Tsonga- Fed predictions

professionalAD · 08-09-14, 09:05 PM

over looks good, tsonga serving tremendously

FlipsideRM · 08-09-14, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by professionalAD

over looks good, tsonga serving tremendously

I agree

matt1216 · 08-09-14, 09:19 PM

Tsonga +1.5 sets IMO... I have not looked at the line yet

SSVIR · 08-09-14, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

Tsonga +1.5 sets IMO... I have not looked at the line yet

Fed 2 sets to 0 now that we have Matt's confirmation. LOL

sluggy1616 · 08-09-14, 09:55 PM

fed -225 is my guess

FlipsideRM · 08-09-14, 10:58 PM

Roger -240 no o/u posted yet

matt1216 · 08-09-14, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by SSVIR

Fed 2 sets to 0 now that we have Matt's confirmation. LOL

LOL! HaHa! Goof.

matt1216 · 08-09-14, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by SSVIR

Fed 2 sets to 0 now that we have Matt's confirmation. LOL

Hit my Venus +1.5 sets with ease this morning.... All the dumb dumbs on Serena

Chaz22 · 08-10-14, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by professionalAD

over looks good, tsonga serving tremendously

Tsonga was actually struggling a lot with the serve. 1st serve went below 50%, was fortunate that he had such a puss on opposite side of the net failing so many times in numerous crucial moments. Fed will not give him such presents as he is still returning in a highest quality and does not fail so much.
The only chance for Jo to win this is if Federer himself struggles with his serve but that is unlikely to happen. This seems to be all Rogers week. Tsonga of course deserves a credit himself.

FlipsideRM · 08-10-14, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Chaz22

Tsonga was actually struggling a lot with the serve. 1st serve went below 50%, was fortunate that he had such a puss on opposite side of the net failing so many times in numerous crucial moments. Fed will not give him such presents as he is still returning in a highest quality and does not fail so much.
The only chance for Jo to win this is if Federer himself struggles with his serve but that is unlikely to happen. This seems to be all Rogers week. Tsonga of course deserves a credit himself.

I agree but disagree, Jos served bailed him out of crucial break points in the first set and Grigor crumbled after that. He had trouble serving right to left, but left to right was an ace nearly every time

brodie · 08-10-14, 01:38 AM

fed wins

matt1216 · 08-10-14, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by brodie

fed wins

I'm not so sure Brodie.... Tsonga will be looking for his first big title in a long time. These fast courts help the big server... If Tsonga serves to Feds back hand, he can serve and volley all day. He will need a much better serve today to be effective.

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by matt1216

I'm not so sure Brodie.... Tsonga will be looking for his first big title in a long time. These fast courts help the big server... If Tsonga serves to Feds back hand, he can serve and volley all day. He will need a much better serve today to be effective.

how did lopez's serve and volley go today

the hard courts help tsonga's serve as much as fed's serve. if tsonga wins, it will hav nothing to do with their serving

matt1216 · 08-10-14, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by SirtySree

how did lopez's serve and volley go today

the hard courts help tsonga's serve as much as fed's serve. if tsonga wins, it will hav nothing to do with their serving

What? Lol lopez's serve has been averaging around 206 this week. Tsongas 217km.... I can't bridge you just compared the two. Tsonga also has been hitting the largest bombs all week "236km" .. Larger than Raonic, Plus Tsonga knows Feds game.. Lopez has a decent serve, but he also dosnt play Roger often

matt1216 · 08-10-14, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by SirtySree

how did lopez's serve and volley go today

the hard courts help tsonga's serve as much as fed's serve. if tsonga wins, it will hav nothing to do with their serving

Your not serious with the Fed and Tsonga 1st serve speed are you? Look what happened to murray( arguably one of the best returners on tour) when Tsonga hit roughly 70% 1st serves. If Tsonga hits 70% tomorrow, Fed will not win

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by matt1216

Your not serious with the Fed and Tsonga 1st serve speed are you? Look what happened to murray( arguably one of the best returners on tour) when Tsonga hit roughly 70% 1st serves. If Tsonga hits 70% tomorrow, Fed will not win

I never once mentioned serve speed.

Federer is the greatest serve and volley player of all time.

Speed of serve doesn't = good server necessarily. Federer is one of the greatest servers of all time not because of his speed but the accuracy and consistency of it. Players like Lopez, Tsonga, and Gulbis are all faster servers but all lack accuracy and consistency and hence, less consistent in their overall results.

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 02:12 AM

If Tsonga serves 70% tmrw, will he win? He will give himself a great chance as he would be hard to break but at the same time, will Tsonga break Federer? Then tiebreaks are just 50/50.

Most likely in my opinion is that both players serves will cancel each other out and it will just come down to ground strokes and who wins the bigger points. That being said, Tsonga's chances of serving 70% are so slim whereas Federer is up there consistently.

zec · 08-10-14, 02:21 AM

Federer is not the greatest serve and volley player of all time, just to get that out of the way..

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by zec

Federer is not the greatest serve and volley player of all time, just to get that out of the way..

In my opinion he is and from the perspective of a lot of the greats that have played him have said the same in interviews over the years.

Who would you consider as the greatest or up there with Fed?

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by zec

Federer is not the greatest serve and volley player of all time, just to get that out of the way..

Just did a quick google search. Looks like im wrong as a lot of players before my time/Fed was considered great serve and volley players.

Would still say in my opinion he is up there all time or at least in his generation.

matt1216 · 08-10-14, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by SirtySree

Just did a quick google search. Looks like im wrong as a lot of players before my time/Fed was considered great serve and volley players.

Would still say in my opinion he is up there all time or at least in his generation.

Yes I agree, Fed is atleast Top 3 serve and volley players today. If Tsonga serves 70% first serve I feel he has a great chance to win as he also has played Fed many times, he knows his game very well. I think the fact that Fed has not played the the quality opponents this week may hurt him. Fed barely beat a out of form ferrer. He did beat lopez in 2 sets but even Raonic had 9 break points vs Lopez :/

Djohns04 · 08-10-14, 03:04 AM

Not saying Fed won't win but I don't think there will be any value in him the way Tsonga is playing. Then again I'm not sure if there's ever value in betting on Fed

jtoler · 08-10-14, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by SirtySree

Just did a quick google search. Looks like im wrong as a lot of players before my time/Fed was considered great serve and volley players.

Would still say in my opinion he is up there all time or at least in his generation.

He doesnt serve and volley much on hard and there really isnt any serve and volley players today like there were decades ago.

Simon Gruber · 08-10-14, 03:55 AM

Interesting debate. Fed isn't responsible for slowing the courts down. Imo a case could be made for him. He's as good a serve and vollyer as Pete was.

zec · 08-10-14, 04:02 AM

The reason why he shouldn't be considered the best is because he hardly ever does it. I would have McEnroe, Edberg and Sampras ahead for sure. Rafter probably too..

Simon Gruber · 08-10-14, 04:08 AM

If only the courts were as fast as they used to be, that sack of shit wouldn't have any GS titles.

SirtySree · 08-10-14, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

He doesnt serve and volley much on hard and there really isnt any serve and volley players today like there were decades ago.

Ivo Karlovic still does it on 90% of his serves but apart from him, theres only a few that do it over 50% of their serves. Groth and Herbert come to mind.

Simon Gruber · 08-10-14, 04:22 AM

Ivo is the only one who serves big enough for it to be advantageous. Isner is a horrible vollyer, as is Loserson.

Djohns04 · 08-10-14, 06:02 AM

I'm sure they're are a TON of better -215 bets on the board. Although -215 & good bet don't usually go together. gl whatever u guys do

Brooklyn Dick · 08-10-14, 06:27 AM

Anyone want to wager on Tsonga First serve at 70%? I doubt it. Like saying if he gets 20 aces he will win. This is a tough match any way you look at it. Federer is at the top of his game as is Tsonga.

ace888 · 08-10-14, 07:20 AM

rog wins and maybe over i guess

GoBlue77 · 08-10-14, 09:13 AM

Roger is VERY good friends with Jo Willie, not saying he isn't fired up to win an ATP1000 but he won't be crushed either. Think I will live bet this one as I don't see value on either player at the moment/

Snowball · 08-10-14, 10:46 AM

this is another wait for live action setup
i will take Roger if he's up a set or very close to up a set only.

FlipsideRM · 08-10-14, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Snowball

this is another wait for live action setup
i will take Roger if he's up a set or very close to up a set only.

Youll take Roger if hes up a set? What in the world would be the point of that? To bet him -1500?