Inanimate objects made of plastic & or metal are not the problem. There is a reason why there are no drive by shootings & gang violence in Switzerland. Yet everyone is trained & armed. And there is also a strong gun culture there.

[marzwoody]

Afraid? I sleep very peaceful at night I assure you. I really don't know why you would think I'm afraid of something. You seem to be projecting Marz. I honestly do not know why some people are afraid to own personal protection. My guess is that it is a big personal responsibility & many people simply do not think that they are up for it. I used that left wing liberal stereo type earlier because it is true. Growing up my best friend was (and still is a left wing liberal). He fits that stereo type to the letter. But we have always been good friends because besides that we have a lot in common & we just sort of get each other. I understand with my buddy Matt that he is just hard wired to have certain psychological & philosophical views which are very different than mine. But the bottom line is that when we get together to go out and have a beer none of that really matters. We like the same movies, music, women etc. I'll never forget the first time I learned of his phobia of guns. It was back in high school over at our friends house. Our friends dad was polishing his gun & after he was done he asked Matt if he ever goes hunting. Matt explained that he has never even held a gun before. It was a little strange because growing up in the Mid West everyone knows how to use a gun & many people hunt. But Matt treats guns as if they were a rattlesnake ready to uncoil & bite him on the hand. He won't touch one. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen & he still gets teased by the rest of us (the rest of the group) but in a good natured way. Honestly Marz. It's not your fault & I really do understand where you are coming from but it still makes me chuckle.

No i'm not scared of guns. im talking about two different countries society's and there laws. that much seemed to go over your head. i would like to go hunting if i ever visit America.

[marzwoody]

Are you kidding? England has an unrivaled history of oppression & violence! Wow! Just Wow! You either fell asleep during history class or you received some white washed version of English history.

No i have read about history alot. the battles of medieval times or even the 18th century don't seem to have any negative or ripple effects on our culture.

Same can't be said about America's conflicts.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

No i have read about history alot. the battles of medieval times or even the 18th century don't seem to have any negative or ripple effects on our culture.

Same can't be said about America's conflicts.

Just a little mental exercise for ya Marz. You don't have to answer. Just think about it though. What do you think England would be like if it were flooded by immigrants that were all historically oppressed by the English. Do you suppose that everyone would all get along like pea's in a pod? Psychological damage gets passed on for generations.

[NunyaBidness]

Just a little mental exercise for ya Marz. You don't have to answer. Just think about it though. What do you think England would be like if it were flooded by immigrants that were all historically oppressed by the English. Do you suppose that everyone would all get along like pea's in a pod?

You're kidding, right?

You do realize that that is EXACTLY the situation that England is in? If you talk to most anyone in England their biggest gripe is immigrants?

Get out of your house occasionally.

[marzwoody]

I don't know the answer to your strange countries problems. all i know is there's many of them and people seem sick of the government over there. i'm just glad i don't live over there to be honest with you.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

You're kidding, right?

You do realize that that is EXACTLY the situation that England is in? If you talk to most anyone in England their biggest gripe is immigrants?

Get out of your house occasionally.

I'm not kidding. You are making my point for me Nunya. Now multiply the amount of immigrants by 10 or 100. It would not be pretty.

[Thor4140]

This is EXACTLY it.

People here toss around the word Freedom and use it to mean something so far from what the definition of the word is.

Just look at that gay-basher at the airport a month ago, screaming about how he didn't like queers and shouldn't have to put up with them because this is America.

Did ya ever notice these gun lovers, gay bashers, and all around idiots reside in the South.

[JIBBBY]

Interesting political conversation going on.. As far as guns are concerned yes there are far to many floating around in the wrong hands in my Country.. Innocent people get shot and die all the time in the cross fire.. Gotta consider alot of people own guns to hunt for game in our Country, we do have responsible gun owners like myself as well that don't pose any kind of threat to society.... It's the guns that end up in the wrong hands that is the problem..

My .357 snub nose S&W revolver sits on my top shelf collecting dust these days, I bought it legally 20 years ago for protection because I was buying Real Estate in gang infested areas and working on them into the night time hours.. I have never shot this gun and it has never been fired, it's in brand new condition 20 years later.. I hope I never have to shoot it.. If you live in a bad area I'd say it's comforting to know you own a gun in your home.. Better to have a gun and not need it rather then needing a gun and not have it I think..

With that being said - I am all in favor of no guns in this Country and my view of this subject just changed in the last 5 years as I've seen the school shootings go up. Assault rifles tearing up shit, etc..etc.... It's probably not gonna happen but at worst owning illegal guns that aren't registered should be penalized more harshly..

I do think our entire Country needs stiffer gun laws if anything else.. I understand Ron's point of view and Nunya's also though..

[JIBBBY]

Did ya ever notice these gun lovers, gay bashers, and all around idiots reside in the South.

Yes..

[Vaughany]

jibbbeh is allowed to have a gun?!!!

[mmaed]

This is EXACTLY it.

People here toss around the word Freedom and use it to mean something so far from what the definition of the word is.

Just look at that gay-basher at the airport a month ago, screaming about how he didn't like queers and shouldn't have to put up with them because this is America.

This is pretty good marzy. Ive always thought the same thing. Freedom equals guns, not gay marriage, or pot. Actual freedoms that are restricted. Dont get me started on the lack of freedom in the military. Crazy town. Everything is cool so long as we have guns.

[mmaed]

You're kidding, right?

You do realize that that is EXACTLY the situation that England is in? If you talk to most anyone in England their biggest gripe is immigrants?

Get out of your house occasionally.

Yeah lol. You can come from any country in the world and probably fit your criteria if your headed to england.

[JIBBBY]

jibbbeh is allowed to have a gun?!!!

[UncleChael]

Cigano is king, Junior is gonna dust him!!

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

with Nurmagomedov still injured, Dos Anjos could be next for Pettis with a win over Diaz

[Vaughany]

[Grabaka]

Guns are illegal in Mexico. There are gun restrictions in New York & Chicago. Yet all 3 are flooded with guns. Drugs are outlawed. Yet drugs are everywhere. I'm going to let you in on a little secret Marz. Criminals do NOT obey the law! America could pass a law tomorrow banning all guns. 10 years from then guess what. There would still be guns. Only instead of law abiding decent people owning the guns it would be all criminals! Good grief Marz. I really wonder about you sometimes.

Not true. I have never met anyone who owns a gun. There may be a lot of guns and crime out there but its organized crime for the most part. Theres very little crime of hate, race and shit like that between civilians. On the other hand americans are killing each other. The Federal Gov't doesnt even have to move a finger.

[Rubber Guard]

with Nurmagomedov still injured, Dos Anjos could be next for Pettis with a win over Diaz

209 will dust dat ass

[MD]

Not true. I have never met anyone who owns a gun. There may be a lot of guns and crime out there but its organized crime for the most part. Theres very little crime of hate, race and shit like that between civilians. On the other hand americans are killing each other. The Federal Gov't doesnt even have to move a finger.

Personal experiences of an area are largely meaningless. Even with high crime-rate countries, you're very unlikely to witness it or be victimized by it yourself. You see only a tiny fraction of your locale.

[Rubber Guard]

Lived in Buffalo NY for some years which last I knew always made top 10 list for most dangerous cities in America.

People scared of getting killed by guns are either good families who cant get out of the projects or crazy people. Buffalo being fairly murderous place still has distinct places to be or not to be in. The east side is all black with no development, no jobs, crszy ass shit. Google east side of buffalo....parts literally lool like a warzone in thr Middle E. You dont go there. I went to school a bit in Buffalo and we had a place that was sitting just outside where it gets bad. Bodega I always walked to was robbed several times, some at gun point. There was a murder maybe 3 blocks from where I lived. But I never felt that threatened on a daily basis. Not some place Id love to raise kids but as a single guy I wasnt afraid of guns lol. If I were to get shot that would mean I was some place I shouldnt be. Or that I was alone at 2am walking and a stick ip went south quick.

I partially lived with DesGreen. My roomate was/is his best friend.

Point is, you may see all this murder on tv. And it is real if you are a poor family leaving in a crime ridden section of a city. But if not I dont see what there is to be so afraid about. It is like people being afraid to fly or something. I guess you can be parinoid but there is no reason to be.

I wont pretend to know if gun laws will help this or that. But I dont see how it prevents people with bad intentions from getting guns. The samr people will be firing guns no matter what.

[Grabaka]

Personal experiences of an area are largely meaningless. Even with high crime-rate countries, you're very unlikely to witness it or be victimized by it yourself. You see only a tiny fraction of your locale.

Its a fact......Believe me, im not saying that since i have never met a guy with a gun before theres no guns or crime but Ron Paul is making it out to be like we are in the middle of the bronx around here. Since they are illegal and they are hard to get very very few people own a gun. Theres a lot of bad shit around here but if i ever had to move to usa i would be a bit scared. Maybe i would even buy a shotgun or something lol