Is 18th hole Sportsbook safe?

**touchback** · 05-28-13, 11:13 AM

Maybe....maybe not. I know agents with 2000 players at $10 to $15 a pop a week. That is a lot of cash flow. Do not assume you know everything...

**touchback** · 05-28-13, 11:18 AM

PS 300% bonus, frickn hell, what has this sh1t industry finally debased too...

**allabout the $$$** · 05-28-13, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by touchback

Maybe....maybe not. I know agents with 2000 players at $10 to $15 a pop a week. That is a lot of cash flow. Do not assume you know everything...

2000 players per agent? damn thats a long sheet

**djefferis** · 05-28-13, 11:34 AM

Reading at EOG..looks like they are being hosted by BetHorizon..the question is, if this is a Horizon enterprise..why not claim it-post a phone number on the site and give some hint of being legit.

Its clearly a PPH outfit with a website managed by someone else..but why not come out and claim it-US govt be damned, unless your name is buried by a past failed operation.

Seems like someone wants to stay hidden and is already making plans to fold up tents and dissapear into the night - just waiting until October when the max number of depositors can be swindled.

**djefferis** · 05-28-13, 11:37 AM

At least thats my take..they could prove legit...but im taking scam at this point in the game.

Too many red flags here to trust someone to pay me.

**johnpendred** · 05-28-13, 12:05 PM

hank got the same email
100% cash
100% free play on a french open furture or match
100% free play on an nfl week one game

i passed this time

**touchback** · 05-28-13, 12:15 PM

It is not a BetHorizon owned and operated skin.... it is an agent renting service from Horizon Perhead. Completely different animals and ones reputation has nothing to do with the others....

**Hankwins** · 05-28-13, 12:17 PM

that is odd marketing offering freeplay on something months away.

**allabout the $$$** · 05-28-13, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by touchback

It is not a BetHorizon owned and operated skin.... it is an agent renting service from Horizon Perhead. Completely different animals and ones reputation has nothing to do with the others....

i know how pph works just saying an agent with 2000 players is a huge sheet

**touchback** · 05-28-13, 12:41 PM

Yes... it is what we consider a super agent and 2000 is not even the biggest that I know of... there are some frickn whales out there.

**allabout the $$$** · 05-28-13, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Yes... it is what we consider a super agent and 2000 is not even the biggest that I know of... there are some frickn whales out there.

could only imagine the money he is bringing in. i know an agent with 15-20 guys bringing in 75-100k a year

**allabout the $$$** · 05-28-13, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Yes... it is what we consider a super agent and 2000 is not even the biggest that I know of... there are some frickn whales out there.

touch i take it that you are in cr?

**jensinc** · 05-28-13, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Hankwins

Just recieved an email for a 300% bonus, maybe they are trying to round up some cash to pay somone that bet 30K on a game.

I wouldn't bother...

I noticed that the guy who created the page is a friend of 6 of mine on FB, so he likely works for a PPH company, and the 18thhole is just an agent, and is trying to be a local, without being local... if he is in CR he could have gotten a list from a book (or forum, etc) he works for. He is trying to promote a company as being that big, but if he is an agent, he can set any limits he wants. Of course we doubt him being able to pay out that much . . . (we don't make much money here in the sportsbooks

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**touchback** · 05-28-13, 03:56 PM

Hey Jen... nice to see you. You always have good posts...

**touchback** · 05-28-13, 03:58 PM

Yup... long time now. At least I do not have to shovel any snow anymore or throw down salt.

**jensinc** · 05-28-13, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Hey Jen... nice to see you. You always have good posts...

thanks Touch

I love being the detective on things like this

Can't stand a faker, and don't want anyone here screwed.

**allabout the $$$** · 05-28-13, 04:27 PM

did you happen to know the old mw poster mr falcone?

**SBR Forum** · 05-28-13, 05:21 PM

Everything currently known make this a shop to avoid, especially the reports of 100% or greater bonuses.

We'll be happy to speak to the sportsbook manager(s) and evaluate the business if our contact is returned.

**lecubs28** · 05-29-13, 12:40 PM

looks like a decent shop, not your typical post up so no surprise that they have no dealings with sbr.

**BrianLaverty** · 05-29-13, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by lecubs28

looks like a decent shop, not your typical post up so no surprise that they have no dealings with sbr.

Lecubs, they are offering 300% bonuses and the manager said they have 10k limits on all sports.

Do you really think this is a good business model?

**touchback** · 05-30-13, 11:35 AM

It is basically a invitation only service running off of a perhead skin... we all know who the service provider is now so do not have to mention the name other than they have been around almost twenty years. This scenario has everything to do with who the agent/backer is and they could be taking this particular marketing route for half a dozens reasons I can think of off the top of my head. If the agent is big enough then your money is safe... and the big marketing bonuses could be a very short term opportunity to turn a quick buck. So, like I mentioned before if your going to try them then try them for a hundro or two and see how it goes...

**lecubs28** · 05-30-13, 01:28 PM

if these guys are really who they represent themselves as, i don't see why they would be trying to recruit customers that are coming in for a few hundred. seems like it just wouldn't be worth their time.

touchback can you comment on any relation between 18th hole and bet islands? what portion of your roll would you feel ok about having at 18th hole?

**touchback** · 05-30-13, 04:18 PM

Right now I would keep as much of my roll as possible at established ( 5 or more years, 10 even better) at A and B rated services. That other thing... working on it.

**lecubs28** · 05-30-13, 04:35 PM

well let us know what you find touchback. seems like it's getting harder and harder to get straight information these days.

**SBR Forum** · 05-30-13, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by lecubs28

well let us know what you find touchback. seems like it's getting harder and harder to get straight information these days.

They claim to have been taking post-up since 2009. The book uses DGS, operates in CR, would not disclose their backers, and as touchback alluded to has not been known as a post-up business in the past. We are hoping to learn more, it was alleged that the book has 150 employees but it sounds unlikely. Like the previous SBR response in this thread read, 100% bonuses are never a good sign from a shop you've never heard of. There is no reason to be the first guinea pig.

**stevex** · 05-30-13, 06:41 PM

I think the most important thing out of all of this is...

Are people that have posted up there and requested a payout, getting paid? If they are, I'm not talking $500 payouts, but decent amounts then that's a good sign.

**touchback** · 06-03-13, 06:12 PM

Troubled Waters...

Many recent issues are now hitting the internet forums about 18th. I called over and spoke with the PPH owner and he immediately said he will look into the issue with 18th and that all available options are at his disposable to deal with the possible situation... read into this heavily edited content what you want.

**sharpcircle** · 06-03-13, 06:14 PM

why don't you speak english instead of coster rican

**touchback** · 06-03-13, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by sharpcircle

why don't you speak english instead of coster rican

First... the word was DISPOSAL... second, this is far from Tico talk. Use your brain and or intelligence... maybe I am limited in what exactly I can and cannot say/post. The fact that I do anything to help anyone is more than I have too.

**allabout the $$$** · 06-03-13, 07:32 PM

touch what do you know about jungle wager?

**Hankwins** · 06-03-13, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by stevex

I think the most important thing out of all of this is...

Are people that have posted up there and requested a payout, getting paid? If they are, I'm not talking $500 payouts, but decent amounts then that's a good sign.

You have already stated their a great reason to be playing at 18th hole and you hope everyone finds that out.

**touchback** · 06-03-13, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

touch what do you know about jungle wager?

I know their service provider, they have been around a long time. Even knew some guys that worked over their. Do not have much to say about Jungle though... have not seen any slow pays or stiffage. It is Metallics replacement for their old post up service a few years ago.

**allabout the $$$** · 06-03-13, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by touchback

I know their service provider, they have been around a long time. Even knew some guys that worked over their. Do not have much to say about Jungle though... have not seen any slow pays or stiffage. It is Metallics replacement for their old post up service a few years ago.

**touchback** · 06-03-13, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Hankwins

You have already stated their a great reason to be playing at 18th hole and you hope everyone finds that out.

Hank... there might have been a little confused information at the very beginning about this place and in this business it can take a little time to sort out... even for me. SteveX probably has to sort through similar data to eventually get to the truth. Right now I know who they are, the owner/manager, the service provider they are using and how many players they got. So... lets all sit back and see what happens.

**Courtesywipe** · 06-04-13, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Hankwins

dude you signed up on 3-08-2013 to push 18thhole, NUFF SAID.

Good point hank!