Fairlay Review I rate A

**littlekona** · 11-07-17, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by betg

Thanks I have done file complaint but waiting few weeks with no response

still patience. Thank You.

Betg...How many deposits and then withdrawals did you do without wagering? Did you do multiple ones in any given day? Also was this before they started charging the .5mBtc fee for withdrawals?

**betg** · 11-07-17, 11:52 AM

@littlekona : few times a day - depending on day... sometimes I have been playing of course, sometimes not, it was before 5mBtc fee... otherwise it would be too costly to arb with this fee...

**littlekona** · 11-07-17, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by betg

@littlekona : few times a day - depending on day... sometimes I have been playing of course, sometimes not, it was before 5mBtc fee... otherwise it would be too costly to arb with this fee...

that makes no sense to deposit and withdrawal multiple times in a day with no wagers because you where Arbitrage wagering

...If you where truly Arbitrage wagering why would you do that esp with blockchain being so slow at times and sending fees high you said yourself the .5mBtc fee would of been to costly...Also you would want your funds there so you could Arbitrage wager on a great line ASAP not wait for it to confirm right? Can you agree with this statement " Fairlay was a site that you liked and trusted and processed instant withdrawals for u up to the point where the possible mixer scheme was alleged by them and KYC was asked for on or near the 40th time you did the deposit/withdrawal w. no wagering" just so we have a timeline here

**betg** · 11-08-17, 02:16 AM

Leave aside what I play or not and why, the main problem is that they have stolen 1.2btc of my deposit - depositting/withdrawing without playing wasn't against their t&c (don't know if they put new points later). At least I agreed to getback deposit to my bitcoin (if they think money laundering), put fee on withdrawal (iven if they don't have fees on it) or let me play X-times depo (not on terms as well). They have denied all of these points and made so many excuses to not pay and grab the money that I am at the wall.

**raiders72001** · 11-08-17, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

that makes no sense to deposit and withdrawal multiple times in a day with no wagers because you where Arbitrage wagering

...If you where truly Arbitrage wagering why would you do that esp with blockchain being so slow at times and sending fees high you said yourself the .5mBtc fee would of been to costly...Also you would want your funds there so you could Arbitrage wager on a great line ASAP not wait for it to confirm right? Can you agree with this statement " Fairlay was a site that you liked and trusted and processed instant withdrawals for u up to the point where the possible mixer scheme was alleged by them and KYC was asked for on or near the 40th time you did the deposit/withdrawal w. no wagering" just so we have a timeline here

littlekona- I like you as a poster and disagreeing isn't a big deal and can lead to productivity. I'm interested in the case because I strongly believe that a book should not police us.

Why do you think it's incumbent upon betag to prove that he's not involved in illegal activities? If he's money laundering and selling drugs, a book doesn't have a right to take his money.

If betg deposited money with GDAX and didn't make any trades, GDAX is still responsible to pay betg upon request. GDAX bans many because they feel someone's involved in illegal activities but they pay.

**littlekona** · 11-08-17, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

littlekona- I like you as a poster and disagreeing isn't a big deal and can lead to productivity. I'm interested in the case because I strongly believe that a book should not police us.

Why do you think it's incumbent upon betag to prove that he's not involved in illegal activities? If he's money laundering and selling drugs, a book doesn't have a right to take his money.

If betg deposited money with GDAX and didn't make any trades, GDAX is still responsible to pay betg upon request. GDAX bans many because they feel someone's involved in illegal activities but they pay.

I hear you...But what book does not "police" us I have read many books esp UK based asking for where funds came from and KYC...Even Nitrogen has froze accounts mine included when they thought something was up like a different IP address...if he did it a few times fine but when he does it 40X and does not provide simple request which in this case seems appropriate due to the frequency...He didn't respond for 2 months to the initial request from what I read on the BTC forum and then uses excuses like no camera...He also has cost all of us fairlay player BTC! they implemented the deposit and withdrawal fee most likely due to this...you can get around the deposit fee by sending to segwit address but not withdrawal .5mBTC ......maybe SBR can give us an update on dispute and has info we don't know

**raiders72001** · 11-08-17, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

I hear you...But what book does not "police" us I have read many books esp UK based asking for where funds came from and KYC...Even Nitrogen has froze accounts mine included when they thought something was up like a different IP address...if he did it a few times fine but when he does it 40X and does not provide simple request which in this case seems appropriate due to the frequency...He didn't respond for 2 months to the initial request from what I read on the BTC forum and then uses excuses like no camera...He also has cost all of us fairlay player BTC! they implemented the deposit and withdrawal fee most likely due to this...you can get around the deposit fee by sending to segwit address but not withdrawal .5mBTC ......maybe SBR can give us an update on dispute and has info we don't know

Nitrogen does it for your security. They don't want to pay the wrong person. I've had the same happen when changing IPs.

**littlekona** · 11-08-17, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Nitrogen does it for your security. They don't want to pay the wrong person. I've had the same happen when changing IPs.

They cleared up mine in less then hour there CS is good.....Question for you Raiders now that segwit2x fork is canceled what happens to segwit2x BTC address will it still work if u have one connected to account...at fairlay I have both a legacy and segwit deposit address,,,the segwit one is no fee deposits i use most of late will it still work?

**raiders72001** · 11-08-17, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

They cleared up mine in less then hour there CS is good.....Question for you Raiders now that segwit2x fork is canceled what happens to segwit2x BTC address will it still work if u have one connected to account...at fairlay I have both a legacy and segwit deposit address,,,the segwit one is no fee deposits i use most of late will it still work?

Fairlay stopped supporting segwit today.

**SportsMushroom** · 11-08-17, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

littlekona- I like you as a poster and disagreeing isn't a big deal and can lead to productivity. I'm interested in the case because I strongly believe that a book should not police us.
Why do you think it's incumbent upon betag to prove that he's not involved in illegal activities? If he's money laundering and selling drugs, a book doesn't have a right to take his money.
If betg deposited money with GDAX and didn't make any trades, GDAX is still responsible to pay betg upon request. GDAX bans many because they feel someone's involved in illegal activities but they pay.

well my guess would be, to discourage other people for using them for illegal activity

also the thing you probably dont realise, is that by using any service to perform an illegal act, eg in this case fairlay, you make them complicit

maybe they dont want to be complicit because of ethics, but they might also not want to be complicit because it draws unnecessary attention to them. if people use them to launder drug money, it wont be long before the feds are cracking down on them

if I was offering a service, and someone was taking advantage of my service to launder money, without my knowledge or consent, I would definitely confiscate their money

**Optional** · 11-08-17, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

well my guess would be, to discourage other people for using them for illegal activity

also the thing you probably dont realise, is that by using any service to perform an illegal act, eg in this case fairlay, you make them complicit

maybe they dont want to be complicit because of ethics, but they might also not want to be complicit because it draws unnecessary attention to them. if people use them to launder drug money, it wont be long before the feds are cracking down on them

if I was offering a service, and someone was taking advantage of my service to launder money, without my knowledge or consent, I would definitely confiscate their money

No private business has the right to levy a fine or "confiscate" money that was handed over in exchange for goods/services. That is up to govt/laws.

If they don't like the way he plays shutting down the account will show they are not complicit.

**littlekona** · 11-09-17, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Optional

No private business has the right to levy a fine or "confiscate" money that was handed over in exchange for goods/services. That is up to govt/laws.

If they don't like the way he plays shutting down the account will show they are not complicit.

I would agree in most cases but I think if BetG just complied with a reasonable request by Fairlay he would of gotten his funds...His actions with deposits and withdrawals where not normal plus its 1.2 BTC any legit person would comply...he stated he did not even respond to Fairlays request for 2 months on on other post https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...irlay-com.html I mean come on 2 months thats another huge red flag and then no camera for video...His excuse that they are not licensed is laughable and shows ignorance as he is willing to dump that kind of money into it without research and then cries once he got caught... @Betg just send them the video info requested and if they do not release your funds i will be first to say they are thieves

**raiders72001** · 11-09-17, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

I would agree in most cases but I think if BetG just complied with a reasonable request by Fairlay he would of gotten his funds...His actions with deposits and withdrawals where not normal plus its 1.2 BTC any legit person would comply...he stated he did not even respond to Fairlays request for 2 months on on other post https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...irlay-com.html I mean come on 2 months thats another huge red flag and then no camera for video...His excuse that they are not licensed is laughable and shows ignorance as he is willing to dump that kind of money into it without research and then cries once he got caught... @Betg just send them the video info requested and if they do not release your funds i will be first to say they are thieves

I don't want to keep beating a dead horse but I think that Optional's post is spot on. It doesn't matter if Fairlay has all the proof in the world that Betg was money laundering. They still don't have the right to confiscate his money. If they wish, they can then report it to the authorities.

Bigger companies under more scrutiny and regulations don't confiscate money. They close your account. Fairlay went and publicly accused the player of money laundering. It seems to me that because it's a large amount, they took advantage of the player to keep his money. If it were a lower amount, they would have paid.

**littlekona** · 11-09-17, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

I don't want to keep beating a dead horse but I think that Optional's post is spot on. It doesn't matter if Fairlay has all the proof in the world that Betg was money laundering. They still don't have the right to confiscate his money. If they wish, they can then report it to the authorities.

Bigger companies under more scrutiny and regulations don't confiscate money. They close your account. Fairlay went and publicly accused the player of money laundering. It seems to me that because it's a large amount, they took advantage of the player to keep his money. If it were a lower amount, they would have paid.

I dont think its fairlay trying to keep it...If they wanted to steal they could easy take more from bigger fish and we would of heard of at least one other complaint....the guys there seem fair...do you think they are justified and or within the terms for asking for KYC in this case? also this case is many many months old BTC was about 2K i think even dropped lower before the surge even though at thats still a good amount..
whatever I'm done with this BETG situation and will see if anything comes of it..hopefully Betg sends his KYC and gets paid as its good money if not he is to blame for his situation imO...you are right raiders beating dead horse!....lol

**raiders72001** · 11-09-17, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

I dont think its fairlay trying to keep it...If they wanted to steal they could easy take more from bigger fish and we would of heard of at least one other complaint....the guys there seem fair...do you think they are justified and or within the terms for asking for KYC in this case? also this case is many many months old BTC was about 2K i think even dropped lower before the surge even though at thats still a good amount

I agree they have the right to ask for KYC since it's in their rules. Coinbase and other exchanges ask for KYC but they pay and close your account if they aren't satisfied.

**raiders72001** · 11-09-17, 01:33 PM

To add, I did the same thing that betg does when I was using Coinbase. I went from sportsbook to the place with the lowest fee to Coinbase in order to keep from getting banned at Coinbase.

Betg was using Fairlay as a middle man.

**betg** · 11-09-17, 01:47 PM

littlekona are You work for them? man... KYC has been sent few months ago, they don't reply to me anymore because I denied to send video (no camera - yes I don't have camera what's strange with that? plus they have gave me 24h for doing this and I have told them about no camera almost instantly). Sent them ID,utility bill, if they don't accept it's their decision to close my account but pay... after video they request something iven more unreasonable - to prove funds in my bitcoin account - impossible to do this! when I asked how? they don;t reply because it's impossible for them as well.

**littlekona** · 11-09-17, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by betg

littlekona are You work for them? man... KYC has been sent few months ago, they don't reply to me anymore because I denied to send video (no camera - yes I don't have camera what's strange with that? plus they have gave me 24h for doing this and I have told them about no camera almost instantly). Sent them ID,utility bill, if they don't accept it's their decision to close my account but pay... after video they request something iven more unreasonable - to prove funds in my bitcoin account - impossible to do this! when I asked how? they don;t reply because it's impossible for them as well.

LOL, No I'm in USA..I just really like them and it being an exchange the more peeps the better everyone loves fast withdrawals and good odds right? ...this following are your words and is foundation of why I think you are not legit...that said if you do send video/info I do think they should release ure funds.. Oh and yes it is very stange u dont have a camera but have 20BTC + to wash

This...

Originally posted by betg

I have denied to send my documents many times as they have no license at all, don't know who stay behind this bookie so IMO they can't request these kind of documents if they run this illegal... anyway after I decided to send them they auto-replied "Thank You, now please send video with You holding visible ID + in second hand nickname" this was again too much, I have definitely denied (was very angry about next excuse) and they have gave me 24 hours to do this and if I won't do then it will be "too late". They have also requested PROVE of the funds deposited to the one address which I didn't iven found (used 1000+ addresses in my history) so this is really unreasonable excuses from them.

**raiders72001** · 11-09-17, 05:28 PM

littlekona - We know that betg lies but that's irrelevant. If he's using Fairlay as a middleman so he doesn't get banned at Coinbase, is that a valid reason? This isn't a case of bonus abuse. betg can lie all he wants but still should be paid.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-09-17, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

littlekona - We know that betg lies but that's irrelevant. If he's using Fairlay as a middleman so he doesn't get banned at Coinbase, is that a valid reason? This isn't a case of bonus abuse. betg can lie all he wants but still should be paid.

It does sound like betg tried using them as a middleman.

I think good business is rolling over your deposit at least 1 time. Even though it's not stated anywhere. If you rollover your deposit at least once... request a PO... and then they hassle you... that's when there's a problem.

**evo34** · 11-09-17, 08:44 PM

Seems odd to use a bitcoin sportsbook as a middleman to get to Coinbase. If Coinbase is any good at what they do, they should be able to figure out that the coins from Fairlay are just as dirty as the ones, say, from Heritage. Or am I missing something?

BTW, the repeated "I have no camera" lie tells me there's prob. a lot more to this story than we know. I'm pretty sure if some unlicensed book was demanding a video of me before returning my funds, I'd be able to dig up an iphone.

**betg** · 11-10-17, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by evo34

BTW, the repeated "I have no camera" lie tells me there's prob. a lot more to this story than we know. I'm pretty sure if some unlicensed book was demanding a video of me before returning my funds, I'd be able to dig up an iphone.

Sure... but after video they won't send money anyway I'm sure because they say it money laundering so what video change here? nothing! at least not anymore...(24h passed few months ago) like kyc didn't change anything... they will have new excuse like they already found - I have to prove source of funds on my bitcoin address... impossible but iven if possible they will find another and another excuse because they just COLLECTED it to their pocket and won't pay. IMO soon they will do this with everyone and book will dissapear as this is really RED FLAG HERE no matter if someone like them for fast payouts and good odds for now.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-12-17, 09:28 PM

Requested My First Payout With Fairlay

1. Confirmed Bitcoin Address With Email Verification. CHECK

2. Clicked the amount that I wanted to withdrawal. CHECK

Heading above screen said.... you will received your payout within a few minutes.

3. Clicked Payout just to check to see how the process is going? Received an error message that I couldn't request that page. Clicked Deposit for the heck of it... and received an error message that I couldn't request that page. Clicked STATEMENTS... and it shows bitcoin taken out of the acct. Then bitcoin immediately being Deposited back into acct... same amount.

I just emailed customer support... waiting on a response. Don't know what is going on????

**sdtrader** · 11-13-17, 12:04 AM

It says that bitcoin withdrawls are currently disabled due to the severe congestion of the network.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-13-17, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by sdtrader

It says that bitcoin withdrawls are currently disabled due to the severe congestion of the network.

Thanks for the post. The only message it stated on my screen prior to the payout request was... "All payouts will be done manually due to the upcoming fork. We will process all requests only once daily."

I'm concerned because the funds were taken out of my acct and automatically placed back into my acct. Now, I have no way of making a deposit and I have no way of making a payout request. I'm still allowed to wager on events and check my statement.

So, it just seems like my payout was rejected and now I'm blocked. When you click Deposits and Cashouts do you get the same error message as I do?

**SportsMushroom** · 11-13-17, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Optional

No private business has the right to levy a fine or "confiscate" money that was handed over in exchange for goods/services. That is up to govt/laws.

If they don't like the way he plays shutting down the account will show they are not complicit.

i agree in principle

but in reality, this money was not handed over in exchange for goods/services, the transaction by betg's side wasn't in good faith

its a difficult situation because although i agree that books should return deposit when closing accounts, I also advocate the eye for an eye principle, betg screws them, they screw him

they are an illegal operation anyway, it's ironic to demand of them to hold a high ethical standard

also as someone mentioned, by the time betg had agreed to provide the kyc, price of bitcoin skyrocketed, so if they pay him that means they lose a lot of money for something that is not their fault but is 100% the player's fault

maybe we can agree on a middle ground, they pay him back proportionately according to bitcoin exchange rate now and on deposit date

**betg** · 11-13-17, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

also as someone mentioned, by the time betg had agreed to provide the kyc, price of bitcoin skyrocketed, so if they pay him that means they lose a lot of money for something that is not their fault but is 100% the player's fault
maybe we can agree on a middle ground, they pay him back proportionately according to bitcoin exchange rate now and on deposit date

So what if bitcoin would go down to 500$... they should pay much more bitcoins to me? They are holding my funds for half year!! it's not my "100% fault"... I could have now 2-3x more btc from this money with my betting experience! so I am about 3 BTC loser + 1,2 holded... but cannot fight for it in any way.
To Everyone of You guys - WITHDRAW MONEY AS FAST AS YOU CAN, hopefully it's not too late as TheMoneyShot is reporting new troubles.

**littlekona** · 11-13-17, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Thanks for the post. The only message it stated on my screen prior to the payout request was... "All payouts will be done manually due to the upcoming fork. We will process all requests only once daily."

I'm concerned because the funds were taken out of my acct and automatically placed back into my acct. Now, I have no way of making a deposit and I have no way of making a payout request. I'm still allowed to wager on events and check my statement.

So, it just seems like my payout was rejected and now I'm blocked. When you click Deposits and Cashouts do you get the same error message as I do?

the new site has listed that instant withdrawals are on temp hold due to congestion of BTC network...go to new site under public support and ask them...I know they are doing manual push withdrawals for a 5mbtc fee...looks like network is slowly getting down its near 100K unconfirmed now hopefully lower by end of day

**Ap732** · 11-13-17, 08:49 AM

Help with fairlay

2 questions are.
#1 what adresss do i send my btc on that site to.
#2 call me crazy but im just.confused. if the bet example
Panthers -8 . I would.click the green place.on to take panthers -8 and the RED would.be taken the other team can someone please write back.so i can try this site out. Thank you

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-13-17, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

the new site has listed that instant withdrawals are on temp hold due to congestion of BTC network...go to new site under public support and ask them...I know they are doing manual push withdrawals for a 5mbtc fee...looks like network is slowly getting down its near 100K unconfirmed now hopefully lower by end of day

Thanks for the post.

**littlekona** · 11-13-17, 11:35 AM

my last one that was instant was Saturday Morning...then the blockchain went bat Sh^t and fees highest i have ever seen...the fee they send w is normally on the lower side and I think what happened was many they sent out at around 200 sat got stuck in the the conjestions when fees jumped to 800+ Sat...Crazy!

Edit...sorry the fee they sent my last one Saturday was .0009266 it confirmed in 5 hours so they did increase fees...

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-13-17, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

my last one that was instant was Saturday Morning...then the blockchain went bat Sh^t and fees highest i have ever seen...the fee they send w is normally on the lower side and I think what happened was many they sent out at around 200 sat got stuck in the the conjestions when fees jumped to 800+ Sat...Crazy!

Edit...sorry the fee they sent my last one Saturday was .0009266 it confirmed in 5 hours so they did increase fees...

I emailed customer support about the "manual cashout request" and no response. I posted it on the support board as well...

Several questions are posted and a lot of people aren't getting a response. It seems like Fairlay is hoping this blows over... and automatic cashout requests start up again.

**littlekona** · 11-13-17, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

I emailed customer support about the "manual cashout request" and no response. I posted it on the support board as well...

Several questions are posted and a lot of people aren't getting a response. It seems like Fairlay is hoping this blows over... and automatic cashout requests start up again.

there CS support responds 8-24 Hrs at times....its def not like Heritage but good enough...I used to email through old site but now just do public support..they will respond soon Im interested too in when they will start back as I love the instant withdrawls

**betg** · 11-13-17, 01:07 PM

You didn't learn from my complaint ... The site probably go down very soon, after they stolen 1.2btc you still playing there? Very high risk!!! I still hope they will pay you but playing there is more than roulette! They can hold your withdraw and never process !!! Stay away!!!

**littlekona** · 11-13-17, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by betg

You didn't learn from my complaint ... The site probably go down very soon, after they stolen 1.2btc you still playing there? Very high risk!!! I still hope they will pay you but playing there is more than roulette! They can hold your withdraw and never process !!! Stay away!!!

LOL....says the guy who deposits over 20BTC on a wagering site and does not wager and then withdrawals and starts process over and over again 40X then claims he has no camera for KYC....Change name to carrot top BETG hahahah

BTW...they did pay you every time until they finally caught on correct?