1. #1
    gregm
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    Retirement stats

    I was posting about the conditioning and stamina of Ferrer in tough matches and how you can always count on him to fight in a match . As great as it is to wager on a fighter, sometimes it can be horrible to wager on a player who you know will never retire but will stick it out to the bitter end, like petkovic said, "I would rather die than retire during a match", she has retired 3 times.

    Sometimes wagering on a player who just caves in rather than fight can save you some money if you make sure you have some books with full match or two set rules. I decided to look up some stats on retirement and see which players tend to fight it out and which ones retire. There is also a list of some books and their retirement rules.

    The first one that really stood out to me was a post from tennis warehouse about Tipsarevic. He has achieved something that may not ever be duplicated, he has achieved a career golden retirement grand slam. He has retired from the 2008 olympics, retired from the US Open in 3 different years, retired from the french in 2009, australian open in 2007, and wimbledon in 2011. Phenomenal.

    I actually like Tipsarevic alot but I remember people saying that the reason he performed so poor here against Gasquet was jet lag. Jet lag??? Everyone flies over here, that performance was just abysmal against Gasquet. I still like Tipsy though , he just needs to read more Nietzsche on will and not just get tattoos of his sayings, his retirement rate is pretty bad.

    I got some of these from an 2011 article http://www.thesportsjournalist.co.uk...s-withdrawals/ but I am going to try and do a more thorough collection of numbers when I get time.

    Matchstat, http://www.matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/552seems seems to have the easiest and quickest way to retrieve this data, you just put in the players name and it brings up an option to checkout players injuries and retirements and withdrawals. I havent looked at oncourt or tennis insight but I didnt see anything comparable at first glance.

    hese are just atp numbers and keep in mind the age of the players, though Zverev and Tipsarevic have done an amazing job of retiring from matches at a pretty young age, notching 21 retirements.

    Most retirements and withdrawals.

    Michael Llodra (27)
    Nicolas Kiefer (28)
    Filippo Volandri (26)
    Nikolay Davydenko (25)
    Zverev (25) another young player
    Marcos Daniel (23 ),
    Xavier Malisse 19 (this article said one of them was for a tantrum on court)
    Paul-Henri Mathieu (19)
    Victor Hanescu (18),
    Jose Acasuso (17)
    players on (16),
    includes Philipp Kohlschreiber, Richard Gasquet, Steve Darcis, Rob Kendrick and Rainer Schuettler.
    Juan Martin Del Potro (15 , in a very short career)
    Bogomolov, Istomin, Tursunov, Mayer, Stepanek, Roddick, Youzhny, Tsonga, Monfils,
    and Gonzalez (12- 15)

    The career golden slam of retirements- Tipsarevic

    Fewest retirements and withdrawals

    Federer 2 withdrawals and has never retired in a match.Never. Thats a Brett Favre-like stat , an amazing stat in an amazing career.

    James Blake 1
    Sam Querrey 1
    Alejandro Falla 0 in 152 matches
    Clement 1
    Gil 1
    Last edited by gregm; 01-23-12 at 10:15 PM. Reason: Looks like fed has all of 2 withdrawals now

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    Finding the right books for retirements are a must. Heehaww has a great blog on here for books and their rules on retirement rules but some may out of date, so check with your book.

    http://heeehawwww.mysbrforum.com/blo...ent-rules.html

    Off the top of my head at some of my books the rules on tennis retirements

    Betonline- one set must be completed
    Badlands- one set must be completed
    You wager- two full sets musty be competed
    Betrevolution- match must be completed.
    Justbet- two full sets must be completed.
    Pinnacle- one set must be completed
    Betfair- one set must be completed
    Matchbook -one set must be completed
    SIA -Match must be completed
    Bodog -match must be completed
    Bookmaker- Match must be completed

    I found this as well online but check with the book, they change all the time

    10bet - Void
    188bet - Void
    5dimes - 1 set
    888sport - 1 ball
    Admiral - Void
    Bet Jamaica - 2 sets
    Bet24 - Void
    Bet365 - Void
    Bet-at-Home - 1 ball
    BetChronicle - 2 sets
    BetClick - 1 ball
    Betcris - Void
    Betdaq - 1 set
    Betfair - 1 set
    Betfred - 1 set
    BetGameDay - 1 set
    BetGun - 1 ball
    Betinternet - Void
    BetKlass - 1 ball
    Betliner - 1 set
    Betonbet - 2 sets
    BetOnline - 2 sets
    Betoto - 1 ball
    BetPhoenix - Void
    BetRoyal - 2 sets
    Bets4all - 1 ball
    Betsafe - Void
    Betsson - Void
    Bettingstar24 - Void
    Betway - Void
    BlueSquare - 1 ball
    Bodog - Void
    Bookmaker - Void
    Boylesports - Void
    Bwin - 1 ball
    Canbet - Void
    CaribSports - Void
    Centrebet - Void
    Diamond - Void
    Digibet - 1 set
    Doxxbet - 1 ball
    Eurobet - 1 ball
    Expekt - 1 ball
    Fonbet - 1 ball
    Gamebookers - Void
    Globet - Void
    Goldbet - Void
    IASbet - Void
    Intertops - Void
    Interwetten - 1 ball
    Isibet - 1 ball
    Jenningsbet - Void
    Jetbull - 1 ball
    Justbet - 2 sets
    Ladbrokes - 1 ball
    LeonBets - 1 set
    LinesMaker - 2 sets
    Matchbook - 1 set
    Mybet - Void
    Nine - 1 set
    Nordicbet - Void
    Paddy Power - Void
    PartyBets - Void
    Pinnacle - 1 set
    QuickSliver - Void
    RaceBook - 2 sets
    RedBet - 1 set
    SBObet - Void
    Scandic - Void
    Sky Bet - 1 set
    Skybook - 2 sets
    Sportbet - 2 sets
    Sportingbet - 1 set
    Sports-1 - Void
    SportsBetting - 2 sets
    SportsBook - 2 sets
    SportsInteraction - Void
    Stan James - Void
    StarPrice - Void
    Stryyke - 1 ball
    Sunderlands - 1 set
    SuperBook - 2 sets
    TabSportsbet - Void
    The Greek - 2 sets
    TopSport - Void
    Totesport - 1 set
    Unibet - 1 set
    Victor Chandler - Void
    VikingBet - Void
    VIP Sports - 1 set
    Wagerweb - 2 sets
    WBX Exchange - 1 set
    Wettpunkt - Void
    William Hill - Void
    WinUnited - Void
    Worldbet - 1 ball
    WSEX - 1 set
    YaBet - Void
    YouWager - 2 sets
    Zedbet - 1 set

    Rules :

    1 Ball - At least one point must be completed for bets to stand.
    1 Set - At least one set must be completed for bets to stand.
    2 Sets - At least two sets must be completed for bets to stand.
    Void - All required sets must be completed for bets to stand.
    Last edited by gregm; 01-23-12 at 09:53 PM.

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    A lot of those names are unsurprising. Some of the biggest pussies on tour and questionable fixers as well.

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    Matchstat comparisons

    Michael llodra

    All Injuries

    Arm 32/2011 33/2011
    Rib 31/2011 32/2011
    Leg 23/2011 25/2011
    Elbow (doubles) 44/2010 45/2010
    Knee (doubles) 24/2010 25/2010
    Left hamstring 8/2010 12/2010
    Left hip 25/2009 31/2009
    Groin muscle 12/2009 19/2009
    Right knee 44/2008 1/2009
    Left arm 31/2008 33/2008
    Left arm 26/2008 33/2008
    Shoulder 25/2008 33/2008
    Left arm 24/2008 33/2008
    Unknown 9/2008 20/2008
    Shoulder (doubles) 2/2008 6/2008
    Right leg 42/2007 1/2008
    Leg 24/2007 26/2007
    Right leg 20/2007 22/2007
    Left Arm 4/2007 6/2007
    Foot 24/2006 32/2006
    Left Knee 9/2006 11/2006
    Left Knee 7/2006 7/2006
    Rib Muscle Strain 1/2006 4/2006
    Left Biceps 37/2005 38/2005
    Ankle 32/2005 36/2005
    Lower Back 30/2003 31/2003
    Ear 16/2003 25/2003

    All ret. & w/o matches

    32/2011 ATP Montreal (CAN) Hard Ernests Gulbis Michael Llodra 6-4 1-0 ret. Second
    31/2011 ATP Washington (USA) Hard Grigor Dimitrov Michael Llodra 4-3 ret. Second
    23/2011 ATP London (GBR) Grass Jo-Wilfried Tsonga Michael Llodra 4-3 ret. Third
    35/2010 ATP U.S. Open (USA) Hard Tommy Robredo Michael Llodra 3-6 7-6(6) 6-4 2-1 ret. Third
    8/2010 ATP Dubai (UAE) Hard Jo-Wilfried Tsonga Michael Llodra 7-6(9) ret. First
    25/2009 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Tommy Haas Michael Llodra 4-3 ret. Second
    12/2009 ATP Miami (USA) Hard Kevin Kim Michael Llodra 3-6 ret. First
    31/2008 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Richard Gasquet Michael Llodra 3-6 6-1 1-0 ret. First
    26/2008 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Mario Ancic Michael Llodra 6-4 7-6(7) 2-0 ret. First
    24/2008 ATP Halle (GER) Grass Nicolas Kiefer Michael Llodra 4-0 ret. 1/4
    42/2007 CH Andrezieux (FRA) I_Hard Thierry Ascione Michael Llodra 3-2 ret. Second
    24/2007 ATP London (GBR) Grass Paul-Henri Mathieu Michael Llodra 7-6(4) ret. Second
    20/2007 CH San Remo (ITA) Clay Steve Darcis Michael Llodra w/o Second
    4/2007 CH Heilbronn (GER) I_Hard Michael Berrer Michael Llodra 6-5 ret. Final
    9/2006 CH Cherbourg (FRA) I_Hard Julien Jeanpierre Michael Llodra 6-3 1-1 ret. Second
    7/2006 CH Belgrade (SCG) Carpet Janko Tipsarevic Michael Llodra 6-4 2-1 ret. 1/2
    1/2006 ATP Adelaide (AUS) Hard Florent Serra Michael Llodra 3-6 3-1 ret. First
    37/2005 CH Orleans (FRA) I_Hard Julien Benneteau Michael Llodra w/o Second
    35/2005 ATP U.S. Open (USA) Hard Carlos Moya Michael Llodra 6-4 6-4 2-1 ret. First
    32/2005 ATP Montreal (CAN) Hard Glenn Weiner Michael Llodra 5-0 ret. q-First
    29/2004 ATP Indianapolis (USA) Hard Todd Reid Michael Llodra 4-6 6-3 3-0 ret. First
    7/2004 CH Andrezieux (FRA) I_Hard Dick Norman Michael Llodra 7-6(5) ret. 1/4
    30/2003 CH Recanati (ITA) Hard Neville Godwin Michael Llodra 3-6 7-6(4) 2-0 ret. Second
    16/2003 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Peter Luczak Michael Llodra 2-1 ret. q-First
    7/2002 ATP Copenhagen (DEN) I_Hard Christophe Rochus Michael Llodra 6-3 1-2 ret. First
    26/2001 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Felix Mantilla Michael Llodra 6-4 6-2 6-7(5) 3-6 2-1 ret. First
    33/2000 CH Bronx (USA) Hard Jamie Delgado Michael Llodra 6-3 2-2 ret. First

    Roger Federer

    All Injuries

    Low back pain 1/2012 3/2012
    Sore groin 23/2011 25/2011
    Lung infection 8/2010 11/2010
    Fatique 23/2009 25/2009
    Back 7/2009 10/2009
    Back 44/2008 46/2008
    Thigh Strain 43/2004 45/2004
    Right Foot 7/2004 8/2004

    All ret. & w/o matches

    1/2012 ATP Doha (QAT) Hard Jo-Wilfried Tsonga Roger Federer w/o 1/2
    44/2008 ATP Paris (FRA) I_Hard James Blake Roger Federer w/o 1/4

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    Dont forget Jet lag with tipsy, some of these stats and names are really not surprising

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    Awesome thread Greg!!

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    Thanks Shari. I have never really paid much attention to these stats but in the modern game these are some fascinating stats. I was just looking at a nadal/federer thread and looked at these stats.

    Its amazing when people think of fighters, Roger Federer is beyond anyone in just being a fighter, Ferrer,Nadal, or almost any player still active. He has never retired in a match, you hear that sometimes but its like Favres record of 297 consecutive starts. You really see what an accomplishment that is by Federer, among so many others.

    Rafael Nadal

    All Injuries

    Fatigue 23/2011 25/2011
    Left shoulder tendinitis 45/2010 47/2010
    Hamstring (doubles) 23/2010 25/2010
    Personal 16/2010 17/2010
    Knee 3/2010 10/2010
    Stomach muscle 38/2009 40/2009
    Knee 22/2009 32/2009
    Fatique 46/2008 1/2009
    Right thigh 44/2008 1/2009
    Leg (doubles) 42/2008 44/2008
    Right knee 28/2008 30/2008
    Arm 33/2007 35/2007
    Foot 13/2007 16/2007
    Thigh 2/2007 3/2007
    Shoulder 24/2006 25/2006
    Leg 8/2006 8/2006
    Knee 43/2005 6/2006
    Left Hand 19/2005 20/2005
    Shoulder (doubles) 42/2004 52/2004
    Leg 15/2004 26/2004
    Right Leg 38/2003 1/2004
    Shoulder 21/2003 25/2003

    All retirements & w/o matches

    3/2010 ATP Australian Open (AUS) Hard Andy Murray Rafael Nadal 6-3 7-6(2) 3-0 ret. 1/4
    44/2008 ATP Paris (FRA) I_Hard Nikolay Davydenko Rafael Nadal 6-1 ret. 1/4
    33/2007 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Juan Monaco Rafael Nadal 7-6(5) 4-1 ret. Second
    2/2007 ATP Sydney (AUS) Hard Chris Guccione Rafael Nadal 6-5 ret. First
    24/2006 ATP London (GBR) Grass Lleyton Hewitt Rafael Nadal 3-6 6-3 ret. 1/4
    2/2005 ATP Auckland (NZL) Hard Dominik Hrbaty Rafael Nadal 6-3 ret. First
    15/2004 ATP Estoril (POR) Clay Irakli Labadze Rafael Nadal w/o 1/4
    38/2003 CH St. Jean de Luz (FRA) I_Hard Richard Gasquet Rafael Nadal 6-2 ret. Second


    Roger Federer

    All Injuries
    Low back pain 1/2012 3/2012
    Sore groin 23/2011 25/2011
    Lung infection 8/2010 11/2010
    Fatique 23/2009 25/2009
    Back 7/2009 10/2009
    Back 44/2008 46/2008
    Thigh Strain 43/2004 45/2004
    Right Foot 7/2004 8/2004

    All retirements & w/o matches

    1/2012 ATP Doha (QAT) Hard Jo-Wilfried Tsonga Roger Federer w/o 1/2
    44/2008 ATP Paris (FRA) I_Hard James Blake Roger Federer w/o 1/4

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    Noting all the top men who retire too often. Is there a comparable list for the women? Anybody know the overall stat % that a withdraw/retire would happen in any given pro match?

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    wow, one of the best threads here ever in the tennis forum


    w/ regards to the women retiring.... well, down 5-4 and facing match point in the fifth set..... "Oh shit, I think I just pulled my clitoris. Skip the trainer. Rush me directly to the hospital, Mr. Tournament Director"

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    Quote Originally Posted by katstale View Post
    Noting all the top men who retire too often. Is there a comparable list for the women? Anybody know the overall stat % that a withdraw/retire would happen in any given pro match?
    I'm pretty sure Azarenka leads the way by far..

    EDIT: She's retired 20 times and shes only 22 years old.

    All Injuries

    Right shoulder 20/2012 22/2012
    Left ankle 8/2012 10/2012
    Right foot 40/2011 42/2011
    Right achilles (doubles) 39/2011 40/2011
    Right hand strain 32/2011 35/2011
    Right adductor strain 24/2011 25/2011
    Right elbow contusion 19/2011 21/2011
    Shoulder 16/2011 17/2011
    Left hip 10/2011 12/2011
    Low back (doubles) 2/2011 3/2011
    Left adductor strain 40/2010 42/2010
    Concussion 35/2010 39/2010
    Right shoulder 31/2010 33/2010
    Right thigh 19/2010 24/2010
    Hamstring 15/2010 17/2010
    Left thigh strain 14/2010 17/2010
    Illness 5/2010 7/2010
    Cramps 43/2009 2/2010
    Right leg 42/2009 43/2009
    Right hip strain 24/2009 25/2009
    Right shoulder 14/2009 17/2009
    Illness 3/2009 5/2009
    Upper respiratory illness 2/2009 3/2009
    Right shoulder 42/2008 1/2009
    Back 39/2008 39/2008
    Abdominal strain (doubles) 31/2008 33/2008
    Left knee 25/2008 26/2008
    Rest and recovery 24/2008 26/2008
    Unknown 20/2008 22/2008
    Left knee 7/2008 13/2008
    Right abductor 2/2008 3/2008
    Right hip 19/2007 26/2007
    Unknown 17/2007 18/2007


    All ret. & w/o matches

    20/2012 WTA Rome (ITA) Clay Dominika Cibulkova Victoria Azarenka w/o Third
    40/2011 WTA Beijing (CHN) Hard Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova Victoria Azarenka w/o Third
    24/2011 WTA Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Marion Bartoli Victoria Azarenka 6-2 2-0 ret. 1/4
    19/2011 WTA Rome (ITA) Clay Maria Sharapova Victoria Azarenka 4-6 3-0 ret. 1/4
    16/2011 WTA Stuttgart (GER) Clay Julia Goerges Victoria Azarenka 4-6 ret. Second
    10/2011 WTA Indian Wells (USA) Hard Caroline Wozniacki Victoria Azarenka 3-0 ret. 1/4
    40/2010 WTA Beijing (CHN) Hard Timea Bacsinszky Victoria Azarenka 4-6 3-2 ret. Second
    35/2010 WTA U.S. Open (USA) Hard Gisela Dulko Victoria Azarenka 5-1 ret. Second
    33/2010 WTA Montreal (CAN) Hard Vera Zvonareva Victoria Azarenka 7-6(6) 1-0 ret. 1/2
    19/2010 WTA Madrid (ESP) Clay Shuai Peng Victoria Azarenka 3-0 ret. First
    15/2010 WTA Charleston (USA) Clay Christina McHale Victoria Azarenka 2-6 2-2 ret. Second
    14/2010 WTA Marbella (ESP) Clay Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez Victoria Azarenka 0-4 ret. 1/4
    5/2010 WTA Fed Cup, Europe/Africa Zone Group I (POR) I_Hard Sybille Bammer Victoria Azarenka 5-7 6-4 2-0 ret. Rubber 2
    43/2009 WTA Doha (QAT) Hard Agnieszka Radwanska Victoria Azarenka 4-6 7-5 4-1 ret. Robin
    3/2009 WTA Australian Open (AUS) Hard Serena Williams Victoria Azarenka 3-6 4-2 ret. Fourth
    42/2008 WTA Zurich (SUI) I_Hard Anabel Medina Garrigues Victoria Azarenka 4-6 6-3 ret. 1/4
    25/2008 WTA Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Aravane Rezai Victoria Azarenka 6-2 ret. First
    20/2008 WTA Rome (ITA) Clay Tsvetana Pironkova Victoria Azarenka 6-2 1-0 ret. Third
    2/2008 WTA Hobart (AUS) Hard Olga Govortsova Victoria Azarenka 1-3 ret. First
    19/2007 WTA Prague (CZE) Clay Akiko Morigami Victoria Azarenka 6-3 4-5 ret. 1/2
    2/2007 WTA Hobart (AUS) Hard Emmanuelle Gagliardi Victoria Azarenka 6-3 5-2 ret. q-Second
    45/2006 CH Pittsburgh (USA) I_Hard Aleksandra Wozniak Victoria Azarenka 6-2 ret. Final


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    20 times and only 22 yo

    lol, absolutely ridiculous

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