4 team parlay.

[gabe]

Sorry about that Gabe. I have a terrible habit of assuming things like the fact that you believe that Glover would beat Jon Jones a majority of the time, based on such silly and easily-misconstrued information as you clearly stating that you believe he would.

The comment which you copied and pasted had me stating that I believe he could beat those fighters, nowhere did it say he could beat them a MAJORITY of the time, fool. My post in THIS thread said he could beat them a majority of the time. (Jones discluded) In THIS thread we were discussing whether he could win over 50% of the time, not whether he could win in general. Post you referred to: Yes, Glover could beat Jon Jones. Post in this thread: No, Glover won't beat Jon Jones a majority of the time.

The same person can't believe fighter A can beat fighter B, but still lose 8 out of 10 times if they fought? please gtfo

[MD]

I agree many aspects go into MMA TDs. Bottom line is Evans took him down numerous times and straight stuffed the collegiate national champ even more times. He then controlled him and passed his guard over and over because of Phil's also overrated BJJ. Rashad is far and away the better MMA grappler.

We are talking MMA and MMA wrestling. Evans has better MMA wrestling. Which composes everything. You are arguing over nothing. I understand that on a mat at Penn State Phil would win a wrestling match. Doesn't have one thing to do with what I am talking about. Evans has better MMA wrestling than Bader and Phil. He is an elite MMA wrestler compared to them. Sorry I said wrestler the first time and not "MMA" wrestler and you had to hold onto that fact for so long. I figured since they all compete in a cage rather than in a gym, that we would all be talking about MMA skills. Not pure wrestling. Bader isn't an elite MMA wrestler. Elite MMA wrestlers can put most anyone on their back when they want. Cormier wanted to put Josh Barnett down a few times and he easily did. Because he is an elite wrestler. When GSP wants to take you down, he does. Because he is an elite MMA wrestler. Besides Jones, when Rashad wants to take someone down he usually does....because he is an elite MMA wrestler. Just like how he won't get stuffed by Lil Nog on his first 7 attempts.

I'm not confusing the concept of wrestling vs MMA wrestling. It's an MMA fight, obviously almost any mention of wrestling will be in regards to MMA wrestling. However, it wasn't Rashad's MMA wrestling that outclassed Davis, either; it was his all-round game and transitions from striking to grappling. You're really just arguing classification at this point. No one is saying Rashad didn't control or outclass Davis.

The comment which you copied and pasted had me stating that I believe he could beat those fighters, nowhere did it say he could beat them a MAJORITY of the time, fool. My post in THIS thread said he could beat them a majority of the time. (Jones discluded) In THIS thread we were discussing whether he could win over 50% of the time, not whether he could win in general. Post you referred to: Yes, Glover could beat Jon Jones. Post in this thread: No, Glover won't beat Jon Jones a majority of the time.

The same person can't believe fighter A can beat fighter B, but still lose 8 out of 10 times if they fought? please gtfo

Here's how your conversation went in the other thread:

Glover on the other hand is 32 years old and has never fought anyone close to even top 10. Is he ahead of Jones, Machida, Henderson, Shogun, Guss, Rashad, Davis? Can he wrestle with some of those guys? Where is his cardio in comparison to some of those guys? We don't fully know, but to me those are the questions I have. I don't view him as being even close to top 5.

glover can beat everyone you just mentioned.

Anyone can beat anyone in MMA. Thanks for the lesson though.

Like I said, dumbass: if u think any fighter can beat any fighter, then bet on all the dogs on the next card.

You are a real moron. Of course anyone can land a lucky punch. I didn't mean glover can get a lucky win over all those guys, I meant he would beat them a majority of the time if they fought. You are really a stupid person, I almost didn't respond.

So yes, you clearly said that you thought Glover would beat Jones a majority of the time, and then in your previous posts in this thread, you admitted that you thought that all of the fighters on that list except for Jones would lose to Glover to most of the time.

That was in reference to everyone on that list BUT Jon Jones.

And now you're saying...

nowhere did it say he could beat them a MAJORITY of the time, fool. My post in THIS thread said he could beat them a majority of the time. (Jones discluded)

You're coming off as a legitimate idiot right now, Gabe. Stop back-pedalling and admit that you contradicted yourself, or you're just going to look like a child.

[Crassus]

RG, I think you're criminally underrating Lil Nog's TDD. He stuffs Phil Davis 7 times in the first round, maybe it's on Davis. But the he does it to Bader as well? Lil Nog has worked TDD hard and it's shown. I guarantee you, Rashad gets a TD stuffed by Lil Nog in their fight. Regardless, would you say it's fair that Rampage isn't gonna be taken down by Glover?

As far as Maldonado goes, gotta disagree with you entirely man. Maldonado relies entirely on his chin and body punches he has no movement or anything like that.

[Vaughany]

A) Rampage isn't at Wolfslair anymore, he's at a legit gym in AKA (this got confirmed right?)
B) Glover isn't knocking Rampage out, two men have been able to and he has an excellent chin and striking D.
C) Glover isn't going to take Rampage down, only the best wrestlers have been able to and only some of them have been able to keep him there. Even if Glover gets the takedown, good luck keeping Rampage down.

Glover should be a +150 underdog in my opinion. He hasn't even fought a notable striker yet (Maldonado does not count). If Rampage comes in healthy after his knee surgery (which he should have recovered from, it's one of the reasons he was garbage against Bader.)

Glover against Rashad is a different story on the other hand. Glover TKO's Rashad in my opinion.

Didnt know anything about AKA...thought he just trains at his own gym Rampage Fitness Academy

[Vaughany]

Based on what? His jab? Or his head movement? Or his foot movement? Or his ability to close distance? Or keep distance?

yeah Maldonado gets by because he has a granite chin. People seem to think he is an elite boxer because of his 23-0 or whatever amateur record (against guys with a 5-87 record combined or something silly!) and because Rogan creams over his body shots.

[Mercersux]

You're coming off as a legitimate idiot right now, Gabe. Stop back-pedalling and admit that you contradicted yourself, or you're just going to look like a child.

MD, this clown Gabe will never admit his wrong so why bother? Kid talks so many circles around himself he should be dizzy by now. Probably the most invalid nonsense that exists on this forum. I do enjoy how you've made him look like such a baboon, but If he's so sold on Glover let him bury himself even further. I've said numerous times I don't enjoy seeing someone take hits financially, but I do get a kick out of his incessant boo hoo garbage after he's had a poor night. For such an expert, you'd think he'd be able to cope with poor nights better than anyone. In closing, JARED PAPAZIAN.

[Mercersux]

yeah Maldonado gets by because he has a granite chin. People seem to think he is an elite boxer because of his 23-0 or whatever amateur record (against guys with a 5-87 record combined or something silly!) and because Rogan creams over his body shots.

His boxing is alright and he does throw some great body shots, but he is by no means a world beater in the striking dept. 23-0 against joe schmo from the local Brazilian bar isn't that impressive is it? If you'd like to see how unimpressive Maldonado's boxing record really is here's the link...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=171565&cat=boxer

[ShotgunRua]

I like your parlay, clearly I'm late to the discussion here but here is my take;

JDS is extremely likely to win due to being a terrible stylistic matchup for the guy who has major trouble defending against strikes- this one's been discussed to death in other threads.

GSP- near lock IMO.

Rousey- This fight was set up to show everyone what Rousey is about, 1st round armbar, (I'll be honest, I know little of her opponent and would need to research before putting a penny on this fight). I don't see why you bothered putting this in your parlay as it adds virtually nothing to the return and anything can happen in MMA.

The above 3 fights are based on marketability in my opinion. UFC would love a "Mexican" champion for the Mexican fans. UFC know people will pay for Diaz/GSP because some immature wannabe tough guys love that Diaz gives people the finger, whilst most other people want to see him beat up. UFC wants to push Rousey and show everyone how awesome she is. If UFC wasn't prioritising profit, and focused on the best/most deserving match ups, it's debatable that any of the above would be taking place.

Glover- Hmmm..... Ok, I think Glover is better than Rampage, and he can destroy people Rampage would struggle against, but stylistically I expect this to be competitive. Glover throws telegraphed looping hooks with his hands down, Rampage has good striking defense and a decent jab. Glover can deal a lot of damage, but he genuinely looked staggered when a half dead Maldonado caught him with a hook. Everyone remembers that Rampage looked terrible in his last fight, but the fight before was against JBJ, and he looked respectable in my opinion considering who he was fighting. He lasted a while and had Jones on the back foot at times. Don't get me wrong I fully expect Glover to win this, but at the odds he's a potential parlay killer. I'm not betting anything on Rampage, I learned that lesson with Shogun and BJ, but I might avoid Glover too.


Also, since these fights are not taking place in the same event, why parlay them unless you expect the odds to change and want to secure them at a certain level? Might as well just bet JDS, then reinvest the winnings nearer the time, one of these 8 will probably get injured by then anyway.

[Vaughany]

Yep this is true, at least one of the 8 will probably pull out

[Rubber Guard]

RG, I think you're criminally underrating Lil Nog's TDD. He stuffs Phil Davis 7 times in the first round, maybe it's on Davis. But the he does it to Bader as well? Lil Nog has worked TDD hard and it's shown. I guarantee you, Rashad gets a TD stuffed by Lil Nog in their fight. Regardless, would you say it's fair that Rampage isn't gonna be taken down by Glover?

As far as Maldonado goes, gotta disagree with you entirely man. Maldonado relies entirely on his chin and body punches he has no movement or anything like that.

I'm not underrating it? But all I know is Rashad wouldn't get stuffed on his first 7 attempts. Therefor his TDs and control for MMA are better than Phil's or Baders. Lil Nog has some solid TDD but lets not act like he is BJ Penn or Chuck Liddell when it comes to TDD. Phil and Bader's wrestling are highly overrated in terms of MMA in my opinion. Whether it be because they don't set up TDs as well or what....but it is overrated. Bader has never just wrestled the shit out of anyone in teh UFC other than fat, out of shape, unmotivated Rampage. Phil got stuffed by a 22 year old Gustaf....when Gustaf was still raw as hell and was basically just a kickboxer. Phil was stuffed 7 straight times by Lil Nog. Those sorts of things wouldn't happen to GSP, Kos, Weidman, Evans, Bones, Cain, Cormier....because they all are elite MMA wrestlers who will dump you on your head if they really want to. GSP is over here taking Kos down....while Phil is over there getting stuffed by a BJJ/boxer in Lil Nog.

In my opinion Bader's and Phil's ability to take guys down and keep them there in an MMA get OVERRATED because of their resume in college. People just act like because they were good in college, that is automatically transfers to MMA. Neither of them are elite MMA wrestlers in my opinion. I have seen no evidence to say they are.

I'm talking about MMA wrestling. That included transitions from strikes, clinches against the cage, doubles, singles, throws. MD for some reason is talking about pure wrestling that doesn't exist in MMA....so not even sure why he is bringing it up. Rashad's transitions, takes down, and controls fighters better than Phil Davis does. Much better.

[Rubber Guard]

yeah Maldonado gets by because he has a granite chin. People seem to think he is an elite boxer because of his 23-0 or whatever amateur record (against guys with a 5-87 record combined or something silly!) and because Rogan creams over his body shots.

No one here or ever said he was an elite boxer. You don't have to be an elite boxer to be better than Rampage at this point.

That is the whole point.

Rampage gets handed guys like Hamill, Jardine, Bader and he can't even KO them. Rampage is DONE. And has been done for a while. How do you stand 3 rounds with jardine and not finish him? Rampage's boxing is so overrated. He has been out-struck most any time he has fought a real striker besides Chuck. Since the Arona slam back in 2004...he has 4 stoppages due to striking. Yokoi, Eastman, and the incredible chins of Wandy and Liddell at the end of their careers. Since 2004 he has 4 striking stoppages....none are that impressive. But somehow he is still a feared striker....proof is in the pudd'n. Wheres the pudd'n?

Yea ok...His striking is such a myth.

My opinion is the Tex line is where it should be. Maybe Rampage finds a KO for once. But I'm not going to bet Rampage thinking he can rock Tex, when Hamill and Jardine were in front of him the whole night and he cruised to a dec. over terrible strikers. Rampage is leaving the UFC KO'd on the mat.

[gabe]

I'm not confusing the concept of wrestling vs MMA wrestling. It's an MMA fight, obviously almost any mention of wrestling will be in regards to MMA wrestling. However, it wasn't Rashad's MMA wrestling that outclassed Davis, either; it was his all-round game and transitions from striking to grappling. You're really just arguing classification at this point. No one is saying Rashad didn't control or outclass Davis.



Here's how your conversation went in the other thread:









So yes, you clearly said that you thought Glover would beat Jones a majority of the time, and then in your previous posts in this thread, you admitted that you thought that all of the fighters on that list except for Jones would lose to Glover to most of the time.



And now you're saying...



You're coming off as a legitimate idiot right now, Gabe. Stop back-pedalling and admit that you contradicted yourself, or you're just going to look like a child.

You are the one being an idiot, you scum. Do I think he can beat Jones? YES. Do I think he can beat Jones more than 50% of the time? NO. Show me where I said otherwise, you SCUM. You are a dumb piece of sh1t, just leave this forum, you annoying fuhk -- you are completely retarded for even thinking I would think that--- nobody can beat Jon Jones more than 50% of the time, Jon Jones name does not need to be included when discussing 205ers, he is way ahead of the rest of the bunch.

you have to be a real idiot to be arguing with ME over what I mean/feel/think... "oh no, you are wrong, that is not how you feel. this is how you feel..." just so stupid and annoying, jesus...

[Broxbomber]

No one here or ever said he was an elite boxer. You don't have to be an elite boxer to be better than Rampage at this point.

That is the whole point.

Rampage gets handed guys like Hamill, Jardine, Bader and he can't even KO them. Rampage is DONE. And has been done for a while. How do you stand 3 rounds with jardine and not finish him? Rampage's boxing is so overrated. He has been out-struck most any time he has fought a real striker besides Chuck. Since the Arona slam back in 2004...he has 4 stoppages due to striking. Yokoi, Eastman, and the incredible chins of Wandy and Liddell at the end of their careers. Since 2004 he has 4 striking stoppages....none are that impressive. But somehow he is still a feared striker....proof is in the pudd'n. Wheres the pudd'n?

Yea ok...His striking is such a myth.

My opinion is the Tex line is where it should be. Maybe Rampage finds a KO for once. But I'm not going to bet Rampage thinking he can rock Tex, when Hamill and Jardine were in front of him the whole night and he cruised to a dec. over terrible strikers. Rampage is leaving the UFC KO'd on the mat.

I agree with your points. You seem to be bang on. The only point that you don't mention is the knee surgeries. Those surely will effect Rampage's cardio.

The biggest factor in this fight is Rampages current state. I'm betting that he isn't mentally or physically prepared to fight. He has shown that he is on this path the past few years.

[Mercersux]

No one here or ever said he was an elite boxer. You don't have to be an elite boxer to be better than Rampage at this point.

That is the whole point.

Rampage gets handed guys like Hamill, Jardine, Bader and he can't even KO them. Rampage is DONE. And has been done for a while. How do you stand 3 rounds with jardine and not finish him? Rampage's boxing is so overrated. He has been out-struck most any time he has fought a real striker besides Chuck. Since the Arona slam back in 2004...he has 4 stoppages due to striking. Yokoi, Eastman, and the incredible chins of Wandy and Liddell at the end of their careers. Since 2004 he has 4 striking stoppages....none are that impressive. But somehow he is still a feared striker....proof is in the pudd'n. Wheres the pudd'n?

Yea ok...His striking is such a myth.

My opinion is the Tex line is where it should be. Maybe Rampage finds a KO for once. But I'm not going to bet Rampage thinking he can rock Tex, when Hamill and Jardine were in front of him the whole night and he cruised to a dec. over terrible strikers. Rampage is leaving the UFC KO'd on the mat.

Most complelling arguement I've seen for Glover so far. I'm just not sold on Glover. His career is littered with fighters who could hardly be considered notable. I also just have a very hard time getting over Glover being clipped by Maldonado who honestly had no reason being able to throw a punch of worth at the time and getting legit hurt badly. If you skim over Glover's complete record, there's no win that stands out and makes you impressed. This is why i feel alot hinges on the Rampage we get for this fight. It's not that long ago we got imo the best Rampage I can ever remember going into the Jon Jones fight. Granted he lost, but he had an extremely good showing. I don't doubt he could have beaten anyone in the LHW division in that form outside of Bones. I'm also not sold this is his final fight in the ufc. Especially if he knocks off Glover. If he wins there's plenty of avenue's you can take him for marketable fights. Shogun, Griffin a couple off the top of my head. He still attracts eyeballs and gets buys so I don't see any reason ufc won't show him enough money to keep him around.

[Rubber Guard]

I agree with your points. You seem to be bang on. The only point that you don't mention is the knee surgeries. Those surely will effect Rampage's cardio.

The biggest factor in this fight is Rampages current state. I'm betting that he isn't mentally or physically prepared to fight. He has shown that he is on this path the past few years.

He has shown up maybe once in the last handful of years....and that is when he was gifted a title shot. He had motivation to be the best Rampage possible.

And you are right, I forgot all about his recent knee injuries that forced him out of the bout with Shogun.

His only motivation at this point is probably sticking it to Dana and beating Tex a prospect. While Tex was calling for this fight. While the UFC happily put this together knowing that Rampage is done in the UFC after. Rampage is probably already getting his next movie in line after this fight.

One guy has aspirations of being elite in the UFC after a long road to get there. The other has 1 foot into retirement and hasn't shown up for hardly any fights in recent history.

[Rubber Guard]

Most complelling arguement I've seen for Glover so far. I'm just not sold on Glover. His career is littered with fighters who could hardly be considered notable. I also just have a very hard time getting over Glover being clipped by Maldonado who honestly had no reason being able to throw a punch of worth at the time and getting legit hurt badly. If you skim over Glover's complete record, there's no win that stands out and makes you impressed. This is why i feel alot hinges on the Rampage we get for this fight. It's not that long ago we got imo the best Rampage I can ever remember going into the Jon Jones fight. Granted he lost, but he had an extremely good showing. I don't doubt he could have beaten anyone in the LHW division in that form outside of Bones. I'm also not sold this is his final fight in the ufc. Especially if he knocks off Glover. If he wins there's plenty of avenue's you can take him for marketable fights. Shogun, Griffin a couple off the top of my head. He still attracts eyeballs and gets buys so I don't see any reason ufc won't show him enough money to keep him around.

Well he can only fight guys he was given. And he couldn't get into the country or else he would have been in the UFC a while ago.

What win does Page have that is worth a damn in recent history. I guess he "won" vs. Machida. But that was a terrible fight. The only thing that happened of any significance was Machida beating him up in the 3rd. He has no better wins though. Jardine? Hamill? Those aren't UFC caliber fighters....

He has creamed the guys he has been given. Yes, Maldonado caught him once. Tex got over confident. Pacman got over-confident vs. JMM and was dropped cold. It happens. Tex was cruising and probably dropped his guard a bit and was rocked by a guy who knows how to throw a punch. A guy who has an iron chin.

Mousasi has fought close to no one good in his career. But would we hold that against him if he entered the UFC? Would we not expect him to be a top 10 LHW because he fought outside the UFC and fought very few top fighters? No, most would pick him to win over the 6-10 ranked UFC LHWs. Many would pick him over Gustaf and Shogun.

I still think Lombard is overrated a bit. But he has fought no one. But I would still give him a very solid chance vs. the Bisping's, Munoz, Rockhold, and Stann's of the division.

From what I have heard Rampage said himself this is his final fight in the UFC. He has 1 fight left. He asked for Japan and showed up out of shape. Dana was pissed at him and he is on Dana's shit list. Dana isn't going to resign him to anything close to what he makes now, when he can't even beat Ryan Bader. The UFC realizes he is at the end of his career. And he isn't worth the money. Anything could happen. maybe he does resign. But everything I have read shows otherwise.

[ShotgunRua]

Glover/Rampage is definitely a no play for me.

[Mercersux]

Well he can only fight guys he was given. And he couldn't get into the country or else he would have been in the UFC a while ago.

What win does Page have that is worth a damn in recent history. I guess he "won" vs. Machida. But that was a terrible fight. The only thing that happened of any significance was Machida beating him up in the 3rd. He has no better wins though. Jardine? Hamill? Those aren't UFC caliber fighters....

He has creamed the guys he has been given. Yes, Maldonado caught him once. Tex got over confident. Pacman got over-confident vs. JMM and was dropped cold. It happens. Tex was cruising and probably dropped his guard a bit and was rocked by a guy who knows how to throw a punch. A guy who has an iron chin.

Mousasi has fought close to no one good in his career. But would we hold that against him if he entered the UFC? Would we not expect him to be a top 10 LHW because he fought outside the UFC and fought very few top fighters? No, most would pick him to win over the 6-10 ranked UFC LHWs. Many would pick him over Gustaf and Shogun.

I still think Lombard is overrated a bit. But he has fought no one. But I would still give him a very solid chance vs. the Bisping's, Munoz, Rockhold, and Stann's of the division.

From what I have heard Rampage said himself this is his final fight in the UFC. He has 1 fight left. He asked for Japan and showed up out of shape. Dana was pissed at him and he is on Dana's shit list. Dana isn't going to resign him to anything close to what he makes now, when he can't even beat Ryan Bader. The UFC realizes he is at the end of his career. And he isn't worth the money. Anything could happen. maybe he does resign. But everything I have read shows otherwise.

How much bs do you read coming from the ufc and the total opposite happens. I personally think Rampage stays after he picks up the W in this spot. I'm not saying I'm some know it all and because I think Rampage wins it will no doubt happen, I just feel he's terribly underestimated in this spot. I still think we're a couple of weeks out until we start truly seeing what Rampage is showing up but I'm banking on a confident in shape one. I don't rule out the possibility that Glover couldn't win because any fighter has a chance no matter how big or small, I just can't see what would justify playing Glover at that price. I can see plenty for Rampage tho.

[ShotgunRua]

You are the one being an idiot, you scum. Do I think he can beat Jones? YES. Do I think he can beat Jones more than 50% of the time? NO. Show me where I said otherwise, you SCUM. You are a dumb piece of sh1t, just leave this forum, you annoying fuhk -- you are completely retarded for even thinking I would think that--- nobody can beat Jon Jones more than 50% of the time, Jon Jones name does not need to be included when discussing 205ers, he is way ahead of the rest of the bunch.

you have to be a real idiot to be arguing with ME over what I mean/feel/think... "oh no, you are wrong, that is not how you feel. this is how you feel..." just so stupid and annoying, jesus...

Dude, if someone is saying you said something you didn't then there's 2 possibilities;

1/ They misinterpreted what you said
2/ They are trying to start an argument

Since nothing is more fruitless and childish than arguing with strangers on the internet, all you can do in this situation is calmly reiterate your point, and if that doesn't get you anywhere disengage from conversation with that person. You are coming across as very angry.... There are times in life to get angry and emotional, ask yourself is this one of them?

[MD]

You are the one being an idiot, you scum. Do I think he can beat Jones? YES. Do I think he can beat Jones more than 50% of the time? NO. Show me where I said otherwise, you SCUM. You are a dumb piece of sh1t, just leave this forum, you annoying fuhk -- you are completely retarded for even thinking I would think that--- nobody can beat Jon Jones more than 50% of the time, Jon Jones name does not need to be included when discussing 205ers, he is way ahead of the rest of the bunch.

you have to be a real idiot to be arguing with ME over what I mean/feel/think... "oh no, you are wrong, that is not how you feel. this is how you feel..." just so stupid and annoying, jesus...

Sure.

Glover on the other hand is 32 years old and has never fought anyone close to even top 10. Is he ahead of Jones, Machida, Henderson, Shogun, Guss, Rashad, Davis? Can he wrestle with some of those guys? Where is his cardio in comparison to some of those guys? We don't fully know, but to me those are the questions I have. I don't view him as being even close to top 5.

glover can beat everyone you just mentioned.

Anyone can beat anyone in MMA. Thanks for the lesson though.

all those guys, I meant he would beat them a majority of the time if they fought. You are really a stupid person, I almost didn't respond.

This is just getting sad.

Dude, if someone is saying you said something you didn't then there's 2 possibilities;

1/ They misinterpreted what you said
2/ They are trying to start an argument

Since nothing is more fruitless and childish than arguing with strangers on the internet, all you can do in this situation is calmly reiterate your point, and if that doesn't get you anywhere disengage from conversation with that person. You are coming across as very angry.... There are times in life to get angry and emotional, ask yourself is this one of them?

Oh he said these things. There's a blue arrow next to the quote which links to the original post, check it out for yourself.

[Mercersux]

Oh he said these things. There's a blue arrow next to the quote which links to the original post, check it out for yourself.

LOL Gabe is a scum bucket.

[ShotgunRua]

Oh he said these things. There's a blue arrow next to the quote which links to the original post, check it out for yourself.

Ah so he did......

[Sacrelicious]

To answer your question shotgun, the play on Rousey was only there to add a couple bucks into the parlay.

I should reiterate the fact that I'm only playing this parlay on the side of my regular betting. My funds aren't "tied up", its just a couple units to try juice out some extra cash from a few fights that I feel confident about.

[ShotgunRua]

To answer your question shotgun, the play on Rousey was only there to add a couple bucks into the parlay.

I should reiterate the fact that I'm only playing this parlay on the side of my regular betting. My funds aren't "tied up", its just a couple units to try juice out some extra cash from a few fights that I feel confident about.

Fair enough, you know if you're happy taking a slight risk here I'd be tempted to make it JDS via KO and GSP via decision. I really feel these are the 2 easiest to predict fight outcomes in the near future.

Like I said, I like your parlay, I'll more than likely throw a tiny amount on it, or at least a slightly modified version. Have you decided on much for next weekend mate? I've got JDS, JDS (KO), Wineland, Varner, Miller, and Belcher. I've been looking over last weeks abysmal performance and I've come to the conclusion I was too keen to pick a winner for nearly every fight, even when I was not fully up to speed on each guy. In hindsight I should've just played Pearson and Lombard, as I was pretty happy with both, but hey ho.

I've steering clear of the Boetsch fight, Philippou should win, but then so should all of the barbarian's MW opponents. I'm tempted to skip Varner/Guillard also, I had a play on Varner last time but I just think Guillard is too dangerous early on, probably be better holding off and sticking with the plays I have more confidence in.

[Vaughany]

Take this with a pinch of salt but Varner's mum was rushed in to hospital due to a bad case of diverticulitis so he has had that to deal with over last few days (she is still in hospital at moment). Whether it's significant or not I dont know, but it surely won't help with his mental state (which we already know can be a bit fragile as it is) considering he has a week left until his fight

[ShotgunRua]

Take this with a pinch of salt but Varner's mum was rushed in to hospital due to a bad case of diverticulitis so he has had that to deal with over last few days (she is still in hospital at moment). Whether it's significant or not I dont know, but it surely won't help with his mental state (which we already know can be a bit fragile as it is) considering he has a week left until his fight

Hmmm, thanks for the heads up. It's now a contest over who's mental state is worst I guess. I can imagine so many scenarios for this fight and each seem completely plausible, I think that's a warning sign to avoid forcing a pick.

[Vaughany]

Hmmm, thanks for the heads up. It's now a contest over who's mental state is worst I guess. I can imagine so many scenarios for this fight and each seem completely plausible, I think that's a warning sign to avoid forcing a pick.

yee my thoughts entirely.

[Digo]

Jones and Ronda ITD is a must in any parlay!

[Sacrelicious]

Fair enough, you know if you're happy taking a slight risk here I'd be tempted to make it JDS via KO and GSP via decision. I really feel these are the 2 easiest to predict fight outcomes in the near future.

Like I said, I like your parlay, I'll more than likely throw a tiny amount on it, or at least a slightly modified version. Have you decided on much for next weekend mate? I've got JDS, JDS (KO), Wineland, Varner, Miller, and Belcher. I've been looking over last weeks abysmal performance and I've come to the conclusion I was too keen to pick a winner for nearly every fight, even when I was not fully up to speed on each guy. In hindsight I should've just played Pearson and Lombard, as I was pretty happy with both, but hey ho.

I've steering clear of the Boetsch fight, Philippou should win, but then so should all of the barbarian's MW opponents. I'm tempted to skip Varner/Guillard also, I had a play on Varner last time but I just think Guillard is too dangerous early on, probably be better holding off and sticking with the plays I have more confidence in.

Similar picks to mine. I'm on Wineland, Belcher, Miller and Boetsch all quite light, with a little extra on miller, and quite hard on JDS. I'm avoiding the Varner/Guillard fight entirely.

[Sacrelicious]

Jones and Ronda ITD is a must in any parlay!

I'm not one hundred percent confident on Jones.

I will be betting on this fight very small, but my money will be on Chael, even though it will be a largely insignificant amount.

[Sacrelicious]

Yo Shotgun, you got a pick for Vitor and Bisping? That fights a huge head scratcher for me.

[Crassus]

I don't understand what the whole wrestling thing has to do with Glover vs Page. Glover will not take down Page. I disagree with you on the eliteness of Bader or Phil in MMA wrestling but so be it.

As for Pages boxing, you trash him for not finishing incredibly tough guys. Sure he didn't knock out Jardine but at that point, Jardines chin was solid. He didn't have the best but he still went to D with strikers like Vera, Chuck. Matt Hamill has been finished by two men, Gus when he was on something like a weeks notice and Rich Franklin (not exactly a striking slouch). Jardine fight was meh but Page did knock him down and hurt him a lot, and he DESTROYED Matt Hamill. Remember his face at the end? To say he SHOULD have finished Hamill is putting a lot down on him. He also rocked the hell out of Rashad in the third after a very tiring fight which should show his power.

Because you can't finish guys like Hamill, Bader (who he rocked in the first with the slam and was basically crippled), Machida, or Evans, you're suddenly a bad striker? Jardine is the only anomaly. At the same time, who has Glover finished that makes you think he'll finish someone like Page who hasn't even been rocked since the Rashad fight (from which he recovered incredibly well).

[ShotgunRua]

Yo Shotgun, you got a pick for Vitor and Bisping? That fights a huge head scratcher for me.

I was thinking over this one earlier today funnily enough, I see a Bisping decision here.

Belfort is currently getting a lot of praise for 2 aspects of his game;

1- His hand speed.... Yeah nobody can stand with Belfort, he blitzes people, he will murder Anderson in a rematch, etc etc etc. He's not had particularly fast hands since he was in his prime which was a long time ago IMO. He's actually pretty slow and plodding these days, rewatch the Rumble fight for reference. Yeah he can still rush a fighter if he gets the upper hand, but Bisping doesn't leave his opponents the kind of openings someone like Sexyama does, and I think he learned a lot from being H Bombed.

2- He nearly took Jones' arm off and made him look human!! He's a BJJ blackbelt, and Jones is a wrestler, there were always going to be sub opportunities and he took one. He literally spent the rest of that fight as target practice.


I personally see Bisping going full Frankie Edgar/Carlos Condit with a hint of Guida/Maynard for the first round or so, not doing much damage but avoiding the slower Belfort. From the middle of the fight Vitor will be a lot less dangerous and Bisping will probably outstrike him for a clear decision.

I'm thinking Bisping by decision small.

[sideloaded]

you guys are really missing the boat on the rousey fight. This isn't the sarah kaufman match up. Which IMO is the best match up for Rousey. A striker who relies on volume punching who specializes in stopping wrestling/leg attacks. Kaufman should throw her brown belt the trash because she is a horrible grappler.

Carmouche is a novice at absolutely everything in mma, and Rousey could actually win a boxing match against her. But we all know she has only one game plan.Rousey is the rightful favorite but I have her at -360.

Of all the things carmouche is good at it's grappling. Her RNC is actually pretty good and Rouseys super aggressive judo leaves her back open because in judo you just sprawl out and the ref stands the fight up.

Look carmouche probably wont win but anything north of +400 is value and you will be burned betting all this chalk one day.

[ShotgunRua]

you guys are really missing the boat on the rousey fight. This isn't the sarah kaufman match up. Which IMO is the best match up for Rousey. A striker who relies on volume punching who specializes in stopping wrestling/leg attacks. Kaufman should throw her brown belt the trash because she is a horrible grappler.

Carmouche is a novice at absolutely everything in mma, and Rousey could actually win a boxing match against her. But we all know she has only one game plan.Rousey is the rightful favorite but I have her at -360.

Of all the things carmouche is good at it's grappling. Her RNC is actually pretty good and Rouseys super aggressive judo leaves her back open because in judo you just sprawl out and the ref stands the fight up.

Look carmouche probably wont win but anything north of +400 is value and you will be burned betting all this chalk one day.

Agreed, there literally no point betting anything on Rousey in any capacity at current odds. Maybe a decent prop for 1st round vicotry or something similar but the minimal return isn't worth the risk.