Braves Acquire Alex Gonzales For Yunel Escobar

lunchbawks · 07-14-10, 11:26 AM

MLSE Toronto has no idea what they're doing

whatsgood5 · 07-14-10, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by lunchbawks

MLSE Toronto has no idea what they're doing

Anything you can tell me about Gonzalez that the numbers don't show? Pretty much all I know about the fella besides his stats are that he's a whole lot older than Esco, and has a relatively affordable option for next year which is nice.

lunchbawks · 07-14-10, 11:36 AM

hes having a killer season

mtneer1212 · 07-14-10, 11:37 AM

I think this will jumpstart Escobar as well.

whatsgood5 · 07-14-10, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by lunchbawks

hes having a killer season

Good to know.

Originally posted by mtneer1212

I think this will jumpstart Escobar as well.

You would have to think so. I have a hard time believing his power's gone for good. The guy's gotta go deep at some point. Even when his offense is down like it is though, he's a huge asset at SS.

cappinthepigs · 07-14-10, 11:44 AM

This is a total fabrication. The trade didn't happen!! LOL

MexicanStallion · 07-14-10, 11:47 AM

I absolutely hate Gonzalez. What a disaster he was in Cincinnati.

Grind-It-Out · 07-14-10, 11:49 AM

Who gives a crap about going deep?

I understand if we got rid of him because of attitude problems, but I don't like the trade strictly based on numbers.

We're giving up a guy who has shown some very serious signs of talent in the past. Yes, he's having a horrific season, but those things happen. In return, we get a guy who is a career .248 hitter. He's hitting .259 this year and he's having a "killer" season? Are you shitting me?

All that said, I'm happy to have that Hanley Ramirez wannabe off the team.

clonecat · 07-14-10, 11:50 AM

Trade definitely seems to be more about Yunel's attitude more than anything. Unfamiliar with the Blue Jays minor leaguers involved in the trade.

TheCommish · 07-14-10, 11:51 AM

Poor Blue Jays. Unless Escobar gets back to form.

jetsjets1028 · 07-14-10, 11:55 AM

what great move by atl who i think is gunna make world series out of the national league

MexicanStallion · 07-14-10, 11:56 AM

Shame the Braves didn't keep Andrus a few years ago.

whatsgood5 · 07-14-10, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Grind-It-Out

Who gives a crap about going deep? I understand if we got rid of him because of attitude problems, but I don't like the trade strictly based on numbers. We're giving up a guy who has shown some very serious signs of talent in the past. Yes, he's having a horrific season, but those things happen. In return, we get a guy who is a career .248 hitter. He's hitting .259 this year and he's having a "killer" season? Are you shitting me? All that said, I'm happy to have that Hanley Ramirez wannabe off the team.

I kinda agree with this. Definitely has shown a whole lot of promise, but like you said, I'm pretty sure this has a whole lot to do with his attitude/effort, especially given that game against the Mets a week ago where he had the lackadaisical effort in the field, and the throw he floated to Troy Glaus which left Troy a bit shaken up. I'm pretty sure Bobby just got sick of having to talk to the guy. I bet Chipper won't mind not having to hear him whistle in the field all game too...

whatsgood5 · 07-14-10, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by MexicanStallion

Shame the Braves didn't keep Andrus a few years ago.

I wish

Shelton · 07-14-10, 11:59 AM

world series i like this move

jetsjets1028 · 07-14-10, 12:00 PM

yup braves deff comig out of nl how ever dont know who it is in al

Grind-It-Out · 07-14-10, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by whatsgood5

I kinda agree with this. Definitely has shown a whole lot of promise, but like you said, I'm pretty sure this has a whole lot to do with his attitude/effort, especially given that game against the Mets a week ago where he had the lackadaisical effort in the field, and the throw he floated to Troy Glaus which left Troy a bit shaken up. I'm pretty sure Bobby just got sick of having to talk to the guy. I bet Chipper won't mind not having to hear him whistle in the field all game too...

Bobby deserves to be happy for his last half season of baseball!

jetsjets1028 · 07-14-10, 12:04 PM

i would love see sox vs braves but i dont feel good bout my sox braves are clearly favorites but might need 1 more starter

MarlinsFan2212 · 07-14-10, 12:07 PM

Good trade for Braves IMO.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:09 PM

For his career Yunel is a .291 hitter, posted 14 hr and 76 rbi with a .299 last season for the dreadful Bravos and now gets to go to the potent Toronto offense??! The only reason Gonzalez had the numbers he posted thusfar. Yunel is 27 years old vs Alex's 33+. Gonzalez played a TOTAL of 112 games over the last two seasons, is a lifetime .248 hitter, and has reached his third highest single season HR total already by the all-star break this season. Gonzalez has the numbers this season thanks in total to those in the lineup around him.
This is an absolute joke of a deal. The only thing I can say is thanks to the braves for getting this future super star out of my division and for boosting his 2010 campaign as he is my starting Fantasy SS in a couple of places. 8 hr and 41 rbi over his previous two, injury-ridden seasons, but the braves jump on a hot first-halfer for their future star, 27 year old SS??
This cant be real, can it? I haven't seen the details, just saw it here... but it seems like something a ML team wouldn't do.
Stupid Braves fan. Learn about baseball.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:09 PM

but I know absolutely nothing about his attitude, his clubhouse presence, etc.
Alex Gonzalez sucks ass, though. Dont expect anything from him. He isn't even that great of a fielder.

Grind-It-Out · 07-14-10, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by rthoughton

For his career Yunel is a .291 hitter, posted 14 hr and 76 rbi with a .299 last season for the dreadful Bravos and now gets to go to the potent Toronto offense??! The only reason Gonzalez had the numbers he posted thusfar. Yunel is 27 years old vs Alex's 33+. Gonzalez played a TOTAL of 112 games over the last two seasons, is a lifetime .248 hitter, and has reached his third highest single season HR total already by the all-star break this season. Gonzalez has the numbers this season thanks in total to those in the lineup around him.
This is an absolute joke of a deal. The only thing I can say is thanks to the braves for getting this future super star out of my division and for boosting his 2010 campaign as he is my starting Fantasy SS in a couple of places. 8 hr and 41 rbi over his previous two, injury-ridden seasons, but the braves jump on a hot first-halfer for their future star, 27 year old SS??
This cant be real, can it? I haven't seen the details, just saw it here... but it seems like something a ML team wouldn't do.
Stupid Braves fan. Learn about baseball.

Couldn't agree more.

whatsgood5 · 07-14-10, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by rthoughton

For his career Yunel is a .291 hitter, posted 14 hr and 76 rbi with a .299 last season for the dreadful Bravos and now gets to go to the potent Toronto offense??! The only reason Gonzalez had the numbers he posted thusfar. Yunel is 27 years old vs Alex's 33+. Gonzalez played a TOTAL of 112 games over the last two seasons, is a lifetime .248 hitter, and has reached his third highest single season HR total already by the all-star break this season. Gonzalez has the numbers this season thanks in total to those in the lineup around him. This is an absolute joke of a deal. The only thing I can say is thanks to the braves for getting this future super star out of my division and for boosting his 2010 campaign as he is my starting Fantasy SS in a couple of places. 8 hr and 41 rbi over his previous two, injury-ridden seasons, but the braves jump on a hot first-halfer for their future star, 27 year old SS?? This cant be real, can it? I haven't seen the details, just saw it here... but it seems like something a ML team wouldn't do. Stupid Braves fan. Learn about baseball.

Decent points for a Phillies fan, but like you said, you don't know anything about the non-statistical stuff, which I would assume has a whole lot to do with this trade being made.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:14 PM

braves have no shot at the NL east.

Originally posted by Shelton

world series i like this move

Phils will win the NL East by 5 games.
The last time the Phils were 6+ games out (they are 4 now) was in September of 07. They won the division then.
They are a second half team. They have had the same record at the midway point each of the last three seasons. and we know how the last two went. Don't expect anything different this time.
Utley, Rollins x 2, Lidge, Madson, Happ, Polanco, Durbin, Ruiz have been on the DL this season. Second only to the Sawks.
Keep dreaming, Atls.

Grind-It-Out · 07-14-10, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by rthoughton

Phils will win the NL East by 5 games.
The last time the Phils were 6+ games out (they are 4 now) was in September of 07. They won the division then.

The Braves are not the Mets.

Bobby Cox is not Willie Randolph.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:20 PM

but the braves still are getting production from Troy Glaus. And Billy Wagner.
Dont get your hopes up is all. You will be greatly disappointed when you miss the playoffs altogether.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:21 PM

none of the teams leading their divisions will make the playoffs. Not one.

Grind-It-Out · 07-14-10, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by rthoughton

but the braves still are getting production from Troy Glaus. And Billy Wagner.
Dont get your hopes up is all. You will be greatly disappointed when you miss the playoffs altogether.

Right, because Brad Lidge is so much better than Wagner.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:36 PM

not sure why you said that. im just saying these guys are outperforming themselves is all.
There is no power in Atlanta, and the pitching is too young. They will fold. trust me.

jhause13 · 07-14-10, 12:44 PM

You're obviously biased towards the Phillies. I think Atlanta has good enough pitching to overcome their lack of power. Although power doesn't usually win championships, so its not that big of a deal.

MexicanStallion · 07-14-10, 12:51 PM

I don't think the Phillies have much with pitching after Halladay and Hamels. I mean Blanton is a joke and Moyer? Kendrick eh? They need pitching help if they want to win the division. They aren't going to win with that rotation.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:54 PM

they won the last two NL pennants. Happ is coming back once his arm strength is back. They will be just fine. Their pitching is better now than it was when the won the WS.

rthoughton · 07-14-10, 12:55 PM

Phils will win the NL EAst, the Cards will win the NL Central and The Rockies/Dodgers will win the NL west. And whichever of those finishes second, will win the Wild Card. No division leader will win their division or make the playoffs this year.
Bet on that.

gshock1 · 07-14-10, 01:02 PM

Big move for the Braves...