[Slanina]

3pm: 49 entries

6th place was knocked out after 1 hour and 45 minutes for 0 points. To put this in perspective, 49th place was knocked out in 2 minutes for the same amount of 0 points. The next hour and 43 minutes, he took his dog for a walk, made a sandwich, watched a recorded episode of Brooklyn 99, browsed the forums and made 3 posts, went to Walgreen's for cough syrup and came home to take a nap. 6th place never left his computer chair.

[bobbywaves]

Apparently you know Fireindahole personally.

On a serious note, your point is well taken. I'm obviously not a big fan of the new format.

[horja1]

[Triple_D_Bet]

3pm: 49 entries

6th place was knocked out after 1 hour and 45 minutes for 0 points. To put this in perspective, 49th place was knocked out in 2 minutes for the same amount of 0 points. The next hour and 43 minutes, he took his dog for a walk, made a sandwich, watched a recorded episode of Brooklyn 99, browsed the forums and made 3 posts, went to Walgreen's for cough syrup and came home to take a nap. 6th place never left his computer chair.

1) This payout structure is comparable to every other poker tournament out there; you're not going to find a real-money 50 player tourney that pays 12, let alone SBR previously paying 12 with 20-40 players.

2) At WSOP, some guys lasted a little over two hours and took home as much as the guys who bubbled after 3 days...that's kind of how tournaments work, bubbling is as bad as last place.

Your suggested improvement?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Apparently you know Fireindahole personally.

On a serious note, your point is well taken. I'm obviously not a big fan of the new format.

Not a shocker; just like the actual poker tournaments it's modeled on, it's not on you're likely to do well in

Still offering odds on Donk to win your challenge?

[Slanina]

1) This payout structure is comparable to every other poker tournament out there; you're not going to find a real-money 50 player tourney that pays 12, let alone SBR previously paying 12 with 20-40 players.

2) At WSOP, some guys lasted a little over two hours and took home as much as the guys who bubbled after 3 days...that's kind of how tournaments work, bubbling is as bad as last place.

Your suggested improvement?

1) 5Dimes does a $500 freeroll. Top 70 pay. On average 450 people which is the equivalent of 8 places being paid. And 70th is I believe $1.38, which would translate into 29 points going by the value of Pizza cards. It's the only other place I play so I can only use that as an example.

2) That field is thousands and live play so of course bubble will last forever. I also play turbos and bubbles last 20 minutes. So it varies widely depending on structure.

Simply go back to old format or final table pays. Last promotion was $5,000 cash. This one is a 10,500 value. But last promotion gave 120,000 bet points. This one gives 22,500. Break down the difference and it's $4,580 in gift cards. So at the end of the day there is only a $800 difference in value comparing the two promotions but the daily tourney payouts were drastically cut.

[bobbywaves]

let alone SBR previously paying 12 with 20-40 players.

Your suggested improvement?

Tripe missing the point as usual: Structure went from 20 being paid, to 12, to now 5. There's something to be said for consistency. If the structure was always top 5 get paid, then we obviously wouldn't be having this conversation. Some players don't like change & with good reason.

With all that said, it's hard to complain about free tourney entries & $10,500 WSOP cash for one lucky winner. Tight aggressive players such as myself, Stefan, HHSilver, Slanina, & some others, will simply adjust our play accordingly to the new format.

[Slanina]

The seat is no doubt an awesome promotion. And I won't say another word about the payouts. Just needed to vent a little and a forum felt like the right place. With that being said, good luck to all.

[katstale]

Just wish we still had the morning session with my coffee. Much more difficult to try and alter a "life" around the 3 available slots. and yes, all at the final should get something. that's a lot of seat time. On the other hand, these might devolve to 20 people showing up willing to put in the seat time for 5 payouts and that wont be bad!! lolol

[Bigbill365]

damn there was 49 registered and this 7pm already has 38 more then anytime ive ever seen

[bobbywaves]

Still offering odds on Donk to win your challenge?

Sure, Donkey -5,000.....Post up for action

[bobbywaves]

damn there was 49 registered and this 7pm already has 38 more then anytime ive ever seen

Why does the 7pm tourney say full, with only 40 registered?

[Triple_D_Bet]

1) 5Dimes does a $500 freeroll. Top 70 pay. On average 450 people which is the equivalent of 8 places being paid. And 70th is I believe $1.38, which would translate into 29 points going by the value of Pizza cards. It's the only other place I play so I can only use that as an example.

2) That field is thousands and live play so of course bubble will last forever. I also play turbos and bubbles last 20 minutes. So it varies widely depending on structure.

Simply go back to old format or final table pays. Last promotion was $5,000 cash. This one is a 10,500 value. But last promotion gave 120,000 bet points. This one gives 22,500. Break down the difference and it's $4,580 in gift cards. So at the end of the day there is only a $800 difference in value comparing the two promotions but the daily tourney payouts were drastically cut.

For 1), even at 500 players, 70% of the money stays on the final table. At 50 players like SBR's new format, they're still only paying the final table, with most of money in the top 5...not as big a difference as you think. If you go out 6th after 1:45, winning 28 points for 6th still isn't worth the time difference between 6th and 50th. That's just the way poker tournaments (and many other tournaments) are set up: top couple places get the bulk of the prizes, instead of watering it down and handing out participation awards (as SBR has been doing last couple years).

For 2), time-to-cash will of course vary...but you won't see a turbo where the guy eliminated 20 minutes in is compensated for the time difference between him and the guy who busted 2 minutes in, just not how they're set up. I used the WSOP as an example because the format is (in theory) to choose who goes there, and this is an example of something you'll face if you win the top prize.

Nobody's denying the old format handed out a little more in prizes...the thing about freerolls is they have to make sense for the organization offering them. For a real-money poker site, it's a no-brainer; for SBR, probably nowhere near as big a return. From a marketing standpoint, handing out fewer bigger prizes is probably a better move (of course, it should have been executed better with regards to tourney format, longer advance announcement, etc. if that was the goal). Regardless of SBR's reasons for it, you can't really blame them for running a format where only the top 10% earn points...like I said, that's the typical distribution of poker tournaments and poker in general. Is it harsher on casual players than the previous show-up-and-you'll-get-some-points format? Sure...but the upside of a format like this is that it rewards skill to a greater extent (while unfortunately still putting a heavy emphasis on participation every day).

Another silver lining: it's less likely we'll see someone folding their way to the cash in the old -half-the-field-gets-paid format, then going to the WSOP and embarrassing SBR by trying to do the same thing...I'm sure we can all think of at least one player who would try to fold to the cash as WSOP (probably after waiting until 1 minute before registration closes to join the main event)

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Just wish we still had the morning session with my coffee. Much more difficult to try and alter a "life" around the 3 available slots. and yes, all at the final should get something. that's a lot of seat time. On the other hand, these might devolve to 20 people showing up willing to put in the seat time for 5 payouts and that wont be bad!! lolol

yes, I will miss that early time slot as well...

[Triple_D_Bet]

Tripe missing the point as usual: Structure went from 20 being paid, to 12, to now 5. There's something to be said for consistency. If the structure was always top 5 get paid, then we obviously wouldn't be having this conversation. Some players don't like change & with good reason.

With all that said, it's hard to complain about free tourney entries & $10,500 WSOP cash for one lucky winner. Tight aggressive players such as myself, Stefan, HHSilver, Slanina, & some others, will simply adjust our play accordingly to the new format.

"Consistency" would be offering a payout structure consistent with the rest of the poker world. It would be pretty foolish to award a WSOP ticket based on who can show up and fold every day, then expect them to do well in the main event

Thanks for sharing your complete lack of poker knowledge again. Slanina and some others certainly seem capable of adjusting, and even you might get lucky enough to have the deck run over you and cash; but with this actual poker format, your lack of actual poker skills is going to put you at a huge disadvantage.

Sure, Donkey -5,000.....Post up for action

So you're saying Donk's a 50-1 favorite? In light of that, it appears you're either too stupid to take his buyout offer or too stupid to figure out how odds work...my money's on all of the above though

Since I should be able to play most of these bobbo, care for a wager between you and me for this series? With all the garbage you've talked about me being a maniac, surely this is easy money for you...but watch you run away and duck yet another challenge

[thechaoz]

not seeing how this doesnt kill tbl games

[bobbywaves]

So you're saying Donk's a 50-1 favorite?

Correct, post up for action.

Since I should be able to play most of these bobbo, care for a wager between you and me for this series? With all the garbage you've talked about me being a maniac, surely this is easy money for you...but watch you run away and duck yet another challenge

This is the type of format that can easily reward your maniac style of play, instead of rewarding solid finishes like myself. I wouldn't be surprised to see horrible players such as yourself, POS, & Carseller finish top 3 in points. Your suckouts can easily be rewarded, allowing you a top 5 cash. My plethora of 6-12th place finishes will somehow be equivalent to your plethora of 44-50th place finishes in this new format, obviously not fair.

It's a little extra work recording our daily finishes instead of total pts, but I'll gladly wager to have a higher average daily finish than you.

[daneblazer]

not seeing how this doesnt kill tbl games

It will, but SBR Doug mentioned they may do something to pick it up (rake race?)

the day was coming sooner or later. A small group of ring game players were costing SBR a small fortune because they're heads & shoulders above the field in ring games & would clean out the tournament players trying to roll over. To top it off, these players aren't squares in the book nor do they dump it off in the casino.

The time slots make it impossible for me to play. Playing for 2 hours straight makes it a little tough too. But hey, no pain no gain. Want the prize you gotta work for it. SBR doesn't want some schlub getting folded out the first day there.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Correct, post up for action.



This is the type of format that can easily reward your maniac style of play, instead of rewarding solid finishes like myself. I wouldn't be surprised to see horrible players such as yourself, POS, & Carseller finish top 3 in points. Your suckouts can easily be rewarded, allowing you a top 5 cash. My plethora of 6-12th place finishes will somehow be equivalent to your plethora of 44-50th place finishes in this new format, obviously not fair.

It's a little extra work recording our daily finishes instead of total pts, but I'll gladly wager to have a higher average daily finish than you.

I think donk is a favorite, just not 50-1...I'm sure he'kll be interested to hear you admit defeat though. In light of that, seems like you're pretty stupid not to accept his buyout offer...can't say I'm shocked to see you saying one thing and doing another though

News flash bobbo: real poker doesn't hand out participation prizes for finishing in the top 50% of the field...your "solid" 12th place finishes were anything but; doesn't take much skill to fold to the top 50% of the field, just a deep desire to waste your time and a complete lack of desire to play poker.

Not surprising, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. No extra recording necessary...nobody cares how high you can fold when you don't cash. Again, welcome to poker as it's actually played outside a freeroll.

If you're not willing to accept for who can win the most points during this period, I guess you're just ducking me yet again and running away from another one of your claims. The year is young and you've already ducked away from 2 challenges from this "maniac" player?

[Triple_D_Bet]

It will, but SBR Doug mentioned they may do something to pick it up (rake race?)

the day was coming sooner or later. A small group of ring game players were costing SBR a small fortune because they're heads & shoulders above the field in ring games & would clean out the tournament players trying to roll over. To top it off, these players aren't squares in the book nor do they dump it off in the casino.

The time slots make it impossible for me to play. Playing for 2 hours straight makes it a little tough too. But hey, no pain no gain. Want the prize you gotta work for it. SBR doesn't want some schlub getting folded out the first day there.

Hardly surprising, but dane gets it. Will be interesting to see what's offered to keep ring games going, but given some of the oversights, it's hard to be optimistic

[bobbywaves]

I think donk is a favorite, just not 50-1...I'm sure he'kll be interested to hear you admit defeat though. In light of that, seems like you're pretty stupid not to accept his buyout offer...can't say I'm shocked to see you saying one thing and doing another though

News flash bobbo: real poker doesn't hand out participation prizes for finishing in the top 50% of the field...your "solid" 12th place finishes were anything but; doesn't take much skill to fold to the top 50% of the field, just a deep desire to waste your time and a complete lack of desire to play poker.

Not surprising, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. No extra recording necessary...nobody cares how high you can fold when you don't cash. Again, welcome to poker as it's actually played outside a freeroll.

If you're not willing to accept for who can win the most points during this period, I guess you're just ducking me yet again and running away from another one of your claims. The year is young and you've already ducked away from 2 challenges from this "maniac" player?

Or I'm just offering you the horrible odds you deserve. But since you think Donk is the favorite, I'm waiting for you to post up & accept my offer. But you'll duck again...Just like you ducked my 2015 challenge, since I smoked you by 2,100+ & profited 34k.

[Mr KLC]

3pm: 49 entries

6th place was knocked out after 1 hour and 45 minutes for 0 points. To put this in perspective, 49th place was knocked out in 2 minutes for the same amount of 0 points. The next hour and 43 minutes, he took his dog for a walk, made a sandwich, watched a recorded episode of Brooklyn 99, browsed the forums and made 3 posts, went to Walgreen's for cough syrup and came home to take a nap. 6th place never left his computer chair.

I guess it fits to say, "If you ain't first, you're last."

[Triple_D_Bet]

Or I'm just offering you the horrible odds you deserve. But since you think Donk is the favorite, I'm waiting for you to post up & accept my offer. But you'll duck again...Just like you ducked my 2015 challenge, since I smoked you by 2,100+ & profited 34k.

You've never made any sense when it came to odds bobbo...claiming to think you're the favorite yet offering the other guy as one, and being too dense to realize the two are mutually exclusive. Sorry, big words you wouldn't understand; lemme rephrase that: you think opposite things, must be dumb-dumb

You do realize that when people point out you're wrong, and you keep trying to bring up the one time you think you proved something, that it just makes you look even dumber right? Rhetorical question, we all know you're too dense to realize how dense you are

As suspected, you continue to duck me and others, despite no additional requirements on your part...there's a word for that bobbo: "scared"

[Fidel_CashFlow]

this new format is a huge let down
I only played in 15-20 tourneys last year anyways
but fukk this top 5 paid bullshit
Slanina is right in his first post. Just keep it how it was.
THen you add in that the 9am tourney is now gone.
Out of the 20 tourneys I played, every one of them were at 9 am
goodbye SBR poker

[bobbywaves]

You've never made any sense when it came to odds bobbo...claiming to think you're the favorite yet offering the other guy as one, and being too dense to realize the two are mutually exclusive. Sorry, big words you wouldn't understand; lemme rephrase that: you think opposite things, must be dumb-dumb

You do realize that when people point out you're wrong, and you keep trying to bring up the one time you think you proved something, that it just makes you look even dumber right? Rhetorical question, we all know you're too dense to realize how dense you are

As suspected, you continue to duck me and others, despite no additional requirements on your part...there's a word for that bobbo: "scared"

Getting my opponent to accept way off market odds to my benefit, classifies as vey intelligent.

You offering me 2-1 odds when I'm the favorite to win our challenge, classifies as very generous or very ignorant.

Beating you by 2,100+ & profiting 34k from our challenge, proved everything that I & most of the poker forum already knew: I was the favorite indeed & I'm a much better poker player than you.

[Koldazzice]

wow almost 2 hours for 50 poker points that then take time to roll over? ouch...

there was 50 in the 11pm eastern - the first suited hand I got I went all in 8-10 hearts (lost) was out in 5 minutes and didn't care about losing.

Unfortunately any alt / person can sign up because its free with no point fee. That is the biggest problem in my opinion. Unless I have some skin in the game why not just try and suck out a few double ups early and if I don't then who cares I spent 5 minutes and tried to get lucky.

[EmpireMaker]

wow almost 2 hours for 50 poker points that then take time to roll over? ouch...

there was 50 in the 11pm eastern - the first suited hand I got I went all in 8-10 hearts (lost) was out in 5 minutes and didn't care about losing.

Unfortunately any alt / person can sign up because its free with no point fee. That is the biggest problem in my opinion. Unless I have some skin in the game why not just try and suck out a few double ups early and if I don't then who cares I spent 5 minutes and tried to get lucky.

New format is so much worse !!!!

[ShogunRua]

I'm disappointed with the new format as well.

The dailies are hardly worth playing anymore given the increased number of players per tourney and only the top 5 being paid. Also, I imagine the new payout structure will have negative side effects on the ring games.

[onerous]

yes i think they should make a 9am or bring back the 10am or something for people that could only make the morning tourney... me being on night shift on one job and working my other job it was basically the only one i could consistently play.. good luck to all ill be in randomly maybe....

[JAKEPEAVY21]

new format blows like a $2 hooker..will SBR listen to all these complaints/thoughts from the poker community? Based on past history, probably not...

[Basement]

I hardly post but I had to chek forums after yesterdays tournaments since I didn't know what was going on. The new change really sucks big time.

[daneblazer]

Haven't seen posters this fired up since those players from Equatorial Guinea won the World Cup by playing in 4 tournaments in 3 months

[Fire in da hole]

Apparently you know Fireindahole personally.

On a serious note, your point is well taken. I'm obviously not a big fan of the new format.

Well when you are dealt QQ vs. KK first hand with a low flop this happens...

I'm sure you aren't a big fan of the new format as it goes against your pussy ass play style. I know... I know... look at the leadership board... Well, I wish it also had number of tournys played because i'm sure it would be 365 vs. maybe 50..

[Bigbill365]

I placed 6th 1 hour 30 minutes total time fukin bullshit and 5th place only gets 50 points and needs to rollovoer wat a penetrating joke!!!!

[Auto Donk]

Well when you are dealt QQ vs. KK first hand with a low flop this happens...

I'm sure you aren't a big fan of the new format as it goes against your pussy ass play style. I know... I know... look at the leadership board... Well, I wish it also had number of tournys played because i'm sure it would be 365 vs. maybe 50..

no, you have to drop weekends; as the pussy won't play those........ five times 52 is more accurate...... less the "off days" in between promos....... but you can rest assured the little scamming piece of 18th Hole Sportsbook fraudster played every damn weekday tourney available............