UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

[gcd8]

i think anderson just lost all his motivation to fight anymore so he didn't really train hard for this fight and he knew going in he would lose, instead of going out and losing like a champion giving it his all he gave a nice big FU to dana i doubt we will ever see the spider in a ufc fight again

[Thor4140]

i know one thing if i was gloating for weeks how Weidman would win i wouldn't be able to tell people "i told you so" As fans we got robbed of a big fight and possibly a great one. This is like Mayweather daring Canelo to hit him with his hands down and getting knocked out in the second round. Would people betting Canelo even have the balls to actually say "i told u so"?

[Thor4140]

i got to believe when Dana finally thinks about this he will be pissed off

[Sacrelicious]

Wikipedia currently lists weidmans 10th win over silva as "ko deepthroat", lol.

[Thor4140]

i think anderson just lost all his motivation to fight anymore so he didn't really train hard for this fight and he knew going in he would lose, instead of going out and losing like a champion giving it his all he gave a nice big FU to dana i doubt we will ever see the spider in a ufc fight again

dude he came in at 184. Man that reeks of being unmotivated

[gcd8]

another problem is anderson is making 600k for the fight and weidman is only making 48k i mean that's a joke to have it so one sided

[Jayvegas420]

Did all the favourites win except Silva?

[NunyaBidness]

The commentary here is pretty silly right now.

Chris Weidman didn't knock AS out because he's some GOAT amazing striker. He knocked Silva out because Silva did what Silva ALWAYS does when he doesn't respect his opponents abilities.

To argue that Silva threw the fight, or that Weidman is a great striker shows a complete lack of understanding of variance in MMA. Silva avoids those shots some large percentage of the time, just as he always has, in this universe he got caught. Prior to that moment, Weidman was frustrated, and Silva was on his way to opening up his offense.

The live line coming into the second round was AS -300, after he had LOST round 1, that is the way the momentum was shifting.

Was Silva's plan stupid? Yes! And it was stupid when he did it against Maia, and Bonnar, and everyone else. He could've easily got caught there as well.

If there is a rematch, I would bet Silva at -210 now, when I WOULDN'T have bet him at that price tonight.

[NunyaBidness]

Did all the favourites win except Silva?

Munoz, Melancon, and Weidman are the 3 dogs who won.

[Kermit]

Did all the favourites win except Silva?

Mark Munoz was a dog.

[Kermit]

I wonder if Weidman really feels great about winning the way that he did. I would be happy to be in his position, but not sure if I would feel great about how I won it.

[gcd8]

how can u bet on silva when u don't know which one will show up the fighter or the clown

[jizay]

The commentary here is pretty silly right now.

Chris Weidman didn't knock AS out because he's some GOAT amazing striker. He knocked Silva out because Silva did what Silva ALWAYS does when he doesn't respect his opponents abilities.

To argue that Silva threw the fight, or that Weidman is a great striker shows a complete lack of understanding of variance in MMA. Silva avoids those shots some large percentage of the time, just as he always has, in this universe he got caught. Prior to that moment, Weidman was frustrated, and Silva was on his way to opening up his offense.

The live line coming into the second round was AS -300, after he had LOST round 1, that is the way the momentum was shifting.

Was Silva's plan stupid? Yes! And it was stupid when he did it against Maia, and Bonnar, and everyone else. He could've easily got caught there as well.

If there is a rematch, I would bet Silva at -210 now, when I WOULDN'T have bet him at that price tonight.

Spot on. To give Weidman some credit, though, Silva really went overboard with the clowning and never stopped. Weidman didn't look particularly good dealing with it, but Silva never turned it into serious offense either. Maybe he just didn't feel he had an answer for Weidman, we'll never really know.

[JuicedUp]

kermit he won by punching him in the jaw. not exactly shameful.

[Kermit]

kermit he won by punching him in the jaw. not exactly shameful.

I know, but how many guys who are the best in the world give you that opportunity with(literally) open arms?

[Kermit]

Well, it certainly makes the division much more interesting.

[JuicedUp]

I know, but how many guys who are the best in the world give you that opportunity with(literally) open arms?

silva does it every fight! just got caught this time.

[Jayvegas420]

How's this for some picking tonight?
Selections

1	Kazuki Tokudome	UFC - Norman Parke v Kazuki Tokudome (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	+180	Lost
2	Chris Leben	UFC - Chris Leben v Andrew Craig (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	+140	Lost
3	Tim Boetsch	UFC - Mark Munoz v Tim Boetsch (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	-110	Lost
4	Roger Gracie	UFC - Tim Kennedy v Roger Gracie (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	+130	Lost
5	Frankie Edgar	UFC - Charles Oliveira v Frankie Edgar (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	-550	Won
6	Anderson Silva	UFC - Anderson Silva vs Chris Weidman (To Win Fight)	07/06/2013	None	-250	Lost

[hougigo]

Mark Munoz was a dog.

He was a favorite until about 30 minutes till the fight.

[oldscho0led]

He was a favorite until about 30 minutes till the fight.

That;s why line movement is very important. I knew Munoz would win the moment he turned fave before fight time.

[NunyaBidness]

That;s why line movement is very important. I knew Munoz would win the moment he turned fave before fight time.

Except the opposite of that happened.

[nlin]

Except the opposite of that happened.

LOL, awk

[gcd8]

chris weidman reminds me alot of the white guy in that movie the great white hype

[eligibletackle]

June 20

The best looking prop i see is Weidman by TKO +900 - I've been envisioning a Rd 2 or 3 GnP finish for a while - still see it.

eh, not the GnP that I saw but I'm going to count it.

feel like this thread was a good litmus test and reassured me on 3-4 posters who are atrocious cappers.

[MD]

The commentary here is pretty silly right now.

Chris Weidman didn't knock AS out because he's some GOAT amazing striker. He knocked Silva out because Silva did what Silva ALWAYS does when he doesn't respect his opponents abilities.

To argue that Silva threw the fight, or that Weidman is a great striker shows a complete lack of understanding of variance in MMA. Silva avoids those shots some large percentage of the time, just as he always has, in this universe he got caught. Prior to that moment, Weidman was frustrated, and Silva was on his way to opening up his offense.

The live line coming into the second round was AS -300, after he had LOST round 1, that is the way the momentum was shifting.

Was Silva's plan stupid? Yes! And it was stupid when he did it against Maia, and Bonnar, and everyone else. He could've easily got caught there as well.

If there is a rematch, I would bet Silva at -210 now, when I WOULDN'T have bet him at that price tonight.

I agree with you to a degree. I think that Weidman is a very, very good striker though, but I thought that before the fight, so it doesn't have much to do with what you're implying. That said, I think the image you're portraying of the fight is not accurate. Anderson was throwing a lot of shots at Weidman, and Weidman was using his stellar head movement to dodge the majority of them. No reason to think that Anderson was about to knock him out. Weidman was doing very well, even before the KO, he was hitting Anderson frequently and dodging a lot of Anderson's shots. The fact that Anderson had his hands down and was taunting Weidman doesn't indicate that he was winning.

[fitguy67]

here's a single caveat paragraph in another thread's long post (dated about a week ago) that picked Silva.

seems to be an eerily plausible/prophetic interpretation of what ultimately did happen

the only thing that will prevent silva from winning this contest is a lack of motivation. rarely in any combat sport has an athlete truly seen and done it all. anderson has nothing left to prove or fight for. he is wealthy beyond his wildest aspirations from when he was fighting for sandwiches in vale tudo in brazil 15 years ago. he wants a superfight with roy jones, but uncle dana wont let that happen. he hates the ufc and hates playing by the rules. one of these days, i predict he will throw a fight or vacate his belt just to piss off the brass and ride off arrogantly into the sunset.

[The iron sheik]

Pretty decent night (I skipped Weidman-Silva entirely because I have no huevos), but I certainly would have enjoyed seeing the Siver-Swanson fight go 6 or 7 more seconds.

[fitguy67]

here was the whole post...

anderson silva over chris weidman, -250, ufc 162

the only thing that will prevent silva from winning this contest is a lack of motivation. rarely in any combat sport has an athlete truly seen and done it all. anderson has nothing left to prove or fight for. he is wealthy beyond his wildest aspirations from when he was fighting for sandwiches in vale tudo in brazil 15 years ago. he wants a superfight with roy jones, but uncle dana wont let that happen. he hates the ufc and hates playing by the rules. one of these days, i predict he will throw a fight or vacate his belt just to piss off the brass and ride off arrogantly into the sunset.

but not today. anderson will defeat weidman easily with strikes. however, i do not recommend a TKO prop or an under rounds prop, because silva has a lot of ways to win, including the kinds of decision victories he turned in against leites and maia where both fighters refused to engage. silva can also finish via submission, either from bottom (sonnen), or from a dominant position (henderson). therefore, there is good value in the money line because it encompasses all types of victory. this is a gem of a line for the best mixed martial artist in history.

as far as the line is concerned, some may be curious as to why silva is not an even bigger favorite. in fact, the line has come down as we have gotten closer to the fight and silva has not been this light of a favorite since he fought dan henderson. it was -300 not long ago. usually, in the final days leading up to a fight, the casual fans are more likely to bet on the more known fighter, on the champ, and on the favorite. silva is all of those things, yet money is coming in on weidman.

why?

weidman carries an undefeated record. in mixed martial arts, if you can imagine it, you can do it. it is a fairly open combat contest. yet, fans suffer from an extreme lack of imagination. if a fighter has never been defeated, it is too challenging for most casuals and hardcore fans alike to imagine the fighter losing. weidman has never really been in trouble for most of his career, so it becomes more difficult to imagine him losing, even to silva. there is simply no footage of him having his weaknesses exposed, whereas we have 7+ rounds of sonnen, travis lutter, and dan henderson taking down silva and controlling him. that footage weighs heavily on people and influences how they imagine the fight playing out. in an effort to hype the fight, journalists have also been colluding with the ufc to make the fight seem more competitive than it really might be.

weidman's skillset is not all that different from anderson's other opponents. weidman is neither the best wrestler, best striker, or best submission grappler anderson has faced. conversely, anderson's skillset is significantly different and more challenging to overcome for weidman, who has never faced a good striker in the ufc. i dont even think weidman has been punched in the face, hard, in any of his fights. how will he react when silva goes into stalker mode, like against okami, and starts walking him down, strafing him with punches? he doesnt have the chin of henderson, or the perseverence of sonnen. weidman's claim to fame is that munoz dove fortuitously into his standing elbow strike. he doesnt have the tools to finish silva, which means silva has 5 rounds to find that one shot, or possibly earn a cut stoppage. note that even from the bottom, silva has great elbows, and can deliver a cut that way.

the X factor in this fight will be weidman's weight cut. if he has a poor cut and looks like shit at the weigh-ins, expect money to pour in on silva overnight. this is owing to how shitty weidman looked against maia when he took the fight on short notice and had difficulty making weight. he was lethargic and terrible in that fight, and he is still a very big middleweight who needs a precise cut to perform at his best.

the fact that he immediately claimed to have no interest in a rematch or any fighting for a belt...is 100% consistent with the idea that he had decided (quite possibly well before the fight) to go on a "work to the rule" schtick to ride out the remainder of his contract with the UFC...and giving the title away in a tainted way was as good a way as any to initiate it

[rocky16]

Focking Silva fans still making excuses. Shit cracks me up. He tried clowning Weidman and got clowned himself. If rematch happens Weidman would just wreck him again. Focking idiots think Silva has anything on Weidman. Stupid focking joos.

[cheeese]

If he wanted to fix the fight he would have let Weidman sub him in round 1 and save himself the brain damage. He got caught. He is excellent at rolling with punches. Weidman hit him while he was fully extended backwards and his chin had nowhere to go.

[GunShard]

There's a Serious Silva who is unstoppable in the octagon and there's a Clown Silva who puts himself vulnerable by putting his arms down then dance in the octagon.

Sonnen's pre fight trash talking made the Serious Silva fight Sonnen.
Either Weidman got into Silva's head at the pre fight weigh ins or simply Silva treating Weidman as if he was a lesser fighter like Maia or Bonnar made the Clown Silva fight Weidman.

That's how anyone can beat Silva, make Silva get arrogant and cocky as Clown Silva and your probability to win the fight increases.

[Grabaka]

June 20


eh, not the GnP that I saw but I'm going to count it.

feel like this thread was a good litmus test and reassured me on 3-4 posters who are atrocious cappers.

Call them out.....i wanna see a fight!!

[Grabaka]

Focking Silva fans still making excuses. Shit cracks me up. He tried clowning Weidman and got clowned himself. If rematch happens Weidman would just wreck him again. Focking idiots think Silva has anything on Weidman. Stupid focking joos.

penetrating awesome +25 units in that play alone!!!!

[eligibletackle]

There's a Serious Silva who is unstoppable in the octagon and there's a Clown Silva who puts himself vulnerable by putting his arms down then dance in the octagon.

Sonnen's pre fight trash talking made the Serious Silva fight Sonnen.
Either Weidman got into Silva's head at the pre fight weigh ins or simply Silva treating Weidman as if he was a lesser fighter like Maia or Bonnar made the Clown Silva fight Weidman.

That's how anyone can beat Silva, make Silva get arrogant and cocky as Clown Silva and your probability to win the fight increases.

?
"Clown Silva" gets fighters to fight his fight. When Silva goes into "clown mode" he usually demoralizes his opponent - with his head and fists. He didn't go into that mode until Weidman got Andy in his world on the ground. It was a calculated decision by Silva. It was something that's worked 100% of the time in all prior UFC fights - and to an extent it did as Weidman stood and traded for a while. Silva didn't like being on his back, saw how easily Weidman could do it and changed his gameplan accordingly. Just b/c he looked to be showboating doesn't mean he wasn't taking anything lightly- if he didn't do that Weidman would've shot for TD a bunch more times. Let's not act like GOAT can't control his emotions in the cage. Silva's tactics got the desired effect, which was Weidman swinging. It's one Silva, he's not some bipolar fighter

[Sato]

Did all the favourites win except Silva?

Seth Baczynski was the favorite...and LOST!

Ive never seen anything more insane than the ME. Heres a guy that is more than capable of beating your ass and you are being cocky!? You play games? Ive seen the outcome but not like that!

Sweet lord...speechless!