im goin on the under 7.5 (large) and headed to the game
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8/4/2008 4:20 AM Parlay $210.00 $905.13 Baseball - 958 Arizona Diamondbacks -275 for Game
Baseball - 963 Cleveland Indians +114 for Game
Baseball - 971 Minnesota Twins -122 for GameComment -
i think tb wins today
you guys are picking cleve bc of one thing, their starter
garza isnt much worse than lee, and tampa has a great pen, cleve doesnt
tampa doesnt lose at home
i know tmapa doesnt hit lefites but garza isnt that hittable either
i just dont see value on cleveland here. last place vs first placeComment -
Tampa didnt even deserve to win yesterday and they lose today 4-5 InjunsComment -
How is Garza not that hittable either I know he pitched better at home but cmon
Sorry got jumbled the paste...but Garza went 5 innings gave up 11 hits and 7 runs this year VS IndiansComment -
162 games, many teams dont deserve to win many games
detroit has no pen, so i dont think they deserve to win any games eitherComment -
garza is not that much worse than lee
garza has beaten halladay 2x in the last 2 weeks
who else does that
garza is a bad assComment -
2 good starters make this look like under is a good play, but 7 1/2 -125 takes away any value in that playComment -
Ice-Blood,
How do we define "value" here? Lee + Garza = Under. The Indians don't hit on the road. The Rays' strength lies more in pitching than in offense. I see so much value in the Under play here, just as I see much value in the Under play of the Braves/Giants game.Comment -
if it was 8 under -110, i would play it. linesmaker has adjusted the line to where it should be, plus you gotta lay -125 on a total.Comment -
tamps is better than cleve
tampa is better at home than anyone
cleve has no pen
so you guys are betting cleveland solely bc of cliff lee
thats makes no sense at all
bad ideaComment -
I think Cleveland is the better play on the 5 inning line, and I think I will play it. Excited to see this game. You may very well be right on the game line, though, ryan!Comment -
that may be the way to go due to the pen issues
gl to youComment -
i cant decide on this at all. id take TB if i had 2 choose because their pen is way better. but garza is 0-2 vs them career, not worth it 2 take it. so im going to lay off it.Comment -
garza is not the same pitcher he was last yrComment -
Garza is outstanding at home, but fortunately Lee is also a fly ball pitcher. Jason Bartlett may be out, and Carl Crawford is expected to be out. Indians have been hitting better all season, last 7, last 30. Rays are somewhat worse vs southpaws. The only problem I see here is TB's outstanding home record, though I expect the 5 inning line to help Neutralize this. And the bonus is that, yes, the Indians shelled Garza earlier this year, while Lee allowed no runs in 6 innings vs the Rays. I like the plus money in 5 innings.Comment -
maybe cleve is the play, but i dont touch teams with no pens is the thingComment -
such a tough game to call
garza is good people, he really isComment -
Yes he is good. (I consider the pitching matchup to be about even.) Are the Rays your team?Comment -
my teams are the rangers, phils, twins, and dbacks
those are my fave four
but i do like the rays to win the east and i really enjoy watching them play
my preseason pick to win it all was the tribe, so it hurts to see them so beat up and bad but they lost everybody so early
i guess the fact tb doesnt hit lefties counts for something, but jesus tb does not lose at homeComment -
i agree with you big ugly, they are about evenComment -
Garza is overrated people, he really is. 0.45 FIP-ERA 4.55 xFIP .260 BAbip at home"Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"
"Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"Comment -
he isnt overrated, he beat the so called best pitcher in baseball 2x in the last 2 weeksComment -
I think that has a little more to do with the teams than the pitchers, don't you? Are you really trying to argue Garza isn't overrated because he won two games? Wow, just wow."Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"
"Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"Comment -
how is he overrated? who rates him highly/ or should i rate cliff lee highly because of 4 months of good pitching?
you are betting on tampa or cleve to win the game, not lee or garza
who is the better teamComment -
I didn't say Garza was as good as Lee...I said I considered the pitching matchup to be about even. Garza may be better than Lee. He has a better lifetime ERA.Comment -
apparently only lee's era the last 4 months count for badbeat
not sure whyComment -
Apparently you're crazy too!
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i am a crazy idiot says he, but who knows
i know lee is good, and i may agree with you that cleve is the pick todayComment -
Garza has been really good at home this year... I wouldn't be backing C Lee.Comment -
this is a very very tough game to call
but no crawdaddy or bartlett made it a bit easier
tb wins 3 of 4 at home, cleve loses 2 of every 3 on the road
how in the hell does someone pick cleve here? solely bc of lee?Comment -
How is he overrated? Because people look at ERA and WHIP and those aren't good indications of how a pitcher has truly done. All THREE of FIP-ERA, xFIP, and BAbip show his surface numbers are better than he's pitched. This is not hard to understand."Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"
"Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"Comment -
his team is 43-16 at home vs a team who is 19-36 on the road
those stats mean a lot more than starting pitcher stats
one hting i have learned from years of betting: starters affect lines more than they should
what if lee gets into a jam in the 3rd and throws 36 pitches
then what
then he wont be around to have a wonderful FIP or babip so who gives a shit
take the better team
this aint rocket scienceComment -
Not once did I say who I would back in this game. I was merely pointing out how voverrated Garza is, ESPECIALLY at home.
There is a reason SPs affect a line: BECAUSE THEY AFFECT A GAME SO MUCH.
"Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"
"Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"Comment
