Isn't it time, SBR, that you gave us some more insight into Lowvig?

**dark star** · 07-20-12, 04:40 PM

This seems like a real tough question.....LOL

**Keith Richard** · 07-20-12, 05:07 PM

Are Dark star and Dark horse related?

**a4u2fear** · 07-20-12, 05:24 PM

Crickets

**mathdotcom** · 07-20-12, 08:17 PM

SBR as a player's advocate is a huge joke.

SBR only interested in solving disputes with F books and do not even pursue disputes with paid sponsors.

**HedgeHog** · 07-20-12, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

SBR as a player's advocate is a huge joke.

SBR only interested in solving disputes with F books and do not even pursue disputes with paid sponsors.

Not true as SBR is constantly pursuing cases involving Betonline (LowVig's unofficial parent book)--about half the complaints I read involve them. The huge joke is that BOL is still a B+ Book and SBR recommended.

PS I agree with the OP that SBR needs to confirm the relationship between BOL and LV.

**mathdotcom** · 07-20-12, 09:43 PM

For once we agree

**minet123** · 07-20-12, 09:56 PM

Isn't it obvious by this point what going on here

**LVHerbie** · 07-21-12, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by minet123

Isn't it obvious by this point what going on here

I'm slow at times so, especially since we are still absent SBR's opinion of lowvig, any chance you can share the obvious?

**minet123** · 07-21-12, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by LVHerbie

I'm slow at times so, especially since we are still absent SBR's opinion of lowvig, any chance you can share the obvious?

just opened the mailbox and found a can of Foster wrapped in the Herald Sun-A clear message from the Vegemite syndicate
Just keep bumping this thread

**Bill Dozer** · 07-21-12, 10:24 AM

Weve been told that BetOnline is not backing Lowvig money and there are different principals despite the hosting that we can all see is the same. We'll be heading down to Panama soon. While there we will see if we can speak to the folks there about that company structure.

No one has written in or asked SBR about Lowvig with the exception of the forum because former reduced juice players are on the LV marketing list. Other than that, they seem to have done a soft beta launch.

keep the lowvig feedback coming to the board.

**sharpcat** · 07-21-12, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Weve been told that BetOnline is not backing Lowvig money and there are different principals despite the hosting that we can all see is the same. We'll be heading down to Panama soon. While there we will see if we can speak to the folks there about that company structure.

No one has written in or asked SBR about Lowvig with the exception of the forum because former reduced juice players are on the LV marketing list. Other than that, they seem to have done a soft beta launch.

keep the lowvig feedback coming to the board.

Why are emails sent by Lowvig appearing with my Betonline account number?

If the 2 are unrelated I find it extremely incompetent on Betonline to share customer account information with LowVig.

SBR is steadily becoming the new RX with the constant lies and obvious favoritism towards sponsor books.

**Bill Dozer** · 07-21-12, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

Why are emails sent by Lowvig appearing with my Betonline account number?

If the 2 are unrelated I find it extremely incompetent on Betonline to share customer account information with LowVig.

SBR is steadily becoming the new RX with the constant lies and obvious favoritism towards sponsor books.

What I wrote and what you are reading is not the same thing. I didn't say they were unrelated and I'd agree with you about the unsolicited marketing material. My honest answer was I don't know the deal with Lowvig and standby...go on with your insults in the meantime..

**prop** · 07-21-12, 02:02 PM

Bill, some small feedback. A complaint came up on an affiliate forum when lowvig first came out that players were moved without tracking. This gauged some interest and led several affiliates to do a test. What they did was click BetOnline affiliate links with a clean browser and then visited BetOnline live chat asking if the site offered reduced juice. In all cases they were referred to sign up with LowVig.

When this complaint was brought up the affiliate manager said this was a mistake and he was getting it corrected. He then came back and reported that BetOnline support reps would not longer market lowvig to players affiliates referred via their links. And after that there were some tests and it stopped.

I'm not sure the connection and it's great your responded that they're not backing balances. This is just feedback that adds to the confusion (which you expressed), it seems so crazy BetOnline live chat was initially promoting lowvig to fresh leads coming through the BetOnline website. If having to give a cut to different partners, it seems like a bad move. In any case that's no longer happening but does add a little more to the mystery of Betonline-Lowvig.

**bookie** · 07-21-12, 02:14 PM

Will look forward to hearing more about LowVig. For now it seems every single sign screams, "Stay away!"

**sharpcat** · 07-21-12, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

What I wrote and what you are reading is not the same thing. I didn't say they were unrelated and I'd agree with you about the unsolicited marketing material. My honest answer was I don't know the deal with Lowvig and standby...go on with your insults in the meantime..

I do not mind the unsolicited marketing Bill, what I do mind is when you say that these companies are not financially related to eachother but yet emails that I receive from LowVig are addressed to my Betonline account number.

So explain to me why Betonline is allowing LowVig access to my Betonline account #????

Either Betonline is incompetent and is allowing a third party access to my important financial information or Betonline is being dishonest with SBR by saying they are not related. Why does SBR continue to recommend Betonline to its posters if that book is either incompetent when handling important player information or are dishonest to their affiliates about their operations?

Sorry if you are insulted by the truth Bill.

**mathdotcom** · 07-21-12, 03:45 PM

Pump a line at BOL and the line moves at LV and vice-versa.

**HedgeHog** · 07-21-12, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

What I wrote and what you are reading is not the same thing. I didn't say they were unrelated and I'd agree with you about the unsolicited marketing material. My honest answer was I don't know the deal with Lowvig and standby...go on with your insults in the meantime..

Bill:

Personally, I give you a lot of credit for responding--most SBR reps avoid BOL/LV threads like the plague. That said, don't you find it somewhat humiliating that BOL has so many SBR complaints and yet their rating remains unchanged at B+ (Hell I feel embarassed for SBR because you used to be better than that). Ask yourself, how many problems don't make it to this forum where BOL just steals funds and virtually no one else knows other than the victim? You're smart enough to know this is happening...right?

And what "top rated" Book opens up an unofficial sister Book void of any legit contact info. Why do this other than to avoid or stall legit payouts? We get that BOL is a sponsor Book, but come on---really. Sorry, but this BOL/LV situation does have a certain RX aroma about it. Basically a Sponsor has shit the bed (repeatedly) and no one at SBR wants to clean it up.

Respectfully submitted, Hedge

**mathdotcom** · 07-21-12, 11:41 PM

SBR staff are not following up with players on BOL complaints. I know of a few where the player is not getting any reply from SBR staff after the initial complaint was acknowledged as having been received.

Hmmm

**minet123** · 07-21-12, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Weve been told that BetOnline is not backing Lowvig money and there are different principals despite the hosting that we can all see is the same. We'll be heading down to Panama soon. While there we will see if we can speak to the folks there about that company structure.

No one has written in or asked SBR about Lowvig with the exception of the forum because former reduced juice players are on the LV marketing list. Other than that, they seem to have done a soft beta launch.

keep the lowvig feedback coming to the board.

I guess I will take my chances with the Vegemite syndicate
and taking all the BOL bs out of the equation
but a B-/C+ mostly Credit operation decides to send all their Low Juice recreational post up business off to panama and not even a peep from SBR
nothing
not a be "careful guys"
or
It's All Good
Nothing
sorry but something doesn't add up
and here is why I say so-when VIP closed last August and another VIP(GT Bets) opened with customer list
there where several threads where SBR commented
Low vig threads are avoided like they plague
Bill we are gamblers
we look for mistakes
and much like Summer fill in JJ, something doesn't add up

**chase hardy** · 07-22-12, 08:56 AM

The reason BOL is a b+ is because of the money! Everyone should know that. The more u pay the higher u stand. SBR can say all they want but I know some peeps in Costa Rica and they are having to pay SBR. Good luck to all bettors and fk BOL.

**Acarson79** · 07-22-12, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

SBR staff are not following up with players on BOL complaints. I know of a few where the player is not getting any reply from SBR staff after the initial complaint was acknowledged as having been received.

Hmmm

same here man......so frustrated

**minet123** · 07-22-12, 03:51 PM

(These example might not be always comparing apples to apples)
Exhibit A:The Greek an Advertising book here at SBR decides to close and move all account to heritage-at the time a non advertising private invite book-I find out from a thread by Bill Dozer long before Spiro sent me an email

Exhibit B:Matchbook rumors of their sale and closing started 6 months before they did anything in several threads there are example of where SBR called directly and than came back and told we the posters that they where not true.When it became true once again it was a thread here is to where i found out

exhibit C:Sportsbook.com or whatever they call them selves decides to "close" to the US market.SBR has an employee set up an account to see if that true.They don't even advertise and are rated D.Yet SBR cares enough to see whats "going on"

There are countless other examples as to where SBR is at the forefront of the offshore industry

Yet a B rated advertiser send all of their grandfathered -105 and a middle level credit operation send all their low juice post up of to Low vig and never anything until we as posters start these threads
sorry
something doesn't add up

**Dark Horse** · 07-23-12, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Weve been told that BetOnline is not backing Lowvig money ...

And that is fine with you? With many BOL players transferred to Lowvig? What happened to your commitment to players?

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We'll be heading down to Panama soon. While there we will see if we can speak to the folks there about that company structure.

You will see? Wow. You're off to their place, and you're not even willing to commit to finding out what's going on? Sorry bud, but you just gave just about everybody on this forum the finger. You switched sides, didn't you? It's books first now. The old you, I feel quite certain, would have picked up the phone and found out in five minutes what was going on, and slapped the book with a D-rating if they refused to clear up the financial situation. Whatever happened to that guy?

In the past your philosophy centered on holding books accountable. Isn't that what SBR was build on? How exactly has that hurt the company? You said it yourself. Only SBR posters play at this book... So the only reason BOL is playing this vague Lowvig game is that they know that SBR won't hold them accountable! Lowvig doesn't even have a phone number (lol), and players who therefore call BOL need to push hard just to be able to discuss their Lowvig account. And then, after a 15 or 20 minute conversation about a Lowvig account issue, they may be told -believe or not- that they should contact Lowvig directly about it... Lowvig, without phone, does have e-mail and an automated reply that they'll get back to you in 24 hours. But they don't! It's a joke. A slap in the face of players, and a slap in the face of SBR. Yet you may, perhaps, if circumstances are just right, discuss this while in Panama? Meanwhile, SBR has no problems reporting that BOL bought another book. So what if one book's advertising money slips through the cracks if they refuse to keep up player-acceptable standards? At least it would provide greater value for the books still able to advertise. If you accept this level of 'integrity' from a book, then what on God's green earth do you still stand for? And why do you act insulted when you're being compared to Therx? If you're so different, prove it.

**minet123** · 07-29-12, 11:49 PM