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  • LT Profits
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #1
    Knowing your umpires leads to profits
    MLB Betting: Knowing your umpires leads to profits
    Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:32 AM ET
    By: LT Profits Sports Group

    Umpires are virtually ignored when setting the betting lines in baseball, so knowing the tendencies of the umps can give you an added edge in attempting to win betting baseball long term. Get to know which umpires have tight strike zones, as games when they work the plate tend to go ‘over’. Conversely, wider strike zones usually means fewer runs and more ‘unders’, and there are also umps that are ‘homers.’

    Being a long term winner in baseball is never easy, and any edge you can get should be taken full advantage of. One often overlooked factor when handicapping ball games is the home plate umpire.

    Most casual fans only pay attention to umpires when they make news, and it is usually in a negative way such as when Jim Joyce cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game this season. However, a lot can be gained by getting to know the tendencies of home plate umpires, as many umps do influence outcomes and they are in all likelihood not accounted for when setting the betting odds, therein giving the umpire experts an added edge.

    Now aside from their influence on totals due to the size of their strike zones, quite a few umpires have a high percentage of the home team winning when they work the plate. Now we are in no way insinuating that these games are fixed in any manner, but let us just say that some umpires like to keep the home folks happy. Ladies and gentlemen, let us introduce you to Todd Tichenor!

    Who, you may ask? Well, the answer lies in the year-to-date umpire records below for games through June 22, 2010.

    Top Homer Umpires (through June 22, 2010)
    Code:
    Rank 	Umpire      	Home W 	Home L 	Home%
     1 	Todd Tichenor 	    15 	     0 	100.0%
     2 	Tim McClelland	    14 	     2 	 87.5%
     3 	Bill Miller 	    13 	     3 	 81.3%
     4 	Ted Barrett 	    11 	     3 	 78.6%
     5 	Jerry Layne 	    10 	     3 	 76.9%
     6 	Greg Gibson 	    12 	     4 	 75.0%
     7 	Joe West 	    12 	     4 	 75.0%
     8 	Mark Wegner 	    10 	     4 	 71.4%

    No, that is not a typo. Tichenor has worked behind home plate 15 times this season, and the home team has won every single time. Tim McClelland has been another gold mine for home teams with his 14-2 mark and the rest of the list above rounds out the eight Major League umpires that have worked home plate at least 10 times and have seen the home team win over 70 percent of the time.

    On the other hand, there are only two umpires that have worked at least 10 games at home and that have seen the road team win more than 70 percent, with Ed Rapuano being the more notorious of the two.

    Roadie Umpires (through June 22, 2010)
    Code:
    Rank 	Umpire      	Home W 	Home L 	Road%
     1 	Ed Rapuano 	     3 	    11 	 78.6%
     2 	Jerry Crawford 	     3 	     8 	 72.7%
    We now shift out focus to totals, where an extra tight or ultra liberal strike zone can have a direct impact on posted totals. Umpires with very tight strike zones obviously favor the ‘over’, as these umps either call a lot of walks or force the pitchers to groove pitches, with both of these occurrences meaning more offense.

    Angel Hernandez and Tim Welke have both been ‘over’ bettors’ dreams this year, as games with either of these two working the plate have averaged double-digits in runs scored. Here are the top five ‘over’ umpires thus far.

    Top ‘Over” Umpires (through June 22, 2010)
    Code:
    Rank 	Umpire      	Over 	Under 	Over% 	RPG
     1 	Angel Hernandez  11 	  3 	 76.6% 	 10.3
     2 	Tim Welke 	 10 	  3 	 76.9% 	 11.1
     3 	Mark Wegner 	  9 	  4 	 69.2% 	  9.1
     4 	Angel Campos 	  9 	  4 	 69.2% 	  9.8
     5 	Larry Vanover 	  8 	  4 	 66.7% 	 10.4
    On the other hand, umps which are more liberal with the zone and give pitchers pitches that may be just off the corners are great ‘under’ bets, as it forces batters to expand the zone and swing at pitches they would not normally swing at. Bettors that like to bet ‘unders’ must love Jim Wolf, as games that he works at home plate are averaging just 6.3 runs combined.

    There are currently six umpires that have worked the plate at least 10 times and have seen their games average less than eight runs combined.

    Top ‘Under” Umpires (through June 22, 2010)
    Code:
    Rank 	Umpire      	Over 	Under 	Under% 	RPG
     1 	Bob [url="www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/davidson/"]Davidson[/url] 	  3 	 11 	 78.6% 	  7.7
     2 	Jim Wolf 	  3 	 11 	 78.6% 	  6.3
     3 	Mike Estabrook 	  4 	 10 	 71.4% 	  6.9
     4 	Dan Iassogna 	  4 	 10 	 71.4% 	  7.6
     5 	Greg Gibson 	  4 	  9 	 69.2% 	  7.6
     6 	James Hoye 	  4 	  8 	 66.7% 	  7.6

    Finally, in the event that you do not know who the home plate umpire will be, remember that the umps rotate clockwise during a series, meaning that whoever the first base umpire was the previous game will work behind the plate the next game of the same series.
  • sharper2
    SBR MVP
    • 03-30-10
    • 2724

    #2
    Where is Tichenor umpiring today?
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    • adlai
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 03-11-10
      • 778

      #3
      i don't know. there are so many umpires, this just looks like coincidence honestly.
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      • PDW
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 01-14-10
        • 660

        #4
        That is some good info.
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        • 2daBank
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-26-09
          • 88966

          #5
          always make sure i check the ump before i bet a side or total..
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          • TWEETS
            SBR MVP
            • 10-22-08
            • 2114

            #6
            Where are you getting these stats from LT? Do you keep track of this yourself?
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            • Chi_archie
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-22-08
              • 63167

              #7
              on a big totals play I check with the ump stats on covers.com

              but I need to pay more attention to them on regular plays as well
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              • LT Profits
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 10-27-06
                • 90963

                #8
                Originally posted by sharper2
                Where is Tichenor umpiring today?
                He is not working home plate today.
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                • LT Profits
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-27-06
                  • 90963

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TWEETS
                  Where are you getting these stats from LT? Do you keep track of this yourself?
                  Several sites including covers and statfox
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                  • JMUplayer
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-27-09
                    • 2765

                    #10
                    You don't think vegas factors that in when working on over/unders?
                    I personally look at a pitcher and his control factor vs. a tight/loose home plate ump's strikezone.
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                    • Willie Bee
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JMUplayer
                      You don't think vegas factors that in when working on over/unders?
                      Sure, but just because Vegas already factors it in doesn't mean a capper should not also factor it into their analysis.
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                      • ouman101
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-02-09
                        • 2815

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JMUplayer
                        You don't think vegas factors that in when working on over/unders? I personally look at a pitcher and his control factor vs. a tight/loose home plate ump's strikezone.
                        Well if they were figuring that in, then the numbers would be closer to even. So I take it isn't something that they consider
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                        • SparJMU
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-18-10
                          • 1648

                          #13
                          Let me ask you a question. Do you think the MLB looks at similar statistics when grading umpires? What I am getting at, is if this one umpire is 15-0 for home teams, wouldn't the league notice that and investigate the bias?
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                          • Bob Loblaw
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-07-10
                            • 3508

                            #14
                            Today's Umps:

                            Houston: Dan Iassogna
                            Philadelphia: Sam Holbrook
                            Chicago: Mike Everitt
                            Tampa Bay: Fieldin Culbreth
                            Milwaukee: Bruce Dreckman
                            Seattle: Chad Fairchild
                            Baltimore: Kerwin Danley
                            Toronto: Tony Randazzo
                            New York: Alfonso Marquez
                            Texas: Joe West
                            Los Angeles: Tim Welke
                            Colorado: Lance Barksdale
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                            • ouman101
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-02-09
                              • 2815

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SparJMU
                              Let me ask you a question. Do you think the MLB looks at similar statistics when grading umpires? What I am getting at, is if this one umpire is 15-0 for home teams, wouldn't the league notice that and investigate the bias?
                              I agree, 15-0 seems like a bit more than coincidence. I'm not sure how the MLB rates its umpires
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                              • Grits n' Gravy
                                Restricted User
                                • 06-10-10
                                • 13024

                                #16
                                Thanks for the info. Will start using it today as part of capping.
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                                • Terrapin Station
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-05-10
                                  • 2583

                                  #17
                                  Good info
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                                  • Snowball
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 11-15-09
                                    • 30054

                                    #18
                                    the day i have to factor umps in baseball
                                    is the day i no longer watch/bet.
                                    refs ruined the nba
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                                    • keyboarding
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 07-30-09
                                      • 6817

                                      #19
                                      You're trying to Tim Donaghy in baseball? Interesting.
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                                      • Rixsaw
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-23-08
                                        • 4532

                                        #20
                                        I hope someone will keep this thread up and track how it worked out in term of $$$ not games W/L. I'm skeptical because base on LT's signature, this info obviously hasn't been helping him. Although I'm confident that LT will come out ahead at the end of the season.
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                                        • stingyrivers
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-15-08
                                          • 1240

                                          #21
                                          probably the most valuable, substance laden thread I have ever seen on here... probably the most overlooked angle in betting baseball, and likely the most successful angle...

                                          considering home teams win the majority of time regardless of umps, I dont put too much stock in bias or trend of the home records, however, 15 -0 is peculiar....

                                          on the flip side, what seems to be extremely peculiar is the road team wins record... that seems to have more gravity as road teams win less often than home teams, so an ump with a 3 - 11 record in favor of the road teams seems like a stronger bias

                                          but my general uninformed opinion is umps directly impact over unders more so than whether the home or away team wins, so those numbers seem to have enormous value...

                                          one way to dismiss the argument of coincidence is to back test this for the past few seasons so you have the results for a large sample of work for each ump... has this been done by anyone? I know it is possible, I think I saw some results on here backtested last pre season on here....

                                          btw... looking at this thread and the current card...

                                          angels/dodgers over seems very strong

                                          home plate ump has the highest run p/gm 11.1 and one of the starters has an era over 8.00
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                                          • saints7011
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 09-21-09
                                            • 5544

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Bob Loblaw
                                            Today's Umps:

                                            Houston: Dan Iassogna
                                            Philadelphia: Sam Holbrook
                                            Chicago: Mike Everitt
                                            Tampa Bay: Fieldin Culbreth
                                            Milwaukee: Bruce Dreckman
                                            Seattle: Chad Fairchild
                                            Baltimore: Kerwin Danley
                                            Toronto: Tony Randazzo
                                            New York: Alfonso Marquez
                                            Texas: Joe West
                                            Los Angeles: Tim Welke
                                            Colorado: Lance Barksdale
                                            is there a site that has this info in advance ?
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                                            • Bob Loblaw
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-07-10
                                              • 3508

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by saints7011
                                              is there a site that has this info in advance ?
                                              I've been following umps for a few years and still have to go to each individual box score from the previous day to find who's umping.
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                                              • Chi_archie
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-22-08
                                                • 63167

                                                #24
                                                no need to read the previous day matchups....


                                                got to covers.com go to matchups for each game and click on umps....


                                                here is the cubs game info for example


                                                covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/matchups/g4_umpireopposition_9.html
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                                                • Bob Loblaw
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-07-10
                                                  • 3508

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                                  no need to read the previous day matchups....


                                                  got to covers.com go to matchups for each game and click on umps....


                                                  here is the cubs game info for example


                                                  covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/matchups/g4_umpireopposition_9.html
                                                  Not only does going to each individual matchup on covers take longer than going to each individual boxscore on yahoo, but covers is wrong a lot. If you're serious about umps covers is the last place I would trust to have the correct ump listed behind the plate.
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                                                  • greenshark11
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 01-17-10
                                                    • 484

                                                    #26
                                                    the umpire behind the plate can be a huge factor for a pitcher thats for sure.
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                                                    • soxwin
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-05-10
                                                      • 1885

                                                      #27
                                                      the umps rotate clockwise. The umps for the 1st game of a series aren't released till about an hour before the game. After that you can easily see who will be the home plate ump.

                                                      2nd game the series will have the game 1 1st base ump as the home plate ump.
                                                      3rd game the series will have the game 1 2nd base ump as the home plate ump.
                                                      4th game the series will have the game 1 3rd base ump as the home plate ump.
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                                                      • stingyrivers
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-15-08
                                                        • 1240

                                                        #28
                                                        by the way... since this thread got posted... the total in the angels/dodgers game at the greek went from 9 1/2 to 10 (-115)... so either a lot of sharp players are in tune with the umps factor, or a lot of people here moved on the info
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                                                        • Team Ramrod
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 04-10-09
                                                          • 949

                                                          #29
                                                          dont think it was the movement on here
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                                                          • stingyrivers
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-15-08
                                                            • 1240

                                                            #30
                                                            I guess that game in LA is a nice little test case for this info... especially conisidering the line movement, a lot of money poured in all day on the over
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                                                            • Sawyer
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 06-01-09
                                                              • 7761

                                                              #31
                                                              Of course, Umpires have a role (specially on totals since every umpire has a different strike zone) in baseball betting but it's not a dramatical role. Other factors are more important. Your pick should not be based solely on umpire.
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                                                              • Flight
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 01-28-09
                                                                • 1979

                                                                #32
                                                                LAA Over tonight!
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                                                                • LT Profits
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-27-06
                                                                  • 90963

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by stingyrivers
                                                                  by the way... since this thread got posted... the total in the angels/dodgers game at the greek went from 9 1/2 to 10 (-115)... so either a lot of sharp players are in tune with the umps factor, or a lot of people here moved on the info
                                                                  Texas jumped up 35 cents too. (Joe West)
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                                                                  • LT Profits
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                                    • 90963

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                                    Of course, Umpires have a role (specially on totals since every umpire has a different strike zone) in baseball betting but it's not a dramatical role. Other factors are more important. Your pick should not be based solely on umpire.
                                                                    I agree, it is a nice tool to confirm or back up a play, as opposed to being the sole basis of making a play.
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                                                                    • Wilforth
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 05-10-08
                                                                      • 16309

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                      I agree, it is a nice tool to confirm or back up a play, as opposed to being the sole basis of making a play.
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