after all Pinnacle is not so good ?

**byronbb** · 08-15-12, 12:49 PM

You are right. You might as well keep winning at Bet365.

**Emily_Haines** · 08-15-12, 12:53 PM

I have asked them to put up odds on certain soccer matches and they did

Yes, they don't offer parlays on some things and some of those other things are true, but this is why you have multiple outs to bet with.

**tukkk** · 08-15-12, 01:02 PM

such nits, sometimes they wait like 10h after SBO posted before putting up their soccer lines

**filipinho** · 08-15-12, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by pipita17

- i was comparing odds for tennis 2 day ago for example baker vs kohlscheirber. odds on baker at Bet365 were 5 at pinnacle 4.87, also over margine on troicki vs dodig was 21.5 at pinnacle 23.5

LOL, so then pinnacle had much higher price on kohlschreiber, and also much better under margine for troicki vs dodig...So simple...I wont comment rest, somewhere you are right, somewhere not, but Pinny is the best.

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by byronbb

You are right. You might as well keep winning at Bet365.

You gotta it all wrong .This is not about my winning or losing. Im just seeking for advice.

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 01:39 PM

[QUOTE=filipinho;15673372]LOL, so then pinnacle had much higher price on kohlschreiber, and also much better under margine for troicki vs dodig...So simple...I wont comment rest, somewhere you are right, somewhere not, but Pinny is the best.[/Q
Did i say anywhere that those are my opinion? No, i didnt. Im not even member yet. Obviously you didnt know that Baker was value that day and he won 2-0. But yes i have to agree with you that odds on german player were MUCH higher at Pinnacle...1.21. And next time please dont hesitate to write down your opinion. I mean whole opinion.

**filipinho** · 08-15-12, 02:24 PM

pipita17, difference between 1.21(Pinny), and 1.16(Bet365) is HUGE.Pinnacle usually have tennis juice 2-3%, Bet 365 5-9%.If Baker really was value that day, and you played him at bet365 taking best price, then your bet365 account wont last long.I now use Bet365 only for combo and live bets to avoid being limited/kicked.

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by filipinho

pipita17, difference between 1.21(Pinny), and 1.16(Bet365) is HUGE.Pinnacle usually have tennis juice 2-3%, Bet 365 5-9%.If Baker really was value that day, and you played him at bet365 taking best price, then your bet365 account wont last long.I now use Bet365 only for combo and live bets to avoid being limited/kicked.

I totally understand what are you saying but for me that is out of common sense to put money on odds 1.21 at all.the worst thing that can happened is to get limited. and regarding combo tickets you are giving them free money in 97 percent of case, like they dont have it much allready. i ussualy play double and as i can see in Pinnacle sports it can be sometimes sciene fiction to play like it, because obviously they have some issues or thing with parlays.

**Bill Dozer** · 08-15-12, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by pipita17

Please correct me if im wrong but here are some infos that ive heard from their advisors or other customers that used Pinnacle sportsbook
- no bonus, no bonus for deposit
- no bet by request, even though they say that their department will consider your request if there is something that you want to play but is not available. Anyway most books in this case turn down your appeal
- no adjustment or additional margine for tennis
- horrible, and i mean really bad live and in play market
- questionable parlays,in other words i have to pray to god that i may play what i want
- reduced juice and really good odds but that same odds are sadly falling down and going low very fast because everybody wants taste of that odds.
- i was comparing odds for tennis 2 day ago for example baker vs kohlscheirber. odds on baker at Bet365 were 5 at pinnacle 4.87, also over margine on troicki vs dodig was 21.5 at pinnacle 23.5 and there are other examples too, anyway somebody would say that there is not so many difference after all
dont to mention that this book is A+
So please guys if you have any opionion please be my guest and write reply. I really want to try that book but for now im not so sure if that is good idea.

It sounds like you are comparing them as a tennis book. They have greatly improved tennis markets over the past couple years. To be honest I couldnt outline the difference on tennis at SBO, Pinnacle and 365. But as far as book's go on North American sports, Pinnacle is still the best, even with their market volume reduced since leaving the US years ago.

**AribaAriba** · 08-15-12, 04:52 PM

bonus??? i'l take reduce juice lines to bonus anytime of the day and in the long run u'll see huge difference in terms of $$$

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by AribaAriba

bonus??? i'l take reduce juice lines to bonus anytime of the day and in the long run u'll see huge difference in terms of $$$

That is cool.But im not player that pushes and plays only single bet.

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

It sounds like you are comparing them as a tennis book. They have greatly improved tennis markets over the past couple years. To be honest I couldnt outline the difference on tennis at SBO, Pinnacle and 365. But as far as book's go on North American sports, Pinnacle is still the best, even with their market volume reduced since leaving the US years ago.

Im sorry if you get me wrong , i took only tennis as example and tennis market in general. I didnt compar them as tennis book and I sure dont know if even tennis book exist at all. If you just look on in play market at bet 365 and Pinnacle you would be see huge difference.Im not saying that Pinnacle is bad, i didnt even try it, and sure that book has a lot to offer, just i expexted maybe something diiferent and better from A + sportsbook.

**lukahh** · 08-15-12, 05:26 PM

what you listed is all correct and true.
still, pinny is miles ahead of b365

**pipita17** · 08-15-12, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by lukahh

what you listed is all correct and true.
still, pinny is miles ahead of b365

maybe it is but i really dont know.when you stated that can you at least tell me why? is it because they have better offer of american sports? and please dont tell me its only because low marge? it really piisses me off when i see something which i stated above specially when i see that they are giving additional margine or spread of other sports but for tennis no. no doubt that they are great book but please what chances or leverage has player there?

**Ruifgalmeida** · 08-15-12, 08:01 PM

Pinnacle will have the best price 60% of the time
Why take any thing less

**Santo** · 08-16-12, 12:27 AM

Why? Because if you win, you will get kicked from 365. You won't from Pinnacle..

**filipinho** · 08-16-12, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by pipita17

I totally understand what are you saying but for me that is out of common sense to put money on odds 1.21 at all.the worst thing that can happened is to get limited. and regarding combo tickets you are giving them free money in 97 percent of case, like they dont have it much allready. i ussualy play double and as i can see in Pinnacle sports it can be sometimes sciene fiction to play like it, because obviously they have some issues or thing with parlays.

Sometimes value is on favourite, sometimes on underdog, I too think more often on underdog because public usually loves low odds and favourite.Combo=double in my sentence from before.Pinnacle live betting is horrible but is it better to have Bet365 on few months or Pinnacle forever?

**Counterfeit Cash** · 08-16-12, 12:51 AM

pipita are you really trying to get an opinion, or are you just looking to argue everyone's recommendation?

**AribaAriba** · 08-16-12, 12:57 AM

i believe it diff players suits different books, if they're recreational players looks to have fun and have more options betting wise, pinny is not the wisest choice. But for real serious bettors who aims profit betting, pinny is a must.

**benji2501** · 08-16-12, 05:48 AM

Impossible to compare Pinny to Bet365 !!! The problem with B365 if they will limit your account very very fast ! As soon as you earn a little money they apply strict limits ! I hadn't earned more than 500 euros on tennis that they limited me to about 10 euros per bet on tennis !!! So how to do winnings with B365?

**pipita17** · 08-16-12, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Counterfeit Cash

pipita are you really trying to get an opinion, or are you just looking to argue everyone's recommendation?

im just trying to reply everybody. Wasnt thinking of argueing at one single moment.

**pipita17** · 08-16-12, 09:33 AM

Ok i see that this is going off topic. Nobody is not comparing bet365 and Pinnacle. That is not point of this. I respect your opinions. All i can see that Pinnacle is like a brand to you. I ll give you an example what im after for. For an example again tennis Djokovic -4.5 vs Isner +4.5 .odds on both side are 2.108. I want to play on Isner but +5.5 for of course price that is equal to this margine. I really dont give a .... about fancy website or the NAME of the books,because if you pay attention you will see that maybe 5 bookies are holding monopoly in this online betting bussiness and the rest is all the same. I want to feel like a player for real. When im playing at those books that everybody knows,im not feeling like a player, im feeling like a player that has 1000 kg on my neck.Im felling like im take a brand of books name and i dont want it. its not about that.Its all about game. And for record for everybody that is asking i quit bet365 with over 1200 euros. and i didnt get any limit from them. you ve got to understand that they control your account and if you arb or do something else that they dont like,of course they will put limit.but that is not the point here.
I like also when book is solid and decent but sometimes poor market is something i dont like.

**TennisProFrance** · 08-16-12, 09:33 AM

EU exchanges are far better than Pinny for Mr average, I don't even bother looking at them anymore as their odds just don't cut it for me. Of course with betfair you have PC which can change the picture.

**pipita17** · 08-16-12, 09:36 AM

Thanks for advice.

**Ruifgalmeida** · 08-16-12, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by TennisProFrance

EU exchanges are far better than Pinny for Mr average, I don't even bother looking at them anymore as their odds just don't cut it for me. Of course with betfair you have PC which can change the picture.

Not neccesary true if you take off the 5% comission betfair and pinnacle are neck to neck, on handicaps and spreads pinnacle will problably beat the exchanges after the comission.
My advice shop for the best price on every book not just pinnacle,bet365 or betfair.

**pipita17** · 08-17-12, 08:41 AM

searching for low profile book. any advice ..bring it on, or PM me.

**Ruifgalmeida** · 08-17-12, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by pipita17

searching for low profile book. any advice ..bring it on, or PM me.

What do you mean by low profile.

**pipita17** · 08-18-12, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Ruifgalmeida

What do you mean by low profile.

I wrote in post above what im looking for. If you know where i could find it i would really appreciate it. Im searching for that kind of book or bookie that can accept my bets.

**Digo** · 08-19-12, 12:05 PM

At least to me, Pinnacle is a must...

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 08-19-12, 01:27 PM

In tennis, pinnacle have 97.8% markets, bet365 and co have 93%. Thus, taking a match that starts soon, Goffin/Mahut, pinnacle have 2.02 / 1.87, while bet365 have 1.83 / 1.83.

Occasionally recreational books like 365 will be slow to move, and might then have a better price on one side, but if you take such examples, you'll get limited to $0.01 max stake very soon. It's not a real price, basically - rather than proper linesmaking, they prefer just to ban anyone who shows any sign of odds shopping.

**pipita17** · 08-19-12, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

In tennis, pinnacle have 97.8% markets, bet365 and co have 93%. Thus, taking a match that starts soon, Goffin/Mahut, pinnacle have 2.02 / 1.87, while bet365 have 1.83 / 1.83.

Occasionally recreational books like 365 will be slow to move, and might then have a better price on one side, but if you take such examples, you'll get limited to $0.01 max stake very soon. It's not a real price, basically - rather than proper linesmaking, they prefer just to ban anyone who shows any sign of odds shopping.

I honestly doubt that is the right term "recreational book" for firm that has god knows how many millions of clients in the world. Like I said that in previous posts that isnt matther at this topic. Do you even read what is replied here,at this topic ? Odds shopping ? Pinnace is brand, nothing else. I would really appreciate If you could tell me where i can do that "odds shopping".

**TennisProFrance** · 08-19-12, 04:54 PM

Your a young kid making your way in the betting world, you willl learn like we all did. Just bet where you want, try and find a winning method before worrying about other shit that you will encounter down the road. Your questions are niave but thats fine, your a boy, one day you will look back and smile.

**wrongturn** · 08-19-12, 07:09 PM

Just open the damned account at Pinnacle already. Ask silly questions later.

**durito** · 08-19-12, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

It sounds like you are comparing them as a tennis book. They have greatly improved tennis markets over the past couple years. To be honest I couldnt outline the difference on tennis at SBO, Pinnacle and 365. But as far as book's go on North American sports, Pinnacle is still the best, even with their market volume reduced since leaving the US years ago.

If their volume is reduced why are the limits higher?

They are way better for tennis than the other books you listed.

The OP should stick with british books. He is exactly the type of player they are looking for.