UFC 164: Henderson Vs Pettis 2 (August 31, 2013)

**yisman** · 08-31-13, 01:22 PM

Viana was just scratched from the September 4 fight night

**wagerjunkie** · 08-31-13, 01:32 PM

anyone like Couture? pretty good price an Iancantare (i know its spelled wrong) take down defense is god awful..Couture should be able to take him down at will and keep him on his back the entire match.

problem is Ryan likes to think he is a striker and he is also out classed speed/footwork and if he tries to exchange he'll get KTFO

**mmaed** · 08-31-13, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by wagerjunkie

anyone like Couture? pretty good price an Iancantare (i know its spelled wrong) take down defense is god awful..Couture should be able to take him down at will and keep him on his back the entire match.

problem is Ryan likes to think he is a striker and he is also out classed speed/footwork and if he tries to exchange he'll get KTFO

I don't think its necessarily a given that Couture will get knocked out. I also don't think Iaquintas wrestling is that bad. I think he wrestled in college. I know Chiesa took him down but getting taken down once doesn't equate to bad takedown defense.

**NunyaBidness** · 08-31-13, 01:43 PM

Also, Couture doens't have the takedowns that Chiesa does, and doesn't go all out for them the way he does.

It's not that Iaquinta's TDD is that bad, its that his sub defense is so bad.

**wagerjunkie** · 08-31-13, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Also, Couture doens't have the takedowns that Chiesa does, and doesn't go all out for them the way he does.

It's not that Iaquinta's TDD is that bad, its that his sub defense is so bad.

gotcha!

**wagerjunkie** · 08-31-13, 01:49 PM

i still think ima take Couture think this is more around a PK fight Couture +120 at worst. price is to good to pass up

**mmaed** · 08-31-13, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Also, Couture doens't have the takedowns that Chiesa does, and doesn't go all out for them the way he does.

It's not that Iaquinta's TDD is that bad, its that his sub defense is so bad.

I agree with you about Iaquintas sub defense. I'm not sure about couture not going all out for takedowns. I do think Couture is a pretty tough kid that can take some punishment and while Iaquinta could put him away I think couture can make it to the bell. I think Iaquinta might get tired by the end of the fight and Couture could take the third round. That is why I like the +3.5 points bet. I just missed the opener though. It was +110 and now its -175. +110 was a steal. Rothwell and Ben Henderson are both available with points as well at similar lines. Those are pretty good bets as well.

**NunyaBidness** · 08-31-13, 01:56 PM

I think the majority of Couture's wins are going to be by submission, that's the only way I would play him. (and did at +900)

**mmaed** · 08-31-13, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I think the majority of Couture's wins are going to be by submission, that's the only way I would play him. (and did at +900)

I wouldn't rule out him winning decisions if that is what your doing. He is a decent wrestler with a 76 inch reach. (according to wiki)

**mmaed** · 08-31-13, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I think the majority of Couture's wins are going to be by submission, that's the only way I would play him. (and did at +900)

Also hes only had a couple of fights and hes already beaten guys like Conor Huen, Joe Duarte, KJ Noons(I know), and he also got the first round against Ross Pearson. That is not a bad line up for your first 8 fights.

**Thor4140** · 08-31-13, 02:35 PM

I love Pettis athleticism and i like him in this fight but the bottom line is that knee of his. Was it a fake injury to set up this fight? I doubt that very much cause i don't think Dana does that nonsense. So how bad was that knee? How much training did he miss? One kick and that knee could be screwed again. No play for me. Way to iffy. We are talking about knees here.

**Thor4140** · 08-31-13, 02:39 PM

Barnett looks awful also. He really never looks good but ya can tell he has trouble keeping weight off without those roids. How anyone can lay 4 to one over Guida is beyond me. Hey i love Mendes also but 4 to 1? You got to be kidding me. Now way i would take a dog tho if i thought he was gonna lose. Pass

**plekz** · 08-31-13, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

I love Pettis athleticism and i like him in this fight but the bottom line is that knee of his. Was it a fake injury to set up this fight? I doubt that very much cause i don't think Dana does that nonsense. So how bad was that knee? How much training did he miss? One kick and that knee could be screwed again. No play for me. Way to iffy. We are talking about knees here.

It was his back leg, and he's been cleared for 4-5 weeks already same day he got the fight he ran 8 miles without a problem. It wasn't a serious injury to begin with, and it's not an injury that would make his knee buckle or anything like that, it's just pain.

**NunyaBidness** · 08-31-13, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Was it a fake injury to set up this fight? I doubt that very much cause i don't think Dana does that nonsense.

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-31-13, 02:46 PM

Pettis didn't have the fake ininjury tj grant did obviously

**Noleafclover** · 08-31-13, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Krylov is also the only person I've ever seen get subbed by arm triangle while in top position.

Had to rewatch that a few times.

Originally posted by Thor4140

The same rambling, baseless assertions, and inflammatory comments

This is nothing resembling a conversation and you are nothing resembling reasonable. How many times have you typed out similar sentiments on this board to whatever someone said?

That said, any thoughts at all about the likelihood of Sal, Chris, whoever else being American judges, and that being knowable to bettors? Would actually give your conspiracy theories some traction, if not in the same form.

5 pages of argument about Bendo/Pettis

Maybe at some point ya'll should say, "Hey, maybe this isn't the fight to bet." No?

MD · 08-31-13, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by plekz

It was his back leg, and he's been cleared for 4-5 weeks already same day he got the fight he ran 8 miles without a problem. It wasn't a serious injury to begin with, and it's not an injury that would make his knee buckle or anything like that, it's just pain.

This guy will argue literally anything to defend Pettis as a play. Jesus. Same thing he did with Shogun.

**plekz** · 08-31-13, 03:23 PM

It's not defending someone to conclude that they've been medicly cleared for over a month already (closer to two) nor is it to state the same fact the independent doctor did on that radio interview about these kinda knee injurys.

You and Luca can both take your hurt e-feelings up the road not across it.

MD · 08-31-13, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by plekz

It's not defending someone to conclude that they've been medicly cleared for over a month already (closer to two) nor is it to state the same fact the independent doctor did on that radio interview about these kinda knee injurys.

You and Luca can both take your hurt e-feelings up the road not across it.

It's defending a play when you feel the need to aggressively argue with anyone who posts any sort of rationale as to why the play is not the right side. I don't even have a side in this fight and I think you're being ridiculously childish. Don't like either of them straight.

**Noleafclover** · 08-31-13, 03:30 PM

Seriously Plekz. Chill.

**plekz** · 08-31-13, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by MD

It's defending a play when you feel the need to aggressively argue with anyone who posts any sort of rationale as to why the play is not the right side. I don't even have a side in this fight and I think you're being ridiculously childish. Don't like either of them straight.

How is it 'rationale' to argue a injury the person has been cleared for close to two months?

**Noleafclover** · 08-31-13, 03:36 PM

Over/under on times announcers utilize the word utilize instead of using the word use in a given broadcast?

utilize (v.) - 1)to make use of something, as in nutrients and science, a harnassing of available resources in an organism.
2) to make use of something, specifically for a purpose other than it original one (ex. - utilizing a pen as a weapon)

**Noleafclover** · 08-31-13, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by plekz

How is it 'rationale' to argue a injury the person has been cleared for close to two months?

rationale DNE rationalization, google it.

**The iron sheik** · 08-31-13, 03:42 PM

Not very interested in this fight either, bettingwise. Still, it's absurd that some people here say "well Pettis has evolved too". Perhaps, but I'd like to hear how you reached such conclusions and you're free to share any details on this one. That's an awful lot of evolution to be seen in a guy who has fought about once a year from october 2011. Keep in mind 2012 was mostly spent on injuries, and keep in mind the original Aldo fight was cancelled a month before this fight, due to Pettis being injured again.

I seriously think some of you people aren't even looking for information or opinions that you might want to think over, you're here to convince others. It's pretty strange, considering there's no gain whatsoever (if you disregard the wonderful pleasure of looking like a smarty pants on a message board filled with anonymous people who do not give a fsck about you). No gain for anyone, not even you.

MD · 08-31-13, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by plekz

How is it 'rationale' to argue a injury the person has been cleared for close to two months?

Are you missing the point entirely or just pretending to?

**Tommy Blingshyne** · 08-31-13, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by plekz

How is it 'rationale' to argue a injury the person has been cleared for close to two months?

just because he was cleared doesnt mean there isnt concern that it MAY affect him in some negative way in the fight...def. something worth considering if youre putting down loot on the fight...plenty of guys get cleared to fight w/ lingering or existing injuries...

**rocky16** · 08-31-13, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

and quite deserving of it too

PM me. I will tell you the story of how I taught Pettis the "Showtime kick."

**plekz** · 08-31-13, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Tommy Blingshyne

just because he was cleared doesnt mean there isnt concern that it MAY affect him in some negative way in the fight...def. something worth considering if youre putting down loot on the fight...plenty of guys get cleared to fight w/ lingering or existing injuries...

Considering he was planin on having a fight @ 145 and doing it the right way (not just cutting to get there) one would argue this is a way bigger cause for concern then a minor knee injury (that he would have been medically cleared for and good to go even for the Aldo fight)

**rocky16** · 08-31-13, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

don't forget, you started this shit with me.......Me ans my blood stay about that action

when we push pause on your livelenesss, you have nothing to blame blame but yourself

Suck it jooboy. I'll focking starch you so bad you'll start spelling and speaking properly. Phaget.

**rocky16** · 08-31-13, 03:56 PM

Added another 1.5 units on Koch before line movement.

**brokenbrain** · 08-31-13, 04:01 PM

"That's what she said."

**Imsmarterthanu** · 08-31-13, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis - for UFC lightweight title
Josh Barnett vs. Frank Mir
Clay Guida vs. Chad Mendes
Ben Rothwell vs. Brandon Vera
Erik Koch vs. Dustin Poirier

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 8 p.m. ET)

Gleison Tibau vs. Jamie Varner
Tim Elliott vs. Louis Gaudinot
Pascal Krauss vs. Hyun Gyu Lim
Chico Camus vs. Kyung Ho Kang

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 6:30 p.m. ET)

Nikita Krylov vs. Soa Palelei
Ryan Couture vs. Al Iaquinta
Magnus Cedenblad vs. Jared Hamman

poirer vs koch fotn

my winners
pettis
Al Iaquinta
Mendes
mir

**rocky16** · 08-31-13, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

poirer vs koch fotn

my winners
pettis
Al Iaquinta
Mendes
mir

**Noleafclover** · 08-31-13, 04:09 PM

for me, bets are to win x units (no number means 1)

palelei +170 x2
cedenblad -115 x.5
not Pettis/Bendo FotN -155
rothwell -110

Pretty sure I'm a horrible person. Only watched a little video on Rothwell/Vera, yet I feel really strongly about it. He's just so much bigger, Vera's so out of shape, the only way Vera wins this is if he keeps his distance for the first two rounds, no?

**mmaed** · 08-31-13, 04:10 PM

I am on: Koch, Couture +3.5, Rothwell +3.5, Mendes, Mendes decision, Guida decision, Bendo, Bendo decision, Soa, Soa inside the distance,