This is how we do!!

[ilyak17]

I love this thread...this matt dude appears to be making his plays on bodog/bovada by the looks of his copy and pastes. I wouldn't be too worried about him though as he must be losing quite a bit that he doesn't show. I know this because barely two months ago I started using bovada's in-play betting and took them for over 5k in the span of about two weeks. At this point they cut my limits for tennis and soccer in-play betting to $9 max. The book knows what they are doing and must certainly be taking Matt to the cleaners on the bets he isn't posting on here. If anything, these in-play bets are either hedges or chases on his pre-match bets.

[poet]

I love this thread...this matt dude appears to be making his plays on bodog/bovada by the looks of his copy and pastes. I wouldn't be too worried about him though as he must be losing quite a bit that he doesn't show. I know this because barely two months ago I started using bovada's in-play betting and took them for over 5k in the span of about two weeks. At this point they cut my limits for tennis and soccer in-play betting to $9 max. The book knows what they are doing and must certainly be taking Matt to the cleaners on the bets he isn't posting on here. If anything, these in-play bets are either hedges or chases on his pre-match bets.

Ilyak,when you say you took them to the cleaners I'm assuming there is a way to do in-play betting that puts the odds squarely in your favor. Is it simply playing the lines as they change through the match and betting on both players (as the odds increase and decrease) as the match progresses, or do you also have to guess/predict what each player will do in a given situation, based on that player's history and current play. In other words, how much of it is true gambling and how much of it is simply playing the odds (as they change) in relation to what is most likely to happen regardless of who is playing?

[ilyak17]

The most important thing to success is being able to see the matches. There are a few more keys and I would go more in-depth but at the moment I can't. I have too much money there and am trying to move funds to other books as are now essentially worthless to me because they have worse lines than most other books and of course they deal me dual lines for mlb. Being from the US though, our piece of sh*t gov't tries to screw us in every way possible so cashing out and having a check clear from a book is a 6-8 week process. If I could spend a week on betfair, skybet, b365, william hill, etc. I would be in Heaven but unfortunately I live in the land of the free, where freedom doesn't actually exist.

[poet]

The most important thing to success is being able to see the matches. There are a few more keys and I would go more in-depth but at the moment I can't. I have too much money there and am trying to move funds to other books as are now essentially worthless to me because they have worse lines than most other books and of course they deal me dual lines for mlb. Being from the US though, our piece of sh*t gov't tries to screw us in every way possible so cashing out and having a check clear from a book is a 6-8 week process. If I could spend a week on betfair, skybet, bet365, william hill, etc. I would be in Heaven but unfortunately I live in the land of the free, where freedom doesn't actually exist.

Totally agree with you regarding "freedom" in this country. Bovada's lines are a joke. They'll have the favorite at -1000 and the underdog at +250. I'm exaggerating, but not by much. Basically they want to screw you no matter who you bet on. Of course, I watch the matches but am too afraid to pull the trigger. I constantly second guess myself. I know you don't want to discuss this too much but do you bet on individual games in each set or just on the outcome of the set and/or match as events progress? Also, do you use any statistical model to supplement your analysis and determine the likelihood of a break of serve etc, at different points in the match?

[ilyak17]

Also fyi I didn't say I took them to the cleaners, I mentioned that the book must be taking Matt to the cleaners. Me winning 5k from a book that makes millions is certainly not taking them to the cleaners. However, if I were permitted my previous limit I have no doubt that 5k would be much higher now. What I am getting at is that if Matt was raping them on Live betting his limits would surely be cut. Being his limits haven't been cut I can guarantee he is losing several other plays he is not showing us. Most likely he is either making a pre-match play, and then betting the other guy live, or even sillier, betting one guy live (whoever gets the first break) and then jumping on the other guy at the first sign of struggle from his original bet trying to chase back some of his losses so he is then guaranteed to lose because of the juice, while at the same time his bet history shows a winning ticket (also a loser) which he can copy and paste for all of us to see

Anyone else notice how once he was called out he all of a sudden made a few posts of prematch bets and finally some losers?

[ilyak17]

Totally agree with you regarding "freedom" in this country. Bovada's lines are a joke. They'll have the favorite at -1000 and the underdog at +250. I'm exaggerating, but not by much. Basically they want to screw you no matter who you bet on. Of course, I watch the matches but am too afraid to pull the trigger. I constantly second guess myself. I know you don't want to discuss this too much but do you bet on individual games in each set or just on the outcome of the set and/or match as events progress? Also, do you use any statistical model to supplement your analysis and determine the likelihood of a break of serve etc, at different points in the match?

Haha I like your exaggeration, and you are dead on, you aren't exaggerating by much. Surprisingly the lines for the men's semis and gorilla/azabrat match are somewhat close to other major books. Of course when you get to the tail end of a slam that is to be expected. The challengers and some of the 250/500 tourny lines on there are a complete joke though. You need to have a -150 fav on a normal site rated as a -225 or better to make them the value bet on Bovada and it irritates the hell out of me

[poet]

Also fyi I didn't say I took them to the cleaners, I mentioned that the book must be taking Matt to the cleaners. Me winning 5k from a book that makes millions is certainly not taking them to the cleaners. However, if I were permitted my previous limit I have no doubt that 5k would be much higher now. What I am getting at is that if Matt was raping them on Live betting his limits would surely be cut. Being his limits haven't been cut I can guarantee he is losing several other plays he is not showing us. Most likely he is either making a pre-match play, and then betting the other guy live, or even sillier, betting one guy live (whoever gets the first break) and then jumping on the other guy at the first sign of struggle from his original bet trying to chase back some of his losses so he is then guaranteed to lose because of the juice, while at the same time his bet history shows a winning ticket (also a loser) which he can copy and paste for all of us to see

Anyone else notice how once he was called out he all of a sudden made a few posts of prematch bets and finally some losers?

OK, Ilyak. So you mentioned all the things one shouldn't do when live betting (i.e., bet on both sides, bet against who you bet on pre-match, etc...) but you haven't said what you should do, except watch the match. Do you simply watch the match and then pick who you think will win (the match, set or game), or is it more complicated than that?

[ilyak17]

It is more complicated than that. As I said before, until I have no funds left on there I'm not giving up that info. The main point of my post was to warn others that I wouldn't take anything this guy says without a grain of salt based on him posting plays after the fact, and knowing first hand that the site I believe he is using is known to cut limits rather quickly on players who are able to profit off live betting, as well as deal dual lines to players who have shown they are willing to bet underdogs. This really isn't old news either as a simple google search of something along the lines of 'bodog cut my limits' will bring up several forum posts from others who have had the same thing happen, and some after making what would seem to be a very small amount.

Add it all up and I am inclined to believe he is a square as far as the book is concerned. And here you can see is my live betting max limit of a whopping $9 lol. Has nothing to do with challengers or atp/wta, just at the moment the challengers were the only live lines available where I could get a shot to show it.

[ilyak17]

And I have just a few posts so I know I don't have much credibility, but as anyone can see I have been a member for a long time and prefer to sit back and see what others are thinking and soak up as much info as possible before making my bets. I don't post picks or try to show an awesome record and convince others to follow me. I was simply irritated by this thread of what appears to be some guy posting winners after the fact trying to toot his own horn and then even worse is getting other people to actually ask for his thoughts on certain matches when he has shown no evidence of success outside of showing winning picks after the fact.

[ilyak17]

If you want some solid info check out EP36 and for WTA tevari usually has some good insight, although tevari has been MIA for like 5 days

*wouldn't blindly follow anyone, but EP for sure does some killer previews before most tournaments and usually has a fairly good read on most players...even with his trouble in the early rounds in Slams

[poet]

If you want some solid info check out EP36 and for WTA tevari usually has some good insight, although tevari has been MIA for like 5 days

Yeah, don't know what happened to Tevari. Could have used him today. His last post indicated he was drinking heavily . Thanks for the info. Maybe when you get your money out you can share your strategies. Just today Bovada put up a bad line 28.5 for the Djoker game. Of course, they cancelled my bet but had I made a mistake do you think they would have cancelled my bet? So I guess I'm stuck with my original over of 36.5 games. Hope it hits. I also put money on Nadal, in case Djoker loses.

[matt1216]

I love this thread...this matt dude appears to be making his plays on bodog/bovada by the looks of his copy and pastes. I wouldn't be too worried about him though as he must be losing quite a bit that he doesn't show. I know this because barely two months ago I started using bovada's in-play betting and took them for over 5k in the span of about two weeks. At this point they cut my limits for tennis and soccer in-play betting to $9 max. The book knows what they are doing and must certainly be taking Matt to the cleaners on the bets he isn't posting on here. If anything, these in-play bets are either hedges or chases on his pre-match bets.

Actually i was on quite a roll but thanks for your useless input!

[ilyak17]

Haha on Tevari, haven't checked his thread out in a few days. But to answer your question, to be honest, I don't trust them. If I spot a bad line I will never touch it again. Had a previous experience where I bet into a bad line and they freerolled me. They knew it too because less than 2 minutes after my bet the line closed so they knew something was up. Surprisingly it looked like it was going to be a winner but the player choked The bet lost and instead of cancelling my bet due to the bad line it was graded as a loss. Surely (well 99.99% sure) had I won, the bet would have been cancelled. You live and learn.

But especially being a US person betting offshore, its not smart to ever bet into a bad line or do any shady business as the lack of regulation leaves your fate in the hands of the individual book. Certainly no gov't agency is going to help you out when you say "I was betting off-shore, I tried to rip off the book by betting a bad line, but the bet actually lost, and now they wont cancel my bet." Its like saying I went to beat up some old lady and take her purse, yet in the process she whooped my ass with her cane and took my wallet.

[ilyak17]

Actually i was on quite a roll but thanks for your useless input!

Even Brandon Lang was "on quite a roll" at one time

[ilyak17]

Also like how you started a thread before the Youzhny match of Djoker putting on a show and taking the under 18.5, yet because it lost there is no mention of it on this thread, yet conveniently you do list a pick of Djoker -8.5, which did win...fraud much???

[matt1216]

I love this thread...this matt dude appears to be making his plays on bodog/bovada by the looks of his copy and pastes. I wouldn't be too worried about him though as he must be losing quite a bit that he doesn't show. I know this because barely two months ago I started using bovada's in-play betting and took them for over 5k in the span of about two weeks. At this point they cut my limits for tennis and soccer in-play betting to $9 max. The book knows what they are doing and must certainly be taking Matt to the cleaners on the bets he isn't posting on here. If anything, these in-play bets are either hedges or chases on his pre-match bets.

Hey genius, do u get a 100 % match bonus every week if u wanted for bei g VIP? Lol yur a clown

[matt1216]

Also like how you started a thread before the Youzhny match of Djoker putting on a show and taking the under 18.5, yet because it lost there is no mention of it on this thread, yet conveniently you do list a pick of Djoker -8.5, which did win...fraud much???

Yup i went 1-1 that game. I got the stuff to prove it man. Whats the fraud part????? Sure i lost a few, i also posted some losers nutsack

[ilyak17]

"This is how we do!!"

The title says it all. Sound just like all those tools with their "locks"

What I was getting at is in this thread you only have the winning play of the two posted. And what about all these challenger plays I see you posting on other threads? You appear to be selectively posting which equals zero credibility.

[matt1216]

"This is how we do!!"

The title says it all. Sound just like all those tools with their "locks"

What I was getting at is in this thread you only have the winning play of the two posted. And what about all these challenger plays I see you posting on other threads? You appear to be selectively posting which equals zero credibility.

Buddy watch these plays

[matt1216]

Sep 06, 2013 05:30:42 AM
2 Team Parlay #305160540


Tennis - ATP Challenger (Game) Moneyline


If either player retires before the match is completed then the event will be settled as no action.


ATP Challenger Tour - Genova Challenger, Italy


Brown, Dustin 1.67 Sep 06/13@06:00a




Final Scores


Arnaboldi, A 1


Brown, Dustin 2






Tennis - ATP Challenger (Game) Moneyline


If either player retires before the match is completed then the event will be settled as no action.


ATP Challenger Tour - Genova Challenger, Italy


Volandri, F 2.40 Sep 06/13@09:30a




Final Scores


Volandri, F 2


Carreno Busta, P 0






Outcome: Win


Date settled: Sep 06, 2013 11:01:56 AM


Web CA$ 100.00 CA$ 300.00






this one was befor match started..... I can also show u my challanger matches that i went 2/3 on yesterday to. Of course these are posted afterwards. Most these r live wagers. Yes my live wagers got cut to max 50$ at one point.... Do u know why????? Ill tell u why. They think your cheating. Ill admit i was caught. I had a live feed on a baseball game. You wager on hits or outs. Hits +200... Out -200 for example. I would have my 100$ waiting on the inbox and i would confirm it the minute that i saw that baseball fly to a gap. The books caught on after about 1000$ in winnings. They cut my live bet 50$BUT....... I found away around that. What im pissed off about is you coming in here and telling me that i must be lossing alot because all the plays are posted after???? Most of these r live wagers..... I get a feel and wager that side. Yes i dont win them all. I usually play first setters or watch and play second setters. I dont hedge that often, in fact rarely ever. I find it kinda crazy that you were cut to 9$ live wagering, ive never seen that befor. They obviously want you gone. You must have been cheating somehow. Ive been with this book for awhile(11/2 years)i know how they are.

[Hardcoar]

This Ilyak kid is unusually clever for an American pig.

[ilyak17]

Hot damn Matt you're dumb...once again you are posting picks after the conclusion of the match. So what did you do, look in your bet history and find your two winners out of your ten bets and copy and paste them? These matches were over and done with damn near 24 hours ago and you are just now posting them. Give me a few minutes and I can go and look through my history and copy and paste the bets I won yesterday while not posting any of the bets I lost, that way I look great.

I'm saying that you must be losing a lot overall because 1) you don't post your picks until after the result and 2) for how much you claim to be winning, your limits should have been cut. Bodog doesn't mess around when it comes to people winning on their live betting or certain props. They get the sense that you know what you're doing and they lay the hammer down. So, in conclusion, you must currently be way down for them to allow you to keep "winning" as you claim on your live bets, or there are many bets you continue to lose on that we aren't being shown.

I've been with Bovada since they were Bodog and Durant was still in Texas. They cut my limits way back then, but that was for nba/mlb/nfl. Back then they didn't have much for tennis live betting, and just like now, their pre-match lines were some of the worst available. Only recently came back, beat them for a little over 5k and got cut on tennis and soccer now.

[matt1216]

Hot damn Matt you're dumb...once again you are posting picks after the conclusion of the match. So what did you do, look in your bet history and find your two winners out of your ten bets and copy and paste them? These matches were over and done with damn near 24 hours ago and you are just now posting them. Give me a few minutes and I can go and look through my history and copy and paste the bets I won yesterday while not posting any of the bets I lost, that way I look great.

I'm saying that you must be losing a lot overall because 1) you don't post your picks until after the result and 2) for how much you claim to be winning, your limits should have been cut. Bodog doesn't mess around when it comes to people winning on their live betting or certain props. They get the sense that you know what you're doing and they lay the hammer down. So, in conclusion, you must currently be way down for them to allow you to keep "winning" as you claim on your live bets, or there are many bets you continue to lose on that we aren't being shown.

I've been with Bovada since they were Bodog and Durant was still in Texas. They cut my limits way back then, but that was for nba/mlb/nfl. Back then they didn't have much for tennis live betting, and just like now, their pre-match lines were some of the worst available. Only recently came back, beat them for a little over 5k and got cut on tennis and soccer now.

Dude, im not claiming that i have won them all. DID you miss the part where i said most were LIVE wagers! Holly crap! Of course i have some losers. Not sure what your problem is, but i Laugh at you being american. Bodog is canadian. I am Canadian takes me about 7-9 days to receive my cheques.



Now go troll some other threads. I find it funny that you have had an account for 3 years and ive never seen you once.

[ilyak17]

I find it funny that you are from Canada and eligible to play at the premier books yet you choose to play at bodog

[ilyak17]

And I already said why I haven't posted previously, read above dippy. Your thread was just so dumb I had to throw some comments on it.

[matt1216]

And I already said why I haven't posted previously, read above dippy. Your thread was just so dumb I had to throw some comments on it.

I dont think anyone really cares what u wrote earlier, so when you stopped in and decided to leave comments you were surely wasting your time lol. Way to go genius. You accomplished nothing here

[ilyak17]

Ruffled your feathers

[matt1216]

Sep 07, 2013 09:31:02 AM
Single #305385557


Tennis - IN PLAY (Prop) Moneyline


LIVE - ATP US Open - 1st Set Winner


Stanislas Wawrinka (Set 1) 2.70 Sep 07/13@09:00a


Competitor: Novak Djokovic (Set 1)


Web CA$ 50.00 CA$ 85.00





Not really.

[ilyak17]

Had Stan not gotten that 2nd break ten mins ago in sure you still be waiting to post this bet.

[matt1216]

Had Stan not gotten that 2nd break ten mins ago in sure you still be waiting to post this bet.

Lol.... Anything can happen its djokovic. Nice try tho

[matt1216]

Sep 07, 2013 09:59:12 AM
Single #305392391


Tennis - IN PLAY (Prop) Moneyline


LIVE - ATP US Open - 2nd Set Winner


Stanislas Wawrinka (Set 2) 2.85 Sep 07/13@09:00a


Competitor: Novak Djokovic (Set 2)


Web CA$ 50.00 CA$ 92.50

[matt1216]

Sep 07, 2013 11:07:56 AM
Single #305410173


Tennis - IN PLAY (Prop) Moneyline


LIVE - ATP US Open - 3rd Set Winner


Stanislas Wawrinka (Set 3) 3.20 Sep 07/13@09:00a




Final Scores


Novak Djokovic (Set 3) 3


Stanislas Wawrinka (Set 3) 6






Outcome: Win


Date settled: Sep 07, 2013 11:46:41 AM


Web CA$ 100.00 CA$ 220.00




Where r ya?

[ilyak17]

Taking my 600 on the over to the bank.

[matt1216]

Taking my 600 on the over to the bank.

Bet u wernt hitting +200 plays with that 600. -110? Lol notice how these are all dogs

[ilyak17]

well +money wasn't offered for the o/u so of course not...and still have yet to see you consistently post your plays before the outcome is decided. On top of that, wtf good is it for you to be posting your in-play bets? Its impossible for ANYONE to tail or fade an in-play bet at the quoted price and it does little to show you have any knowledge or skill about the game.

Saw your bets and posts about the ferrer/gasquet match and you were dead wrong with all of your gascan bashing and your big bet on ferrer appeared to have wiped out a considerable amount of whatever you may have made earlier in the match picking gascan to take a set or two. Like I said before, a person who has the opportunity to bet on one of the premiere european books yet chooses bodog as his #1 book is about as dumb as Brock Landers