Fairlay Review I rate A

[trytrytry]

For now mailed them with the copy of the old one and waiting for an aswer.

betg

come on now lets treat Optional here at SBR and the staff some respect.

click the little buttons, and fill (re fill granted you tried it once) but fill it out again and hit submit.

[raiders72001]

betg- fill out SBR's complaint form. We know that you used fake ID at Fairlay but it's irrelevant as far as getting your funds back. Ask SBR to keep your real information private. Fairlay shouldn't be allowed to steal your funds no matter what you are doing outside of Fairlay.

No top book is going to publicly accuse you of money laundering. Fairlay has done so but I can't see how SBR would consider that relevant in helping to return your funds.

If you aren't going to fill out a complaint form then you should stop complaining here.

[Optional]

betg

come on now lets treat Optional here at SBR and the staff some respect.

click the little buttons, and fill (re fill granted you tried it once) but fill it out again and hit submit.

I don't get why, but it's fine if he just wants to reply to the initial one. I thought he really had not done one at all.

And for Raiders. I explained by PM that it was fine if he didn't want SBR to act for him, but he should back off with the posts a bit now if that was the case.

I'm hoping if BetG simply provides reasonable ID, SBR may be able to negotiate for a manager in there to revisit this and be a bit more reasonable with him too. Fairlay may not, as they appear to have dug their heels in already, but I sincerely think it's worth a try. I think someone in there just didn't understand that this is not fair industry practice or how bad doing this could look.

[littlekona]

I don't get why, but it's fine if he just wants to reply to the initial one. I thought he really had not done one at all.

And for Raiders. I explained by PM that it was fine if he didn't want SBR to act for him, but he should back off with the posts a bit now if that was the case.

I'm hoping if BetG simply provides reasonable ID, SBR may be able to negotiate for a manager in there to revisit this and be a bit more reasonable with him too. Fairlay may not, as they appear to have dug their heels in already, but I sincerely think it's worth a try. I think someone in there just didn't understand that this is not fair industry practice or how bad doing this could look.

The guys that run Fairlay are very reasonable and fair..I will say from what I have seen they are more on techie background then sports so u may be right about the industry standards....but they may also know more then they said in there statement on BeTG case...what ever the outcome for either party of the sbr review of case please keep us updated and ty optional for getting involved

[littlekona]

I don't get why, but it's fine if he just wants to reply to the initial one. I thought he really had not done one at all.

And for Raiders. I explained by PM that it was fine if he didn't want SBR to act for him, but he should back off with the posts a bit now if that was the case.

I'm hoping if BetG simply provides reasonable ID, SBR may be able to negotiate for a manager in there to revisit this and be a bit more reasonable with him too. Fairlay may not, as they appear to have dug their heels in already, but I sincerely think it's worth a try. I think someone in there just didn't understand that this is not fair industry practice or how bad doing this could look.

Hey Optional, any updates on this?

[littlekona]

I don't get why, but it's fine if he just wants to reply to the initial one. I thought he really had not done one at all.

And for Raiders. I explained by PM that it was fine if he didn't want SBR to act for him, but he should back off with the posts a bit now if that was the case.

I'm hoping if BetG simply provides reasonable ID, SBR may be able to negotiate for a manager in there to revisit this and be a bit more reasonable with him too. Fairlay may not, as they appear to have dug their heels in already, but I sincerely think it's worth a try. I think someone in there just didn't understand that this is not fair industry practice or how bad doing this could look.

Hey Optional or any other Admin: So what happened here..Outcome? Was it submitted and what happened as BETG has gone MIA.....Plus what's going on with reviewing this book its been over a year plus many peeps use with good reviews yet not listed on SBR...?????

[littlekona]

It's just a full blown mystery why they selected to hold onto your funds... but not a single other incident since? Odd.

So what is the outcome here SBR? Plus why no rating yet? you asked feedback over a year ago and many happy peeps here use with them good reviews and fast instant payouts...Fairlay should be listed as the #2 BTC wagering option for USA behind Nitrogen though Fairlay does have better odds by a mile....??????? can SBR please address what gives????

[littlekona]

So what is the outcome here SBR? Plus why no rating yet? you asked feedback over a year ago and many happy peeps here use with them good reviews and fast instant payouts...Fairlay should be listed as the #2 BTC wagering option for USA behind Nitrogen though Fairlay does have better odds by a mile....??????? can SBR please address what gives????

Oh where, oh where
Has my little BETG gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?

[raiders72001]

Oh where, oh where
Has my little BETG gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?

He figured out that Fairlay was going to stiff him and decided to let it go. Fairlay realizes that all they have to do is accuse of player of money laundering and there will be no repercussions because of a cult like following that will beat the player down to the end of time.

[littlekona]

He figured out that Fairlay was going to stiff him and decided to let it go. If you are owed $50k, Fairlay is one of the last places you want your money if you are a winning gambler.

Fairlay realizes that all they have to do is accuse of player of money laundering and there will be no repercussions because of a cult like following that will beat the player down to the end of time.

One crook BETG in 4 plus years with a complaint and then doesn’t even follow up on it as he knows he committed fraud and you stick up for him.? ..tiss tiss raiders come on now....Bitcoinrush has scammed peeps including seizing legit affiliate funds and you praises them plus Nitro which I love and is my number 1 book you can say stole millions from peeps by not paying btc cash out....btw Fairlay did pay btc cash(only book that didthat) and a big sum too...I use many books and all I’d recommend to fellow sbr guys and Fairlay is in that list.....Fairlay is the number 2 place for USA peeps for btc exclusive books....cloud bet Betcoin are not reliable since they posted no USA.....Find any legit complaint against Fairlay and then post but your points are just your personal opinion and based on a fraudulent BETG who is a obvious crook.....where is SBR? review? That’s the real question here..

[raiders72001]

One crook BETG in 4 plus years with a complaint and then doesn’t even follow up on it as he knows he committed fraud and you stick up for him.? ..tiss tiss raiders come on now....Bitcoinrush has scammed peeps including seizing legit affiliate funds and you praises them plus Nitro which I love and is my number 1 book you can say stole millions from peeps by not paying btc cash out....btw Fairlay did pay btc cash(only book that didthat) and a big sum too...I use many books and all I’d recommend to fellow sbr guys and Fairlay is in that list.....Fairlay is the number 2 place for USA peeps for btc exclusive books....cloud bet Betcoin are not reliable since they posted no USA.....Find any legit complaint against Fairlay and then post but your points are just your personal opinion and based on a fraudulent BETG who is a obvious crook.....where is SBR? review? That’s the real question here..

The history of Fairlay means absolutely nothing in betg's case. It doesn't matter if Fairlay has a perfect record for 20 years. They stole money from betg. Just look at the facts of that case. It's unfair of you to beat up on betg almost daily when he did nothing wrong.

Even though Betcoin and Cloudbet have nothing to do with betg and Fairlay, US players aren't banned from Betcoin and Cloudbet (not 100% sure on Cloudbet since I'm not playing there now although I do have an account). Betcoin and Cloudbet aren't going to ask for video.


I'm not doing anything wrong, but I'll only play at books that aren't going to invade my privacy and accuse me of money laundering if I'm up a substantial amount. I can play at Pinny if I want. Pinny is the safest place for a player to keep their money. They shouldn't be downgraded because they state players are banned from the US.

[raiders72001]

littlekona- I don't care if you praise Fairlay 10 times a day but it's wrong of you to pick on betg ad nauseam.

[littlekona]

Any Book BTC, FIAT, VEGAS ect will "invade your privacy" and ask for docs/info if they suspect Fraud...It's a fact and listed in T/C's in every book including Nitrogen...You keep bringing that up....If you are innocent just provide docs and cooperate, if not pull a BETG...But its a fact that books can and will ask if Red Flags are raised no mater BTC exclusive or Not..

You are correct Pinny is Def the best place! I wish had had access... BUT if you are in restricted country ie USA FAIRLAY offers odds similar or BETTER than Pinnacle! They are clearly the best Bitcoin Book for Odds and Instant Payouts out there and 2nd only behind full service btc book Nitogen who is clear #1 for BTC books...

You are also correct that books should not be downgraded due to restricted countries BUT SBR needs to update( and clean up/update the entire BTC exclusive list) them as NO USA ALLOWED unless SBR specifically gest info from Book that they are ok with VPN ect like asainconnect does..If not that's a big risk

[raiders72001]

Any Book BTC, FIAT, VEGAS ect will "invade your privacy" and ask for docs/info if they suspect Fraud...It's a fact and listed in T/C's in every book including Nitrogen

littlekona- Name one book or exchange that has stolen funds by accusing a player of money laundering? Use facts, not suppositions.

Fairlay was going to get a video of betg and turn him into authorities. You can rate them an A but they should be closer to F for this type of behavior.

It's not going to bother me at all on the rating that SBR gives Fairlay even if it's A or F.

[trytrytry]

littlekona support the post up players

As of this moment Fairlay is stealing a post up player funds (and a large amount at that) they took funds from him accepting them with no issues and now are stealing it.

Its that simple they are a D- book

yes they can recover!!! Get this stolen money back to the player, and have a good year 2018 of no issues they will move up the grading scale and perhaps become a true bitcoin book option for players to consider

for now a D- obviously maybe lower

it does not matter how much garbage you type in this thread.

in fact please stop the madness

[littlekona]

littlekona support the post up players

As of this moment Fairlay is stealing a post up player funds (and a large amount at that) they took funds from him accepting them with no issues and now are stealing it.

Its that simple they are a D- book

yes they can recover!!! Get this stolen money back to the player, and have a good year 2018 of no issues they will move up the grading scale and perhaps become a true bitcoin book option for players to consider

for now a D- obviously maybe lower

it does not matter how much garbage you type in this thread.

in fact please stop the madness

Do you even know for a fact that BETG had funds frozen? he has lied about everything that is only fact we know for sure.. As far as I can tell he has not even filed a complaint....He's typical hit and run 1st time poster cry's victim when he's actually a crock...Only Garbage is your statement next here and fact that SBR has not graded fairlay or commented...Where is SBR comments ? fairlay is respected book by actual peeps that use they need a grade like all other books start em at B-

[raiders72001]

littlekona support the post up players

As of this moment Fairlay is stealing a post up player funds (and a large amount at that) they took funds from him accepting them with no issues and now are stealing it.

Its that simple they are a D- book

yes they can recover!!! Get this stolen money back to the player, and have a good year 2018 of no issues they will move up the grading scale and perhaps become a true bitcoin book option for players to consider

for now a D- obviously maybe lower

it does not matter how much garbage you type in this thread.

in fact please stop the madness

agree

[littlekona]

littlekona- Name one book or exchange that has stolen funds by accusing a player of money laundering? Use facts, not suppositions.

Fairlay was going to get a video of betg and turn him into authorities. You can rate them an A but they should be closer to F for this type of behavior.

It's not going to bother me at all on the rating that SBR gives Fairlay even if it's A or F.

"suppositions" your statement is that....BETG did NOT even file a complaint Sir.....So in 4+ years FAIRLAY has zero legit complainants filed right??..The argument that they will turn him over to police is Hilarious! TY for that! I see people all the time get accounts frozen and KYC requested for fraud ie credit card or other payment processing frauds from plenty of B and higher books and many licensed in UK...Now if BETG actually made wagers instead of his deposit withdrawal mix scheme over and over 30 times then I believe you could make a case...But the guy did not follow any requests from fairlay, sbr and many peeps in this forum....He caused own issue. If you are wagering online read the T/C's in your book and if you feel you can not comply do not use them esp if KYC is listed as a possibility if RED flags or suspected fraud occurs... The funny thing is EVERY book has occasional issues your recommended book BITCOINRUSH has documented cases from a legit and respected remember of the online gambling community of THEFT of affiliate funds.I would not drop there rating due to that 1 situation as again its unique..Bottom line is that this BETG case is total outlier due to his actions....Again I will ask where is SBR and can they make a statement and grade fairlay so we can-move on???

BTW Raiders...I still love you man! just disagree on this one Bro!

[TheMoneyShot]

Trying to still be open minded on this topic. And not closed off....

Do you think it was right for betg to use Fairlay as some sort of MIXER? Should he of received some sort of warning first not to do it?

There's a reason why Fairlay took the funds... and it's on them. Apparently they know more of the story than we do.


I sure as hell wouldn't want to fuk around with 10k+ use it as a mixer... and not place any wagers... at a wagering site. You're sort of asking for trouble.

[littlekona]

Exactly....Now guys besides all the other issues with BETG what if Fairlay knows that the BTC BETG mixed was stolen? Should he still get it back? If I used a stolen credit card or bank info should the Book pay me and or process my withdrawals? Or should they freeze account until its I proved it was really my accounts?

Money shot has moved a lot of btc in and out w no issues as have I..look at fairlay cold wallet it has all funds secure there and it’s transparent...Betg 1.2 btc is nothing to fairlay...they have good reasons due to AML laws

[Optional]

I like your passion Kona, but really, Betg is not the problem. Forget him. He's not even posting.

You are not going to change the minds of people who already think the confiscation is not justified, so all you are really doing doing is ensuring more people learn about it.

I'm not saying to stop that, but you really do seem to be doing BetG's promotional work for him now, rather than helping the cause you like.

[littlekona]

I like your passion Kona, but really, Betg is not the problem. Forget him. He's not even posting.

You are not going to change the minds of people who already think the confiscation is not justified, so all you are really doing doing is ensuring more people learn about it.

I'm not saying to stop that, but you really do seem to be doing BetG's promotional work for him now, rather than helping the cause you like.

sounds good optional...one thing I will ask of you as a representative SBR and SBR management is to grade them then so IF there are disputes they can be properly documented and vetted out...I would ask that of any book I play at that I have good experience with...You have to admit that looking at all Fairlay posts and threads that actual players have posted objectively they are a decent and reliable place....Just get them graded SBR should...Can I get your commitment to do this? That's fair right?

Well I'm on Nitro Poker baby game if anyone is bored come play...YES!! Super Bowl Cash Game Challenge Completed!

[Optional]

Yeah I think they should be rated Kona

As per our multiple PMs, I'm not part of the decision making process but I'll do what I can.

[raiders72001]

"suppositions" your statement is that....BETG did NOT even file a complaint Sir.....So in 4+ years FAIRLAY has zero legit complainants filed right??..The argument that they will turn him over to police is Hilarious! TY for that! I see people all the time get accounts frozen and KYC requested for fraud ie credit card or other payment processing frauds from plenty of B and higher books and many licensed in UK...Now if BETG actually made wagers instead of his deposit withdrawal mix scheme over and over 30 times then I believe you could make a case...But the guy did not follow any requests from fairlay, sbr and many peeps in this forum....He caused own issue. If you are wagering online read the T/C's in your book and if you feel you can not comply do not use them esp if KYC is listed as a possibility if RED flags or suspected fraud occurs... The funny thing is EVERY book has occasional issues your recommended book BITCOINRUSH has documented cases from a legit and respected remember of the online gambling community of THEFT of affiliate funds.I would not drop there rating due to that 1 situation as again its unique..Bottom line is that this BETG case is total outlier due to his actions....Again I will ask where is SBR and can they make a statement and grade fairlay so we can-move on???

BTW Raiders...I still love you man! just disagree on this one Bro!

[TheMoneyShot]

Be extremely careful when requesting PO's from Fairlay.

Just made a request... I paid them $8.21 for a priority PO.

They processed at $0.41

It may never get confirmed.

I knew I should of never paid extra fuk em.

[raiders72001]

Be extremely careful when requesting PO's from Fairlay.

Just made a request... I paid them $8.21 for a priority PO.

They processed at $0.41

It may never get confirmed.

I knew I should of never paid extra fuk em.

keep us updated.

[TheMoneyShot]

keep us updated.

Wow! Miraculously it was just confirmed. Holy sh@# 25 minutes.

Not chancing this BS anymore.... you can't count on them. They should of paid more on the network fees.

[Optional]

Be extremely careful when requesting PO's from Fairlay.

Just made a request... I paid them $8.21 for a priority PO.

They processed at $0.41

It may never get confirmed.

I knew I should of never paid extra fuk em.

Did you ask them why they charged you 8.21 and only spent 41 cents?

Maybe it was part of a batch payment and the fee was all that was needed at that time?

[mrpapageorgio]

Wow! Miraculously it was just confirmed. Holy sh@# 25 minutes.

Not chancing this BS anymore.... you can't count on them. They should of paid more on the network fees.

The mempool has been very small today and is virtually empty as I post this (less than 1MB), so you could've sent something for 5 cents and it'll likely go through tonight.

[littlekona]

They also use segwit plus fee per weight calculations and are total btc teck geeks there running own nods...i have been just doing standard .5mbtc fee and getting similar confirmation times under 1 hour most.....bottom line is they pay and pay fast even after superbowl....keep us posted moneyshot or others that use....but low miner fees and fast confirmations will become the norm again network lighting process will make even faster this week..

As far as there fee for withdrawals I only do proirty when I see the BTC network is congested....the Fee (.5/ or 1mbtc) they charge I think is just some juice for them since they have zero commissions...Nitro i get the charge .5mbtc and of late they never send for that amount too so I think they all just send with fees that are necessary at time...It's reasonable i feel for nitro and fairlay the fees

https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

[TheMoneyShot]

They also use segwit plus fee per weight calculations and are total btc teck geeks there running own nods...i have been just doing standard .5mbtc fee and getting similar confirmation times under 1 hour most.....bottom line is they pay and pay fast even after superbowl....keep us posted moneyshot or others that use....but low miner fees and fast confirmations will become the norm again network lighting process will make even faster this week..

As far as there fee for withdrawals I only do proirty when I see the BTC network is congested....the Fee (.5/ or 1mbtc) they charge I think is just some juice for them since they have zero commissions...Nitro i get the charge .5mbtc and of late they never send for that amount too so I think they all just send with fees that are necessary at time...It's reasonable i feel for nitro and fairlay the fees

https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

Kona... with all due respect... I took your advice because I needed it to get somewhere rather quickly.... so I spent the 1 mBTC.

But I'm extremely disappointed with Fairlay spending $0.41... when I paid a lot more.

Fairlay got lucky in regards to the network. Of course... no telling how much they would of spent on fees if I only sent them 0.5 mBTC?? Maybe only $0.03???

I'm just saying.... if you need to convert your BTC over to a different currency quickly.... don't count on them. Last 3 PO's have been shi@#y. Very inconsistent.

[littlekona]

Kona... with all due respect... I took your advice because I needed it to get somewhere rather quickly.... so I spent the 1 mBTC.

But I'm extremely disappointed with Fairlay spending $0.41... when I paid a lot more.

Fairlay got lucky in regards to the network. Of course... no telling how much they would of spent on fees if I only sent them 0.5 mBTC?? Maybe only $0.03???

I'm just saying.... if you need to convert your BTC over to a different currency quickly.... don't count on them. Last 3 PO's have been shi@#y. Very inconsistent.

come on now MoneyShot....you have been with fairlay long enough to know that they short fees at times and only time that it matters is when network is congested.... they sent my last one 21 SAT it confirmed in under hour...PO miners fees are no issue currently...So they take a couple bucks from you on the payout fee Nitro does the same but I bet your Vig on those winning wagers was juicy good at fairlay plus Zero commissions too and instant payout too...Congrats on the Win! Admit it you love them!

[betg]

Still not paid, no contact from them, they do not care at all, gl guys but I will truly AVOID FROM PLAYING HERE.

[betg]

Hope nobody will sing like CARLOS FROM NEW YORK CITY NEW YORK fairlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[trytrytry]

Still not paid, no contact from them, they do not care at all, gl guys but I will truly AVOID FROM PLAYING HERE.

did you fill out an official SBR complaint report? please be specific if you have not as to why not. thanks