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  • jorge1
    SBR MVP
    • 02-06-10
    • 3520

    #36
    I feel like perhaps you are a rookie, or a "freshman" betting baseball, and as a sophomore, or junior myself, (in baseball 2 years now - not anything compared to others on here, but somethin') I will voice my opinion and give you my advice on things ive noticed all this time.

    Baseball is NOT like football, or soccer, or even tennis, where the MONSTERS or JUGERNAUTS are nearly untouchable, and there are several reasons why - The pitcher is the key to almost every baseball game played.

    For the sake of argument, who on here actually played baseball in their life? I played highschool in venezuela and then some college in Texas. When you face a tough pitcher the whole game changes..when your pitcher is weak, you are almost sure you are going to loose a game...

    Also, the pitcher can be seen almost as the quarterback of a team. So imagine one game you have tony romo, the next you dont, the following you have some other guy, and so on and so forth...So a team is totally different with each pitcher, and also FACING DIFFERENT PITCHERS.

    That being said, baseball is all about value, streaks, and pitching. Newbies or squares LOVE slugging...Love high numbers, love homeruns, etc...but in reality its the pitching that makes a team untouchable.

    So, why are the yankees believed to be UNTOUCHABLE? public perception...but, they are great to take a RL if under the right circumstances, like facing a weak pitcher and sending a good solid pitcher to the mound in the same game...

    But while you are out wagering on the Yanks, there are probably 3 to 5 other games the same night who have a better pitcher, better circumstances, and above all BETTER PRICE...what is the moral of the story? its about pitching, and value.

    How to bet? there are a million different strategies, but whichever you chose, in Baseball its all about money management. WHy? Too many games DAILY! Its not like you have ONE BIG SATURDAY like in football where you study your plays all week etc etc...So, since its a DAILY GRIND, you gotta manage the LOOT!

    different strategies:
    look for good dogs...There is a good columnist for USA TODAY who has the TOP PITCHERS listed daily...if you look for the daily dogs and find one or two who 1. is not facing one of the top 20-30 pitchers in the league, 2. is sending one of the top 20-30 pitchers in the league up to the mound,then the dog is worth a good look.

    look for value in each of the plays you zero in on (as mentioned above by SOXWIN).

    NO LIVE BETTING!

    NO laying chalk, like i have my personal rule, NO -150 or worse EVER!!!!!!!!! I dont remember last time i took a -140 or worse line honestly. Everytime i am SO SURE of a team i just play the -1 line or the RUN LINE.

    Try to stay away from -1.5 RUN LINES. many ppl ply them but you will be BLOWN away at how many games end with a one run differential...you were warned, you WILL GET BITTEN...

    some ppl love totals, some swear by them, some swear at them!!! I cant say pros or cons for TOTALS..they can be tricky so make sure if you do pick a total you can prove it to yourself BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT why your total is a good play...BTW, the totals mostly lie on the pitcher and on the hot/cold bats. most ppl say DUH!!! but just in case..make sure you dont only look at recent runs for the teams, ook at the recent runs surrendered by the pitchers, and BY THE BULLPENS.

    Mentioning bullpens - some never even look at it, and ive been learning to do so..look at how much rest each bullpen has coming into the game, and how good the teams bullpens are respectively. You were bitten,i believe, by the CLEVELAND BULLPEN...notorious of giving up games and a ton of runs late...also the FLA, and the SEA bullpen and CRUD (IN MY OPINION).

    Look for streaks...dont be a hero a pick a dog that is on a 4 or 5 game losing streak, mostly stay away for negative streaks, or FADE TEAMS on bad streaks...i made a killing fading the cubs and the marlins earlier this month...

    sorry for such a long write up, but hope we can continue to help you so you realize the potential in betting baseball instead of droppin it because of a bad run...remember, in baseball there are a billion streaks..and those of us who bet it ALSO go on streaks...good ones, and bad ones...
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    • pattymayo
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-19-09
      • 10221

      #37
      go where the + money is. when it looks too easy, go the other way
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      • Socrates
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 02-24-10
        • 923

        #38
        Originally posted by chanellygurl
        betting baseball is not like betting any other sport. baseball betting is one of the sports not really measured by wins and loses but more so how many net units you make. for example in football if you go 10-10 you may be only losing the juice, however in baseball 10-10 could mean you are up a ton or down a ton. it is very key in baseball to see the value of the team in its spot. meaning throwout what happened in yesterdays game because todays game is a whole new ballgame. some teams can only hit a certain type of pitcher, some teams rely on their defense. these are all the things you must look at everyday to pick and find your spot and make you wager based on the best value the books are giving you. betting the powerhouse are hard simply because one lose sets you back tons because of the vig. betting heavy dogs go the same way. you need to find the medium of these and slowly make bets were you will get the most bang for your buck. a lot of cappers on here are solid with this and if you follow them and try to under stand why they made a play it would open your eyes to more then what goes on. gl2u on the rest of the season.
        For the two months I tried, this was big. I tried looking for patterns, and it just didn't work out. Anyway, I've decided to just tail for now and stick to what I know.
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        • Socrates
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 02-24-10
          • 923

          #39
          Originally posted by jorge1
          I feel like perhaps you are a rookie, or a "freshman" betting baseball, and as a sophomore, or junior myself, (in baseball 2 years now - not anything compared to others on here, but somethin') I will voice my opinion and give you my advice on things ive noticed all this time.

          Baseball is NOT like football, or soccer, or even tennis, where the MONSTERS or JUGERNAUTS are nearly untouchable, and there are several reasons why - The pitcher is the key to almost every baseball game played.

          Nice write up. Yes, i'm definitely a rookie, not even a freshman, more like an 8th grader. lol

          Good point about the pitchers. I tried betting the dog or the Jugernauts based on who was home and who was pitching and if it fit the pattern (they won two, bound to lose the next kind of a thing). Figured a decent strategy.

          By the way, love your avi. Love her thickness. hahaa
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          • Inspirited
            SBR MVP
            • 06-26-10
            • 1789

            #40
            I've had a decent time so far looking for starting pitcher imbalances, while even ignoring offenses and bullpens, road and away teams. Occasionally, I'll back off a team or go with a team because I know a good team is just not likely to lose another game to a bad team in a particular series even if starting pitchers alone would lead otherwise.
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            • jorge1
              SBR MVP
              • 02-06-10
              • 3520

              #41
              SOCRATES...

              a great idea and my best advice to you is to perhaps chose someone to tail...At the beginning of June i began tailing PACO, and i would ONLY CHECK HIS posts and plays...this way i wasnt getting torn one way, then another way reading everyones posts and opinions...He was for me not only successfull, but also informative...

              so These months i got another insight on cappin and once we got on a roll i started to see more and more angles on these winners...its like once you start winning you start knowing what to look for to continue to win...

              if you chose or pick losers all the time, do something...go on tonights card, look for 3 winners, and FADE YOURSELF>..did that back in july one day and won all 3 games...

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              • andywend
                SBR MVP
                • 05-20-07
                • 4805

                #42
                NO LIVE BETTING!
                If you're good enough to consistently make money betting against well handicapped lines, why wouldn't you want to bet against lines that aren't anywhere near as well handicapped since they have to be made "on the fly".

                As long as you have good self control (which the vast majority of winning gamblers possess), live betting is FAR MORE LUCRATIVE than regular pre-game betting.
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                • Scully
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-21-06
                  • 1276

                  #43
                  Originally posted by Socrates
                  Put my picks in a thread somewhere, can't remember which, but I had Man City first half Pk and Mancity Pk to win the game. So far City is winning 3 to 0. Great soccer day for me today.

                  I'll put up a thread, see how it goes though.



                  Toney doesn't have the stamina anymore. It's one thing to train constantly as an old guy, like Couture, and it's another to come back from the dead and then start training, ala Toney.

                  Couture wins by decision via a boring fight.
                  You mean he wins a 3-rd decision?
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                  • jorge1
                    SBR MVP
                    • 02-06-10
                    • 3520

                    #44
                    Originally posted by andywend
                    If you're good enough to consistently make money betting against well handicapped lines, why wouldn't you want to bet against lines that aren't anywhere near as well handicapped since they have to be made "on the fly".

                    As long as you have good self control (which the vast majority of winning gamblers possess), live betting is FAR MORE LUCRATIVE than regular pre-game betting.
                    I partially agree...Let explain why i say PARTIALLY...to me live betting in MLB is good if you are watching a team(s) whom you usually follow and know about. WHen the live lines come out you must be quick to recognize value and recognize traps also. Live betting is for someone who is experienced and is very effective capping. It takes that 6th sense, not only of quick math to figure out a good deal, but also to sniff out a good winning line. Why all the search of a good live line? because if you consistantly lay lots of chalk live, you are bound to go broke..so You gotta look for plus or near plus money lines to make somethin out of it...and to get those you really gotta be on it..

                    Now, i did say i partially agree..the part i agree with is that YES, it can be very good to people who are good, but for someone who is struggling betting on bases, i think live betting can be bankroll death.

                    Also, to bet live lines efficiently, you need a good book with consistenly good lines. EXAMPLE - 5dimes is my main MLB book. they have great lines in my opinion, but live lines are only on a game or two per night...some nights arent even up...so its tough to follow a team and know their rythm, late inning slugging,bullpen, etc. and then not be able to bet on their game...

                    To credit your post, though, you did mention self control, and of course, with control LIVE BETTING can be good...and no offense to socrates, but i mentioned "no live betting" because if he couldnt see the danger in a live -300 line, then its best if he just sits out the live betting and learns about value in a pre game scenario...with time, a calculator, etc. lol...

                    bol and great discussion, hope you take my comments positively
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                    • CappinTerp
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-26-09
                      • 9650

                      #45
                      It takes a long time.! Try not to lay more than -150.
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                      • Dwell
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 03-09-10
                        • 141

                        #46
                        Take steroids.
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                        • Cheese1976
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 09-17-09
                          • 667

                          #47
                          Check out my thread - http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-h...ready-win.html
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                          • jorge1
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-06-10
                            • 3520

                            #48
                            Originally posted by Dwell
                            Take steroids.
                            YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! esteroides!!!
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                            • BigJ
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 11-14-09
                              • 369

                              #49
                              All good advice here. I'm with many........VegasGold has been solid. But you are right, "what do i do when he is not around?" He plays HOME teams with a "moderate" chase system. He doesn't double or triple his bets. He goes on weeks. He doesn't care if he loses today, because he will win tomorrow. Money management is key. Try to show a profit for a week and then you should be on your way. Stick with good home teams and if they lose the first game, take them again tomorrow. But DON"T double your bet. The goal is to show a profit in the long term season.
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                              • bigbank
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 12-19-09
                                • 464

                                #50
                                Don't ever take a moneyline over -140 or -150? There can be as much "value" to be had with some of the chalk as there is the dogs. Biggest fallacy in MLB handicapping is to ignore the chalk lines. I'm not talking laying -280 on the Yanks but to limit yourself before ever capping the games over a certain amount of chalk is leaving a lot of easy $$$ on the board.
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                                • jorge1
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-06-10
                                  • 3520

                                  #51
                                  No, i always look for lines better than -150...once it hits -150 or above i start looking at -1 lines and get much better value IN MY OPINION>..your opinion is definetely valid..just that i hate laying that much chalk..i rather take the PUSHIN -1 line...
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                                  • Goat Milk
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 03-24-10
                                    • 25850

                                    #52
                                    If you know so much about bases Jorge why do you tail Paco and all over his nuts 24/7
                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                    • golfrulz
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 02-02-10
                                      • 2425

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by J-Ro11
                                      DONT DONT DONT

                                      Posts plays after a win, changes past posts to make winners, false record, other known alias (many more) phillybadboy/lolmcwinsey

                                      Seriously.

                                      GL though. Everyone else is providing solid insight.

                                      Gonna look for you in the soccer threads
                                      hey ya gonna stiff me?
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                                      • jorge1
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-06-10
                                        • 3520

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                        If you know so much about bases Jorge why do you tail Paco and all over his nuts 24/7
                                        LOL...you are right...I tailed him all of July, and beginning of August..I was not having a good season and he was on fire, so of-course i started to tail...During this time i still tried my own picks as well...sometimes did well, sometimes didnt. Now in august really been trying to cap my own games and still get some opinions from some of the senior guys.

                                        I think i mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread how long ive been betting baseball, and somethin' about me just giving my opinion based on what ive learned TAILIN' and cappin some...

                                        thanks for the call out...its true, i do tail Paco..but i dont know about being on his nuts 24/7...I mention him most because out of most ppl on here ive had most communication with him and maybe sonnybaby...plus, i really like to be respectful and be courteous..its not about being on someones nuts,its about being nice...i give him credit because when i have tailed, ive ALWAYS made money...and what else can i ask for?

                                        Ill continue my ONE A DAY WRITE UPS and hopefully in seasons to come will become a better a better capper... BOL to ya!
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                                        • Cheese1976
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-17-09
                                          • 667

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by jorge1

                                          LOL...you are right...I tailed him all of July, and beginning of August..I was not having a good season and he was on fire, so of-course i started to tail...During this time i still tried my own picks as well...sometimes did well, sometimes didnt. Now in august really been trying to cap my own games and still get some opinions from some of the senior guys.

                                          I think i mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread how long ive been betting baseball, and somethin' about me just giving my opinion based on what ive learned TAILIN' and cappin some...

                                          thanks for the call out...its true, i do tail Paco..but i dont know about being on his nuts 24/7...I mention him most because out of most ppl on here ive had most communication with him and maybe sonnybaby...plus, i really like to be respectful and be courteous..its not about being on someones nuts,its about being nice...i give him credit because when i have tailed, ive ALWAYS made money...and what else can i ask for?

                                          Ill continue my ONE A DAY WRITE UPS and hopefully in seasons to come will become a better a better capper... BOL to ya!
                                          Well played, Jorge1 - haters all over this site
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                                          • Vesuvius
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-19-08
                                            • 3886

                                            #56
                                            Everyone has their own sport to bet. Some good cappers have a few sports, but no one can consistently win in all.
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                                            • jorge1
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 02-06-10
                                              • 3520

                                              #57
                                              Its all good, everyone is entitled to their opinion...Plus he was asking a valid question, so i had to clarify, i cant say i know everything about bases...My opinions are based not on being an amazing capper, but on being around, chatting to others, seeing the ups and downs...etc etc..

                                              But im not offended at all Goat Milk...not in the least bit. Hopefully we can discuss some plays in time to come.
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                                              • LordVodka
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 08-17-09
                                                • 5206

                                                #58
                                                Baseball is very easy. Parlays are the key for people like me. Tonight I have a parlay that pays +460 with the Cubs and Angels.
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                                                • Mike9999
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 08-07-10
                                                  • 116

                                                  #59
                                                  There is a lot of good advice in this thread. Thanks to everyone who contributed.
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                                                  • Socrates
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 02-24-10
                                                    • 923

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Scully
                                                    You mean he wins a 3-rd decision?
                                                    Because of Tonie's age and rustiness, he only has a punchers chance. He doesn't carry any weapons because Couture won't plan on boxing him much. He's worthless on the ground. In my opinion it's probably going to get dragged into a decision. I'm a cautious gambler, so I'm just laying some cash on Couture 'to win', just in case Tony gets arm barred.

                                                    Originally posted by Cheese1976
                                                    Will do man. I'm just going to tail I have to much money and energy invested in soccer and boxing+MMA.

                                                    By the way, I tailed Vegas Gold tonight, motherfuker get's down with his bets, 5 wins 2 losses.
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                                                    • mitote
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 03-29-10
                                                      • 588

                                                      #61
                                                      Baseball is very easy! All you need to do is bet a lot when you win and a little when you lose!
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                                                      • Socrates
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 02-24-10
                                                        • 923

                                                        #62
                                                        Ok, now i'm really done. I've lost a total of just over $700 hundred dollars total in Baseball since June. First I lost half of that on my own. Then I followed a capper here, VG and I still ended up losing big time this entire week. My last chance with baseball was this week and I followed all of his picks for the entire week, all of them, and I lost a few hundred. He was doing great just before this week, and will probably pick it up again next week, and maybe I'm just bad luck. lol.

                                                        It gets me more pissed because I went big and won with Liverpool, Randy Cotoure, Barca, Chelsea, Sevilla and a few others, all so that the profits could get pissed away on the other end with baseball. I'm cutting my losses right now since i'm only negative -63 dollars for the week and still have money in my books thanks to the other sports I play on.

                                                        Good luck guys, I couldn't get it done with this sport. It's just not for me. If I ever touch baseball again, I deserve to lose.
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                                                        • jorge1
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 02-06-10
                                                          • 3520

                                                          #63
                                                          Socrates, sorry to hear your bad beats...Bases might just not be for you...

                                                          if i were you (experimenting with a new sport in which im not too hot), I would simply play your strong sports, and perhaps just put like 10 bucks a play on bases until you get a winning formula...

                                                          i have definetely done good sometimes, then done bad...just gotta test the waters small...not big and then be upset after a losing week. I understand your frustriation, but also understand that perhaps it was just a bit of bad luck..afterall VG has been profitable almost every week this year...

                                                          BOL and hope to see you around just small..like 10 bucks a pop just to be around...if not, ill look for your posts in soccer and mma...i look forward to them since i know NOTHING about those sports..at least betting wise..

                                                          BOL pal

                                                          Jorge
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                                                          • goldengreek
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-25-07
                                                            • 8340

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by socrates
                                                            i make money on soccer, boxing and the ufc. I generally do very well with these sports. Got into baseball 2 months ago, a sport i know about pretty well, know the stars, the teams etc, generally about the same as the rest of the sports. But the difference is i lose at baseball.

                                                            Since i've picked it up, i've lost about $500 dollars, placing 25 to 50 dollar bets. Less money on each bet then the other sports because i figured i'de get my feet wet.

                                                            Well, i'm done. This is by far the most random sport out of the ones i normally gamble on. The yankees, rays, red sox, pads etc win then lose then win, then lose, win, lose lose. It's almost as if they have patterns. The yankees will beat the royals on game one then get their asses kicked 7 to 1 on game two.

                                                            In soccer, you know the giants (barcelona, madrid, chelsea) will kick some ass most of the time, with maybe one loss per 5 games.

                                                            In baseball it just seems like there are way more games, so sometimes the teams don't give a shit about losing 1 out of a series of 4 games, the problem is knowing which game they'll crap out on.
                                                            Anyway, i'm done.

                                                            follow streaks...take teams ( even when the suck ) when they are winning

                                                            bet against teams when they are losing ( especially the good ones ..look at st. Louis this week , philly last week , sd this week , angels this week ..etc.

                                                            Try to bet mostly dogs..never take a fav over -160
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                                                            • Miley Cyrus
                                                              SBR Hustler
                                                              • 06-21-10
                                                              • 72

                                                              #65
                                                              If the price looks too good to be true it usually is. I heart underdogs, especially on day games.
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