UFC on FOX 13: Dos Santos vs. Miocic (December 13, 2014)

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  • Rubber Guard
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    #281
    Also according yo a quick wiki search the murder rate has drop in half since 1992.

    So not sure where this new found idea that the U.S. all of a sudden is this crazy ass country with a gun problem that has to be stopped.

    Still very high for any industrialized nation, but the TV has made crazy people think that people and guns are out of control all of a sudden.

    Other than Buffalo which isnt even that Urban of a city, I have lived in lightly populated town on the far outskirts. Many hunters/fishermen, it is part of the culture
    So we get rid of guns, take them out of responsable family men. While crazy criminals in the city still get their guns from other source.

    The 60 year old hunter from bum fock is the one who goes to the store and buys a gun. Where do you think the troubled 19 year old inner city kid goes to get his GAT? Strolls down to the store and puts it on his ***********? Or is he a write a check kind of guy?

    Lets get real.

    Note: probably more than half of friends hunt. I love to fish but I myself am not much of a hunter. And I dont own or never have owned a gun.
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    • Rubber Guard
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      #282
      Meh double
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      • Napes21
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        #283
        I don't like to get political on here but how about the kid who is a loser in school and who's father is a gun enthusiast who happens not to lock his gun locker and Sonny-boy takes his semi-automatic rifle to school one day and tears the place apart before committing seppuku? That shit is happening more and more often here. To me that is enough of a reason for tighter gun control. People don't need to hunt. We got supermarkets.
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        • Rubber Guard
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          #284
          Originally posted by Napes21
          I don't like to get political on here but how about the kid who is a loser in school and who's father is a gun enthusiast who happens not to lock his gun locker and Sonny-boy takes his semi-automatic rifle to school one day and tears the place apart before committing seppuku? That shit is happening more and more often here. To me that is enough of a reason for tighter gun control. People don't need to hunt. We got supermarkets.
          Well then that isnt a responsable gun owner. Or perhaps a responsable father who has no clue his kid has a problem. That stuff happen. Cant nerf thr world.

          I have no data of school shootings. But is it happening more? Or is it covered more? And if it is happening more is it any result of it getting shown on news for weeks like its a TV series?

          Kids going to school and getting shot up is terrible. But what % of that is the numbers here that make thid a problem? The staggering numbers come from inner city crime related murders.

          Guns have been around...if there is a sudden blip of more school shooting why is that? Gun laws around the country are a little tighter now than they were in the 70s dont ya think??

          And hunting...like I said I dont hunt. Not against it by any means. If you didnt grow up around a cukture that hunts then you wouldnt get it even if I was the right person to try and explain it.

          So sonny boy takes his dads gun who is irresponsable to leave it for access and we should take all the guns out. Ok.

          And for the record Im not against tighter gun laws like better background checks and what not. I'm speaking to those who think having guns for personal recreation and or protection should just be banned and that would rid the problem.
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          • Ron_Paul_2012
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            #285
            Originally posted by Napes21
            I don't like to get political on here but how about the kid who is a loser in school and who's father is a gun enthusiast who happens not to lock his gun locker and Sonny-boy takes his semi-automatic rifle to school one day and tears the place apart before committing seppuku? That shit is happening more and more often here. To me that is enough of a reason for tighter gun control. People don't need to hunt. We got supermarkets.
            You mean like Chicago or New York? Yeah tighter gun control laws really seem to be working over there. No shootings whatsoever. Easily the 2 safest cities in America.
            Last edited by Ron_Paul_2012; 12-10-14, 01:22 AM.
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            • Ron_Paul_2012
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              #286
              Originally posted by Grabaka
              Not true. I have never met anyone who owns a gun. There may be a lot of guns and crime out there but its organized crime for the most part. Theres very little crime of hate, race and shit like that between civilians. On the other hand americans are killing each other. The Federal Gov't doesnt even have to move a finger.
              What is not true? Guns are illegal to own for most people in Mexico. That IS true. Then you go on to say that there are a lot of guns in Mexico. That was my point Grabaka. Just because some bureaucrat passes a law saying that people can NOT own a gun doesn't mean that guns will suddenly disappear from existence & no one will own one anymore. It's just childish to think that. I'm going to say this one more time. Criminals do not obey the law. Take a guess why. Well.... Because they are f-cking criminals! Duhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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              • Ron_Paul_2012
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                #287
                Originally posted by Rubber Guard
                Lived in Buffalo NY for some years which last I knew always made top 10 list for most dangerous cities in America.

                People scared of getting killed by guns are either good families who cant get out of the projects or crazy people. Buffalo being fairly murderous place still has distinct places to be or not to be in. The east side is all black with no development, no jobs, crszy ass shit. Google east side of buffalo....parts literally lool like a warzone in thr Middle E. You dont go there. I went to school a bit in Buffalo and we had a place that was sitting just outside where it gets bad. Bodega I always walked to was robbed several times, some at gun point. There was a murder maybe 3 blocks from where I lived. But I never felt that threatened on a daily basis. Not some place Id love to raise kids but as a single guy I wasnt afraid of guns lol. If I were to get shot that would mean I was some place I shouldnt be. Or that I was alone at 2am walking and a stick ip went south quick.

                I partially lived with DesGreen. My roomate was/is his best friend.

                Point is, you may see all this murder on tv. And it is real if you are a poor family leaving in a crime ridden section of a city. But if not I dont see what there is to be so afraid about. It is like people being afraid to fly or something. I guess you can be parinoid but there is no reason to be.

                I wont pretend to know if gun laws will help this or that. But I dont see how it prevents people with bad intentions from getting guns. The samr people will be firing guns no matter what.
                You're right Rubber Guard. Gun laws do NOT prevent people with bad intentions from getting their hands on guns. Just like drug laws do NOT prevent anyone who wants drugs from getting them either. It amazes me that there are still people who do NOT seem to understand this. It's absolutely hilarious.
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                • Ron_Paul_2012
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                  #288
                  Dos Anjos -300 vs Diaz?! What?! Have the betting public went insane?! Raphael was only a -215 favorite vs Jason High. He was only a -180 favorite vs Evan Dunham (and barely won in Brazil). He was a +110 underdog vs Cerrone! All of these fights were fairly recent (2103/2014).

                  Go ahead & watch the Dunham (south paw) fight. Now imagine Dunham with longer arms, more accurate punches & way more volume! That's Nate Diaz! Go back & watch Raphaels fights when he gets driven backwards. He is not nearly as good as when he moves forward. One of the things that makes Do Anjos so good is his ability to use feints & set his strikes up. Dunham gave him little time to do this. Diaz will not give him anytime. If he cannot take Diaz down when Diaz comes forward then it's going to be a long night for Raphael. And the judges will also be influenced by the forward pressure of Nate (just like they score for Sanchez). All comments welcome both pro & con.
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                  • Vaughany
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                    #289
                    Originally posted by Rubber Guard
                    Also according yo a quick wiki search the murder rate has drop in half since 1992.

                    So not sure where this new found idea that the U.S. all of a sudden is this crazy ass country with a gun problem that has to be stopped.

                    Still very high for any industrialized nation, but the TV has made crazy people think that people and guns are out of control all of a sudden.

                    Other than Buffalo which isnt even that Urban of a city, I have lived in lightly populated town on the far outskirts. Many hunters/fishermen, it is part of the culture
                    So we get rid of guns, take them out of responsable family men. While crazy criminals in the city still get their guns from other source.

                    The 60 year old hunter from bum fock is the one who goes to the store and buys a gun. Where do you think the troubled 19 year old inner city kid goes to get his GAT? Strolls down to the store and puts it on his ***********? Or is he a write a check kind of guy?

                    Lets get real.

                    Note: probably more than half of friends hunt. I love to fish but I myself am not much of a hunter. And I dont own or never have owned a gun.
                    they just steal it from the hunter or bumfock!
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                    • Vaughany
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                      #290
                      Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012
                      Dos Anjos -300 vs Diaz?! What?! Have the betting public went insane?! Raphael was only a -215 favorite vs Jason High. He was only a -180 favorite vs Evan Dunham (and barely won in Brazil). He was a +110 underdog vs Cerrone! All of these fights were fairly recent (2103/2014).

                      Go ahead & watch the Dunham (south paw) fight. Now imagine Dunham with longer arms, more accurate punches & way more volume! That's Nate Diaz! Go back & watch Raphaels fights when he gets driven backwards. He is not nearly as good as when he moves forward. One of the things that makes Do Anjos so good is his ability to use feints & set his strikes up. Dunham gave him little time to do this. Diaz will not give him anytime. If he cannot take Diaz down when Diaz comes forward then it's going to be a long night for Raphael. And the judges will also be influenced by the forward pressure of Nate (just like they score for Sanchez). All comments welcome both pro & con.
                      yes that is extreme. Bare in mind this is people maxing the opener on sportbet/5dimes, doesnt take much to move the line. No doubt it will be back down to nearer -150 by fight time. If people like arbs bruv or just getting best possible line then get on Diaz now
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                      • Vaughany
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                        #291
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                        • whipton
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                          • 02-23-13
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                          #292
                          UFC on FOX 13
                          =============


                          Nate Diaz (+155) 1 Unit for 1 .6 Units


                          Gabriel Gonzaga -110) 1.1 Units for 1 Unit


                          Parlay: Junior dos Santos (-400) x Derek Brunson (-400) 10 Units for 5.6 Units


                          Parlay: John Moraga (-400) x Jamie Varner (-350) 8.8 Units for 5.3 Units


                          Parlay: @Alistairovereem (-325) x @bensaundersMMA (-245) 1.5 Units for 1.3 Units


                          Parlay: @HenryCejudo (-280) x @abirchakMMA (-250) 1.5 Units for 1.4 Units


                          @joannamma (+210) 1 Unit for 2.1 Units
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                          • UncleChael
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                            #293
                            War diaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                            • Vaughany
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                              #294
                              Shaheen Al-Shatti @shaunalshatti
                              Nate Diaz missed his scheduled open workout slot today. No official reason given
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                              • PunisherIND
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                                #295
                                Só 1kg e meio pra tirar até amanhã! Waking up 3 pounds over weight the day before the weight ins! It's almost time!!
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                                • UncleChael
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                                  #296
                                  Damnn she looks good. My Favourite fighter is Nathan Diaz and I hope he gets the knock out. JDS is a beast, if he's not the baddest man on the planet he's number 2. Stefan Struve knocked out Stipe and he hasn't* really knocked out any t10 guy. Cigano is King. I hope the public jumps on RDA.
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                                  • marzwoody
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                                    #297
                                    Great interview with Nate.
                                    Nate Diaz talks about his long-awaited return to the UFC, his UFC on FOX 13 fight against Rafael dos Anjos, missing Wednesday's open workouts, the new UFC uniforms, CM Punk, and much more.
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                                    • Kermit
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                                      #298
                                      And Nate Diaz comes in 5 pounds over weight.

                                      He complains about money and now he has to forfeit part of his purse. Real smooth.
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                                      • Wilbo86
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                                        #299
                                        Am I retarded for still considering a Diaz play? Could have missed wieght for any reason including not wanting to be a bitch or some such anti establishment reason. Line hasn't moved much since weigh in results.
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                                        • JIBBBY
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                                          #300
                                          Originally posted by Kermit
                                          And Nate Diaz comes in 5 pounds over weight.

                                          He complains about money and now he has to forfeit part of his purse. Real smooth.
                                          You get the munchies smoking weed.. Pay up and shut up Nate....
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                                          • Beelzebubzy
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                                            #301
                                            The New Day - 170

                                            Pro Wrassling.
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                                            • Rubber Guard
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                                              #302
                                              Seems like Nate wanted to miss weight? Maybe not money out of his pocket.

                                              Him and nate had their hands up like hell yea! Haha. When they announced 160 Nate seemed to do extra flexin haha
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                                              • Beelzebubzy
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                                                #303
                                                Originally posted by Rubber Guard
                                                Seems like Nate wanted to miss weight? Maybe not money out of his pocket.

                                                Him and nate had their hands up like hell yea! Haha. When they announced 160 Nate seemed to do extra flexin haha
                                                trying to grt fired,
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                                                • Rubber Guard
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                                                  #304
                                                  Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                  trying to grt fired,
                                                  He should know that dana wouldnt do that. Obviously Dana if he wabts to woulf just shelf him as long as he can and give him terrible matchups. Have to doubt he just lets Nate walk scott free to scott coker who would pay him more and would market him well.
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                                                  • Bumdeal
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                                                    #305
                                                    This guy only fights elite opponents:

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                                                    • Skel
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                                                      #306
                                                      How does Varner lose this fight? I think the UFC is only keeping Dober around to give Varner a much-needed hometown win.
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                                                      • Skel
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                                                        #307
                                                        Originally posted by Wilbo86
                                                        Am I retarded for still considering a Diaz play? Could have missed wieght for any reason including not wanting to be a bitch or some such anti establishment reason. Line hasn't moved much since weigh in results.
                                                        Diaz missing weight doesn't affect my estimation of his chances tomorrow night too much. Had it been Dos Anjos that missed weight, though, it would be a different story.
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                                                        • Ron_Paul_2012
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                                                          #308
                                                          Originally posted by Skel
                                                          How does Varner lose this fight? I think the UFC is only keeping Dober around to give Varner a much-needed hometown win.
                                                          Varner usually fights at the level of his competition. That could be a bad thing vs Dober. How did he lose to Dakota Cochrane.
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                                                          • Ron_Paul_2012
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                                                            #309
                                                            Originally posted by Skel
                                                            Diaz missing weight doesn't affect my estimation of his chances tomorrow night too much. Had it been Dos Anjos that missed weight, though, it would be a different story.
                                                            This is going to be closer than a lot of Dos Anjos backers believe. Dos Anjos was as high as -300. Absolutely outrageous. I have a small play on Dos Anjos @ -195 but I can't blame you for taking Diaz at big plus odds.
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                                                            • Ron_Paul_2012
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                                                              #310
                                                              Originally posted by Bumdeal
                                                              This guy only fights elite opponents:

                                                              http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Willie-Gates-40436
                                                              True but he has good striking & excellent power. He is very tall for this weight class as well. The first rd has the possibility to be a little scary for Moraga backers. However, after Moraga weathers the storm he will probably sink in a choke in the second round. Moraga via sub @ +220 for me.
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                                                              • Bumdeal
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                                                                #311
                                                                Who is loading up on Claudia Gadelha with me tonight?
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                                                                • Beelzebubzy
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                                                                  #312
                                                                  Originally posted by Bumdeal
                                                                  Who is loading up on Claudia Gadelha with me tonight?
                                                                  Marzy is unloading on her
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                                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                                    • 12-10-09
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                                                                    #313
                                                                    JDS really hasn't looked that great fighting lately.. Granted he has been fight Cain V though. I'm wondering if JDS lost his mojo a bit.. Until he shows me something I'm gonna roll the dice and fade.... I think STIPE at 12-1 is going to be a very stiff challenge for him!!!! It's a long shot but I'm gonna try it..

                                                                    Stipe Miocic +335 - $100 to win $335 placed..
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      • 12-10-09
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                                                                      #314
                                                                      I think we all are on Rafael Dos Anjos at -270.. I parlayed him up.. Him not making weight confirms to me that he is not dedicated to winning and or not probably training of late.. I think he gets pounded out in this one..

                                                                      Allister Overeem is another guy that hasn't shown up in recent fights.. He's just been riding his name and losing fights in the UFC.. Loving Struve at +180 especially once Reem starts to gas out...

                                                                      Struve wins by KO/TKO +291
                                                                      Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-13-14, 01:48 PM.
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                                                                      • JIBBBY
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                                                                        • 12-10-09
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                                                                        #315
                                                                        Was contemplating on taking Joe Riggs over Ben Saunders but quickly came to my senses..

                                                                        This prop grabbed my attention instead last night.. 1604 Fight will not go distance - 160
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