Sad seventh anniversary for Cubs, Bartman

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  • Brock Landers
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 06-30-08
    • 45359

    #1
    Sad seventh anniversary for Cubs, Bartman
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    (AP photo)

    By Paul Sullivan

    While no one in Wrigleyville will be celebrating, Thursday marks the seventh anniversary of Game 6 of the 2003 National League Championship Series, commonly referred to as the "Bartman" game.
    The foul ball down the left-field line off the bat of Florida's Luis Castillo started in motion a sequence of events at Wrigley Field that ultimately led to an eight-run, eighth-inning rally that doomed the Cubs' best chance in 48 years of going to a World Series.
    Former manager Dusty Baker said the next day the Cubs would invite Steve Bartman to the victory parade if they won the World Series. But they lost Game 7 as well, and have not won a postseason game since. The Cub were 0-6 in their two playoff appearances in 2007 and '08.
    Bartman never has spoken publicly about his infamous moment in Cubs' history, though he apologized the next day and the Cubs issued a statement absolving him. Cubs fans, for the most part, have forgiven Bartman, directing the blame toward shortstop Alex Gonzalez, who made a crucial error, or starter Mark Prior, who became unraveled.

    But fair or not, Bartman's legacy remains intact, perpetuated by the national media. Fox Sports aired a promo for the 2010 NLCS that featured a freeze-frame shot of Bartman going for the ball. ESPN had scheduled Academy Award winning filmmaker Alex Gibney's documentary on Bartman for their "30-30" series to coincide with the start of the World Series.

    But the film, entitled "Catching Hell," was recently pushed back from Oct. 26 to some time in 2011 at the request of Gibney. No air date has been scheduled, an ESPN spokesman said.
    "When Alex Gibney asks for more time, you give it to him," she said.
    Gibney told filmcritic.com recently that the film was about both Bill Buckner, the goat of Boston's 1986 World Series collapse, and Bartman,
    "I'm a Red Sox fan, and I became interested in this topic as a result of the Bartman incident, where he interfered with a foul ball during an important Cubs playoff game," Gibney said. "It seemed like it was an eerie replay of what happened to Buckner in 1986. There was a horrible collapse on the doorstep of victory. I don't know if Buckner's life was ruined, but it was kind of a living hell for him for some time. And it was something he could not escape. I mean, he had a Hall of Fame career. He won a batting title. He had more hits than Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio. And yet he's only remembered for one thing.
    "That was a bitter blow. And Steve Bartman is just a fan. But somehow he took all the blame, even though there are many other people to more rightly blame for the Cubs' collapse. What's interesting to me about it is that the enthusiasm of the fan turns into a very dark place, particularly for these two cities that had gone so long -- well, the Red Sox have since won a World Series, but the Cubs are still there -- without winning. It eats away at people. In the good times, it makes for wonderful enthusiasm, but in the bad times it really leads to a pretty dark place."
    When the documentary was announced in the summer of 2009, two of the game's participants, Derrek Lee (then with Florida) and Aramis Ramirez, told the Tribune it was a bad idea.
    "They should probably let it go," Lee said. "It's a non-issue. It didn't change the game, no matter what anyone says. He did what any fan would've done, and there were five other people trying to do the same thing. He just happened to get his hand on it. At the time, we saw Moises (Alou) get upset, but it's a play that happens quite a bit. It's not like it was some crazy, random thing. It happened. Now let it go."
    Ramirez agreed, saying Gonzalez's error began the downfall.
    "Mo had a chance to make that play, but the ball was in the stands," he said. "Otherwise, they would've called the batter out (for fan interference). After that (Alex) Gonzalez made an error and they scored five more runs, so it wasn't Bartman's fault. We just didn't get it done."
  • ronjon619
    SBR MVP
    • 09-06-09
    • 3675

    #2
    I forgot all about that guy, does he still go to Cubs games?
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    • Brock Landers
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 06-30-08
      • 45359

      #3
      Originally posted by ronjon619
      I forgot all about that guy, does he still go to Cubs games?
      he basically can't LOL

      ESPN doing a 30 for 30 about him and buckner
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      • Willie Bee
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-14-06
        • 15726

        #4
        Yes, I was struck by the melancholy of the anniversary this morning. Damn near cried in my bowl of Grape Nuts, got so depressed that I just said fcuk it and made a breakfast cocktail. Poor, poor Cubs.
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        • koby25
          SBR MVP
          • 10-14-08
          • 1507

          #5
          I feel bad for him and the team?
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          • Nicky Santoro
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-08-08
            • 16103

            #6
            poor kid. oh how his life changed that day forever. i'm sure he regretted going to that game or goign for that ball. i'm sure in the last 7 yrs, he was pushed and bullied around on the street at least 238 times and maybe even slapped in the face. people had money on those games and alot really go nuts for the cubs.

            i am really even shocked he didn't get badly beat up or get shot..
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            • Killer_Demo
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 06-15-08
              • 8409

              #7
              sucks to be that guy
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              • Nicky Santoro
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 04-08-08
                • 16103

                #8
                well, bartman has one thing going.. he has that so uncommon face. blond hair, light features.. if this guy wanted.. and maybe he did this.. all he has to do is take off his glasses, don't wear a cap and just wear contacts and not one person will recognize him. he can even go to those sun tan machines to make sure he looks nothing like himself. he can even sport a small dark rug and he's fine. no one will ever know it's him.

                i'm sure he's left his house with disguises before. he'll easily get away with it and no one will bother him.
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                • Brock Landers
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 06-30-08
                  • 45359

                  #9
                  still amazing to me to this day, the Cubs were on their way to the WS. One wicked inning there prevented it.
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                  • Art Vandelay
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-11-06
                    • 6690

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                    poor kid. oh how his life changed that day forever. i'm sure he regretted going to that game or goign for that ball. i'm sure in the last 7 yrs, he was pushed and bullied around on the street at least 238 times and maybe even slapped in the face. people had money on those games and alot really go nuts for the cubs.

                    i am really even shocked he didn't get badly beat up or get shot..
                    That's the typical loser Cub fan mentality - blame it on everything except their lousy teams. Alou even said himself that Bartman had no affect on him not catching that ball. The kid has probably been in solitary confinement with his giant headphones since that happened.
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                    • sneak-a-peak
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-07-09
                      • 1373

                      #11
                      Feels like it was yesterday

                      He is forever legendary

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                      • Boscoe
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-08-10
                        • 2811

                        #12
                        do chicago fans even care about that guy? it's obvious that he had nothing to do with the cubs giving up 8 runs in that inning. even the players acknowledge that. comparing him to buckner is absolutely ridiculous.
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                        • FLO31
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 02-19-10
                          • 972

                          #13
                          eff that guy... he can't go back to chicago... he had to move to arizona and hide... alou would have made that catch!!!!
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                          • gryfyn1
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-30-10
                            • 3285

                            #14
                            but that doesn't excuse Prior for melting down after that play,
                            or Baker to leave him in a watch him implode,
                            or the defense for booting away the chance to end the inning,
                            or Baker for leaving his best reliever and closer Borowski on the bench during the most crucial at bat during his entire season,
                            or Kyle Farnsworth for laying a great big giant turd on the mound
                            or Wood and and Farnsworth for gagging away game seven at home.
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                            • Prey
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 02-10-10
                              • 457

                              #15
                              Way to go Cubbies, real classy blaming a fan as the reason why you guys suck shit
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                              • iQon
                                SBR MVP
                                • 04-08-10
                                • 1483

                                #16
                                Originally posted by FLO31
                                eff that guy... he can't go back to chicago... he had to move to arizona and hide... alou would have made that catch!!!!
                                Bartman still lives and works in the Chicago area. If he "moved", it was temporarily for witness protection.
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                                • Jaug
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-11-09
                                  • 3087

                                  #17
                                  Cubs U83.5 reg season wins was cash
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                                  • MadTiger
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 04-19-09
                                    • 2724

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by iQon
                                    Bartman still lives and works in the Chicago area. If he "moved", it was temporarily for witness protection.
                                    He and his family were offered an all-expenses-paid vacation/asylum for a bit after the incident.
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                                    • Andy117
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 02-07-10
                                      • 9511

                                      #19
                                      He didn't do anything different than most fans in the area were trying to do.
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