4 team parlay.

[MD]

He's not serious is he...?

He's absolutely serious. He said before that Glover would beat Jones more than 50% of the time, too, although he seems to have changed his opinion on that one.

[Mercersux]

He's absolutely serious. He said before that Glover would beat Jones more than 50% of the time, too, although he seems to have changed his opinion on that one.

All I can say is...JARED PAPAZIAN. HAHAHAHA !!!!

[gabe]

He's absolutely serious. He said before that Glover would beat Jones more than 50% of the time, too, although he seems to have changed his opinion on that one.

wtf? i've never made such a statement, gtfo lmao

let rashad fight glover, and you squares bet rashad lol

[gabe]

Anybody who says Glover is not elite is completely silly in my book. Anybody who is anybody knows Glover is elite. Ask any respected MMA fighter or coach and he will tell you the same.

[MD]

wtf? i've never made such a statement, gtfo lmao

let rashad fight glover, and you squares bet rashad lol

Glover on the other hand is 32 years old and has never fought anyone close to even top 10. Is he ahead of Jones, Machida, Henderson, Shogun, Guss, Rashad, Davis? Can he wrestle with some of those guys? Where is his cardio in comparison to some of those guys? We don't fully know, but to me those are the questions I have. I don't view him as being even close to top 5.

glover can beat everyone you just mentioned.

Lol...

[gabe]

Lol...

where does it say he could beat jon jones more than 50% of the time? you're a moron, gtfo

[MD]

where does it say he could beat jon jones more than 50% of the time? you're a moron, gtfo

I was tempted to include this in my first reply, but I knew you'd bite. This is too easy.

Like I said, dumbass: if u think any fighter can beat any fighter, then bet on all the dogs on the next card.

You are a real moron. Of course anyone can land a lucky punch. I didn't mean glover can get a lucky win over all those guys, I meant he would beat them a majority of the time if they fought. You are really a stupid person, I almost didn't respond.

I trust you won't have anything else to say?

[PunisherIND]

I was tempted to include this in my first reply, but I knew you'd bite. This is too easy.



I trust you won't have anything else to say?

[gabe]

I was tempted to include this in my first reply, but I knew you'd bite. This is too easy.



I trust you won't have anything else to say?

That was in reference to everyone on that list BUT Jon Jones. Jones' reach is just hard for anyone to overcome. You won't go anywhere in life making silly assumptions like that, sir.

It's beautiful and retarded how you think you've "gotten me" when in reality you're just a fool who misunderstood and wrongfully assumed.

You're seriously gonna sit there and debate me over what I think? lmao gtfo man

[MD]

That was in reference to everyone on that list BUT Jon Jones. Jones' reach is just hard for anyone to overcome. You won't go anywhere in life making silly assumptions like that, sir.

It's beautiful and retarded how you think you've "gotten me" when in reality you're just a fool who misunderstood and wrongfully assumed.

You're seriously gonna sit there and debate me over what I think? lmao gtfo man

LOL.

[MD]

That was in reference to everyone on that list BUT Jon Jones. Jones' reach is just hard for anyone to overcome. You won't go anywhere in life making silly assumptions like that, sir.

It's beautiful and retarded how you think you've "gotten me" when in reality you're just a fool who misunderstood and wrongfully assumed.

You're seriously gonna sit there and debate me over what I think? lmao gtfo man

Sorry about that Gabe. I have a terrible habit of assuming things like the fact that you believe that Glover would beat Jon Jones a majority of the time, based on such silly and easily-misconstrued information as you clearly stating that you believe he would.

[Broxbomber]

Don't let the hype fool you. Glover is not an elite fighter. Which of these fighters do you think he beats more than 50% of the time? Rashad Evans, Alexander Gustafsson, Lyoto Machida, Jon Jones, Phil Davis.

MD - Let's turn this around for a moment. Out of Evans, Gustafsson, Machida, Jone and Davis, who do you see todays Rampage beating more than 25% of the time? I don't see him beating any of them, especially if they are 5 rounders.

[MD]

MD - Let's turn this around for a moment. Out of Evans, Gustafsson, Machida, Jone and Davis, who do you see todays Rampage beating more than 25% of the time? I don't see him beating any of them, especially if they are 5 rounders.

Depends on what you mean by "today's Rampage". The one who fought Bader? Or the one who fought Jones, one fight previously? Either way, whether or not Rampage is currently an elite fighter wasn't the point of my post.

[Broxbomber]

Depends on what you mean by "today's Rampage". The one who fought Bader? Or the one who fought Jones, one fight previously? Either way, whether or not Rampage is currently an elite fighter wasn't the point of my post.

Todays Rampage is the Rampage that you expect to enter the cage vs Glover.

Your point was that you dont consider Glover elite. My point is that Glover doesn't need to be considered "elite" to be able to beat today's Rampage. I am not a hater of Rampage, but all the signs point towards him being done. I would be shocked to see Rampage put on a vintage performance.

[Rubber Guard]

Elite? Whats elite? I don't think Glover is top 3. I think Jones, Rashad, Machida, and possibly Hendo beat him. But I put him right behind those guys. Shogun was down right scared to fight him. Didn't want that fight. Shogun never turns down fights. Tex has real skills. At this point he beats Rampage....who hasn't seen a KO since like '08 vs. a crusty Wandy. Rampage has 1 foot in retirement. Tex has ambitions az a rydah. Maldonado is a more effective puncher than Rampage at this point of the game.

[MD]

Todays Rampage is the Rampage that you expect to enter the cage vs Glover.

Your point was that you dont consider Glover elite. My point is that Glover doesn't need to be considered "elite" to be able to beat today's Rampage. I am not a hater of Rampage, but all the signs point towards him being done. I would be shocked to see Rampage put on a vintage performance.

I don't consider Glover elite, and I don't consider Rampage elite, either. My reasoning for thinking he can win this fight is that, stylistically, he's one of the worst matchups in the division for Glover. I'm not even saying he should be a favourite or is likely to beat Glover (the jury's out on that one, I'll need to re-examine that a bit more prior to the fight), but I do believe he stands a very good (40%+) chance.

[GunShard]

Glover will struggle against Jones and Machida. But should decisively defeat Rampage.

[Crassus]

BS.

A) Rampage isn't at Wolfslair anymore, he's at a legit gym in AKA (this got confirmed right?)
B) Glover isn't knocking Rampage out, two men have been able to and he has an excellent chin and striking D.
C) Glover isn't going to take Rampage down, only the best wrestlers have been able to and only some of them have been able to keep him there. Even if Glover gets the takedown, good luck keeping Rampage down.

Glover should be a +150 underdog in my opinion. He hasn't even fought a notable striker yet (Maldonado does not count). If Rampage comes in healthy after his knee surgery (which he should have recovered from, it's one of the reasons he was garbage against Bader.)

Glover against Rashad is a different story on the other hand. Glover TKO's Rashad in my opinion.

[Rubber Guard]

Lol that Maldonado doesn't count, even though he is a better boxer than Rampage.

I guess we will go by what you say though.

Rampage has had motivation for this sport once in like the last 4 years...and that was when he got a title shot after decisioning Matt Hamill. The man has one fight left on his contract. The man wants to do movies. The man asked to fight in Japan after his title shot and laid an egg. Bader is not an elite wrestler either....he had great trouble taking Lil Nog down several times. He is a good wrestler. What motivation do we think he has left?

His wins in the last 5 years are: Wandy, Keith Jardine, Matt Hamill. And he won a split over Machida where nothing happened and nothing was proven. Those are his wins recently. I mean even 5 years worth of "recently".

He has 1 fight left. The UFC is doing him no favors in handing him Tex. They don't want Rampage to leave on a high note and beat one of their newer talents.

Rampage hasn't been at wolfslair for a while now. He wasn't even really with AKA for the Bones fight. He may do some stuff at AKA but he is in no way a main stay there.

[Crassus]

Lol that Maldonado doesn't count, even though he is a better boxer than Rampage.

I guess we will go by what you say though.

Rampage has had motivation for this sport once in like the last 4 years...and that was when he got a title shot after decisioning Matt Hamill. The man has one fight left on his contract. The man wants to do movies. The man asked to fight in Japan after his title shot and laid an egg. Bader is not an elite wrestler either....he had great trouble taking Lil Nog down several times. He is a good wrestler. What motivation do we think he has left?

His wins in the last 5 years are: Wandy, Keith Jardine, Matt Hamill. And he won a split over Machida where nothing happened and nothing was proven. Those are his wins recently. I mean even 5 years worth of "recently".

He has 1 fight left. The UFC is doing him no favors in handing him Tex. They don't want Rampage to leave on a high note and beat one of their newer talents.

Maldonado is a better boxer than Rampage? Are you serious? He has slightly better body shots sure but better overall boxer? Get out of here.

Rampage doesn't need "motivation" to beat a guy like Glover. He just needs to be slightly healthy, Glover is a perfect match-up for him. He's got meh striking D and can't possibly hope to take Rampage down.

How does Glover beat Page?

[MD]

Glover against Rashad is a different story on the other hand. Glover TKO's Rashad in my opinion.

Rashad would lay all over Glover, I think. Fully agree with the rest.

Lol that Maldonado doesn't count, even though he is a better boxer than Rampage.

LOL. Maldonado is an incredibly mediocre boxer.

Bader is not an elite wrestler either....he had great trouble taking Lil Nog down several times. He is a good wrestler. What motivation do we think he has left?

Nog Lite has very good TDD. Phil Davis had great trouble taking him down, also. Is he not an elite wrestler?

[Rubber Guard]

Maldonado is a better boxer than Rampage? Are you serious? He has slightly better body shots sure but better overall boxer? Get out of here.

Rampage doesn't need "motivation" to beat a guy like Glover. He just needs to be slightly healthy, Glover is a perfect match-up for him. He's got meh striking D and can't possibly hope to take Rampage down.

How does Glover beat Page?

Yes, I would pick Maldonado in a boxing contest right now vs. Page. Agree to disagree I guess.

The UFC knows what they are doing here. They aren't letting Page walk out of the UFC KOing one of the better prospects in their "money" division.

We will see.

[MD]

Yes, I would pick Maldonado in a boxing contest right now vs. Page. Agree to disagree I guess.

Based on what? His jab? Or his head movement? Or his foot movement? Or his ability to close distance? Or keep distance?

[Rubber Guard]

Rashad would lay all over Glover, I think. Fully agree with the rest.



LOL. Maldonado is an incredibly mediocre boxer.



Nog Lite has very good TDD. Phil Davis had great trouble taking him down, also. Is he not an elite wrestler?

I know this and I view Phil in that category also. His wrestling is overrated. Elite? I mean I guess....there are only a few decorated wrestlers at the top of 205. Jones, Rashad...........Bader.....So i guess he is elite. But people were acting like Phil was some machine that may be a contender for the title. He went up against Rashad and was totally tooled in every aspect including...and mainly wrestling. An elite wrestler doesn't get manhandled like that even against great wrestlers. Lil Nog will absolutely smothered by Rashad. Because Rashad is actually an elite wrestler. Just as Bones would toss Lil Nog around. Because he has elite throws and trips. Phil got stuffed on his first what? 7 attempts? Maybe it is just because he is extremely bad standing that he has nothing to set anything up with.

Other than the fat Page fight. Where has Bader displayed this elite wrestling? He is a good wrestler. Maybe even top 5 at 205lbs. Doesn't mean he is an elite wrestler tho.

[Rubber Guard]

Based on what? His jab? Or his head movement? Or his foot movement? Or his ability to close distance? Or keep distance?

All of the above. Or at least most of the above. Maldonado's worst part of his game is his TDD or wrestling in general. When you are scared of the TD you tend to not move the way you would in a striking battle. Tex started taking him down and beating the crap out of him.

[MD]

I know this and I view Phil in that category also. His wrestling is overrated. Elite? I mean I guess....there are only a few decorated wrestlers at the top of 205. Jones, Rashad...........Bader.....So i guess he is elite. But people were acting like Phil was some machine that may be a contender for the title. He went up against Rashad and was totally tooled in every aspect including...and mainly wrestling. An elite wrestler doesn't get manhandled like that even against great wrestlers. Lil Nog will absolutely smothered by Rashad. Because Rashad is actually an elite wrestler. Just as Bones would toss Lil Nog around. Because he has elite throws and trips. Phil got stuffed on his first what? 7 attempts? Maybe it is just because he is extremely bad standing that he has nothing to set anything up with.

Other than the fat Page fight. Where has Bader displayed this elite wrestling? He is a good wrestler. Maybe even top 5 at 205lbs. Doesn't mean he is an elite wrestler though.

First of all, Rashad is not an elite wrestler. He's an explosive athlete with amazing, GSP-level transitions between striking and grappling. His actual wrestling is not better than Davis's, but this is MMA, not wrestling; intelligence, versatility and tactical acumen can be the most consistent ways to secure takedowns. Ask Demian Maia how he managed to take down Chael Sonnen and Rick Story.

Jones would toss anyone around at 205, including Bader and Hamill, both very good MMA wrestlers, especially Bader. Although, the person he had the most trouble taking down was, no surprise, Rampage.

Bader has controlled pretty much everyone he's ever beaten with his wrestling. He's powerful and explosive. If "top five in his division" isn't the definition of "elite", then I'm not sure what is.

All of the above. Or at least most of the above. Maldonado's worst part of his game is his TDD or wrestling in general. When you are scared of the TD you tend to not move the way you would in a striking battle. Tex started taking him down and beating the crap out of him.

You must have never watched a Maldonado fight.

[Rubber Guard]

I have no clue what you are talking about. Rashad out-wrestled him in an MMA contest. But Phil is the better wrestler? That doesn't even make sense. We aren't talking NCAA accomplishments here. These fights aren't fought on paper. Rashad is the better MMA wrestler. Whether it be because he has better striking to set it up or not, his wrestling is way more effective. He won't get stuffed by Lil Nog 7 consecutive times.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

[MD]

I have no clue what you are talking about. Rashad out-wrestled him in an MMA contest. But Phil is the better wrestler? That doesn't even make sense. We aren't talking NCAA accomplishments here. These fights aren't fought on paper. Rashad is the better MMA wrestler. Whether it be because he has better striking to set it up or not, his wrestling is way more effective. He won't get stuffed by Lil Nog 7 consecutive times.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

"Takedowns" are not the same as "wrestling".

[Rubber Guard]

I've watched a lot of his fights. You come off as elitist that because he has a picks thread he must know more MMA than the next guy. He must be some insider. You sound like an idiot.

I think Maldonado would beat Rampage in a straight striking contest. Probably would dec. him in 3 rounds. Get over it and quit acting like you are some messiah of MMA because you had a good week betting it.

[sideloaded]

I've watched a lot of his fights. You come off as elitist that because he has a picks thread he must know more MMA than the next guy. He must be some insider. You sound like an idiot.

I think Maldonado would beat Rampage in a straight striking contest. Probably would dec. him in 3 rounds. Get over it and quit acting like you are some messiah of MMA because you had a good week betting it.

[MD]

I've watched a lot of his fights. You come off as elitist that because he has a picks thread he must know more MMA than the next guy. He must be some insider. You sound like an idiot.

I think Maldonado would beat Rampage in a straight striking contest. Probably would dec. him in 3 rounds. Get over it and quit acting like you are some messiah of MMA because you had a good week betting it.

LOL. Keep it up champ, you'll do great around here.

I've watched a lot of his fights. You come off as elitist that because he has a picks thread he must know more MMA than the next guy. He must be some insider. You sound like an idiot.

I've been having some consistent success in my thread for quite some time now, but I've never bragged about it, nor have I lorded it over anyone. In fact, I haven't even mentioned my success outside of my thread. Not even once, I believe. Winning and losing over such a small sample size doesn't decide how good a 'capper someone is, and I certainly know what the opposite end of a winning month is like. If you think I'm an idiot, fair enough, but don't act as if it's because I'm holding my success over you. You literally pulled that out of nowhere.

[Rubber Guard]

"Takedowns" are not the same as "wrestling".

Would anyone say Phil out-wrestled Rashad in that fight?

We are talking MMA. And Rashad was the better wrestler that night TDs, positioning, control. He was better in every aspect.

[Rubber Guard]

You've been posting here for a year. You think you are the best capper here. You call me champ. You sound like a complete tool.

[MD]

Would anyone say Phil out-wrestled Rashad in that fight?

We are talking MMA. And Rashad was the better wrestler that night TDs, positioning, control. He was better in every aspect.

Yes, we're talking MMA, and Rashad out-wrestled Davis, but not because he's the better wrestler, but because he had the more complete game and simply had far more tools available. Davis couldn't compete with that.

You've been posting here for a year. You think you are the best capper here. You call me champ. You sound like a complete tool.

No, I've been posting here for a few months. Probably around three. I started my account a year ago, however.
I don't think I'm the best 'capper here. I'm very open to advice from anyone. I've asked for betting advice or opinions on cards from Nunya, Gabe and Crassus, to name a few, all of whom are very intelligent bettors. I'm here to make money, not boost my ego. I can't pay for €25 steak with donated SBR points.

[Rubber Guard]

I agree many aspects go into MMA TDs. Bottom line is Evans took him down numerous times and straight stuffed the collegiate national champ even more times. He then controlled him and passed his guard over and over because of Phil's also overrated BJJ. Rashad is far and away the better MMA grappler.

We are talking MMA and MMA wrestling. Evans has better MMA wrestling. Which composes everything. You are arguing over nothing. I understand that on a mat at Penn State Phil would win a wrestling match. Doesn't have one thing to do with what I am talking about. Evans has better MMA wrestling than Bader and Phil. He is an elite MMA wrestler compared to them. Sorry I said wrestler the first time and not "MMA" wrestler and you had to hold onto that fact for so long. I figured since they all compete in a cage rather than in a gym, that we would all be talking about MMA skills. Not pure wrestling. Bader isn't an elite MMA wrestler. Elite MMA wrestlers can put most anyone on their back when they want. Cormier wanted to put Josh Barnett down a few times and he easily did. Because he is an elite wrestler. When GSP wants to take you down, he does. Because he is an elite MMA wrestler. Besides Jones, when Rashad wants to take someone down he usually does....because he is an elite MMA wrestler. Just like how he won't get stuffed by Lil Nog on his first 7 attempts.