Better Starting Chi-Town Pitching staff

[Chi_archie]

Cubs or Sox......

for some reason the Chicago area is pumped about the Sox starting staff this year.....especially the media: print, radio, tv outlets.....

but I think it is all based on hype, (peavy), potential (danks, floyd) and the only tangible is Buehrle.......

If Wolff is anything close to what he did last year, and Lilly returns strong from this tiny injury..... look at for the cubs starting staff 1-4...

and give me a pick between Gorzo and Freddy...... I'm take tom gorzalanny any day.... guy is young, has had a solid MLB year and still has decent stuff..


but I think the Cubs kill them hands down in that department

[Brock Landers]

White Sox by a mile

[jgiun1]

you can have Tom Gorzalanny

[WatchingBaseball]

Even with the hype I like the Sox rotation a lot more then the Cubbies.

[Chi_archie]

you guys are crazy....

[mlb]

Sox, by a landslide.. maybe I'll be proven wrong this year as it gets going

[stealthyburrito]

i think its close, but id give the nod to the sox. i dont think peavy is hype, even if he's moving from a pitchers park to a bandbox.

[Chi_archie]

un-informed

not statistical loving no good baseball fans

[Willie Bee]

Cubs or Sox......

for some reason the Chicago area is pumped about the Sox starting staff this year.....especially the media: print, radio, tv outlets.....but I think the Cubs kill them hands down in that department

Spoken like a true-blue

Both staffs are fairly deep. Would rate Crazy Charlie Z and Buehrle about even at the top. Guess we'll know in a few months the real answer to the question, but I still believe that the ChiSox rotation will carry them higher in their division than the Cubs' will.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Zambrano is a headcase it's up to him. If he can return to lights-out form then it is the Cubs fairly easily. If he decides to walk in runs every game and have an ERA over 5 then it is the Sox by a mile. Assuming Big Z is average I will take the Cubs.

[Brock Landers]

White Sox by a Mile Archie

Look at Beuhrle today for example, Peavy, Floyd...all great or up and comers.

[beerman2619]

Uh after watching Zambrano today i would lean towards the Sox

[Bigmikesm]

White Sox by far. Only question for the sox staff is Freddy.

[Chi_archie]

by the end of the year the cubs will make the sox starting staff look like AAAA

[2daBank]

by the end of the year the cubs will make the sox starting staff look like AAAA

or they will be a laughing stock like usual

[Chi_archie]

1. Carlos Zambrano 3.77 ERA 3.84 Mark Buehrle
2. Ryan Dempster 3. 65 ERA 3.77 John Danks
3. Ted Lilly 3.10 ERA 3.45 Jake Peavy
4. Randy Wells 3.05 ERA 4.06 Gavin Floyd
5. Tom Gorzelanny 5.55 ERA 4.34 Freddy Garcia


explain to me again, why it is so obvious that the SOX staff is better?

[2daBank]

you really rather have Lilly than Peavy? sox are better because they arnt the scrubbies its very scientific formula i use to dissect the cubs which rarely fails

[EaglesPhan36]

Are you kidding? ChiSox all day. Zambrano as evidenced already is DONE. Dempster I still think is an over achiever. ChiSox 1-4 have one of the better rotations in the AL and I think Top 10 ERA in the majors when the season is done.

[Chi_archie]

Peavy will be lucky to stay under a 4.4 ERA in the AL not playing in Petco....AND playing half his games in a bandbox.....


y'all are so square..... you give me alot of confidence for this coming season

[2daBank]

Peavy will be lucky to stay under a 4.4 ERA in the AL not playing in Petco....AND playing half his games in a bandbox.....


y'all are so square..... you give me alot of confidence for this coming season

how many other years have you been confident in the scrubbies....honestly its more fun for me when they at least decent cause it just sad when we see all the depressed cubs fans come to town or when we invade chi town

[Chi_archie]

never been confident in them before..... I'm from Pittsburgh and a Pirate fan.... I know how to be truly pessimistic...... but I also know baseball......

i'm also willing to take future wagers on the best starting staff Era at the end of the year.....and i'll give a gift....

cubs -105
sox +105...... post up 100 pts if you REALLY feel the Sox starting staff is heads and shoulders above the cubbies

[2daBank]

never been confident in them before..... I'm from Pittsburgh and a Pirate fan.... I know how to be truly pessimistic...... but I also know baseball......

i'm also willing to take future wagers on the best starting staff Era at the end of the year.....and i'll give a gift....

cubs -105
sox +105...... post up 100 pts if you REALLY feel the Sox starting staff is heads and shoulders above the cubbies

era not really a fare judgment as era always higher in the AL but either way im not claiming sox are great although they got potential i just stating my disrespect for the cubs.......Pit did me good today

[Chi_archie]

Peavy "earned" his era and respect in the weak NL...... but now all the sudden he is a God......


everyone wants to talk about how much greater the Sox staff is here...... I guess it is the same in squaresville....... again I'll gladly take anyone up on a 1000 pt wager on this

[Brock Landers]

white sox shut out cleveland today, Zambrano gives up 8 runs in less than 2 innings..hmm

[Chi_archie]

white sox shut out cleveland today, Zambrano gives up 8 runs in less than 2 innings..hmm

Brock.... remember according to your advice a 1 game sample isn't big enough, neither is a 2 game sample....


talk to me after 3 games...


seriously anyone wanna bet 100-1000 pts on the sox staff over the cubs staff this year?

[Brock Landers]

Brock.... remember according to your advice a 1 game sample isn't big enough, neither is a 2 game sample.... talk to me after 3 games... seriously anyone wanna bet 100-1000 pts on the sox staff over the cubs staff this year?

sure, you are on for 500 points, how do we "quantify" who is better at the end though?

[Chi_archie]

up to you... we can just be "simple" and not super sabermetric and go with ERA or pick 2 more categories and go best 2 out of 3 for starting staff.... like ERA, WHIP, and opposition BA

[Brock Landers]

up to you... we can just be "simple" and not super sabermetric and go with ERA or pick 2 more categories and go best 2 out of 3 for starting staff.... like ERA, WHIP, and opposition BA

you are on

i'll take the white sox for 500 points. You pick the categories, sox win 9 out of 10 of em

[Chi_archie]

1. Carlos Zambrano 3.77 ERA 3.84 Mark Buehrle
2. Ryan Dempster 3. 65 ERA 3.77 John Danks
3. Ted Lilly 3.10 ERA 3.45 Jake Peavy
4. Randy Wells 3.05 ERA 4.06 Gavin Floyd
5. Tom Gorzelanny 5.55 ERA 4.34 Freddy Garcia


explain to me again, why it is so obvious that the SOX staff is better?

ok Brock.... I'll work on the best categories Manana.....

I think Gorzo and Freddy and all the other "spot/5th" starters and Injuries will be the key... Gorzo should have a very good year, Freddy should suck

[Brock Landers]

you're on Archie, make a vid pal

[Chi_archie]

Ok B-rockstar.... after consulting with a sabermetrics expert.... here is what I propose


best out of 5 categories.... all starters count...so if someone goes down with an injury the replacements count....

here are the five categories

OPS against
WHIP
Babip (batting average balls in play)
ERA
strikeouts per 9 innings


so last year's totals for the Cubs would look like this

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=chc&season=2009&seasonType=2&split=127&cat=ERA&order=false&type=std

gotta get Babip somewhere else...

let me know what you think..... tonight Dempster is gonna catch up by outpitching Peavy

[Brock Landers]

Archie, you are on 500 points

Make a video pal

[Chi_archie]

not even 10% of the way in....... but the Cubs are pulling out to an early lead here...

what ERA do you see Peavy ending up with this year Brock? o/u 4.25?

[Chi_archie]

Lilly should be back by this weekend.....

[Brock Landers]

Archie, they are both equally worthless...its a long year though, lets see what happens