If Credit Wagering keeps this up, they'll be out of business fast

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  • dr03
    SBR Sharp
    • 02-20-06
    • 252

    #1
    If Credit Wagering keeps this up, they'll be out of business fast
    This is in regards to the who else stiffed credit wagering thread.

    I have no dealings with credit wagering, but they are operating illegally and should be reported.

    For one, they use a domain proxy to cover up who the owner of the domain is. it's domainsbyproxy.com. They protect credit wagering, don't disclose the true owner of the name. That name must be disclosed though if they violate domainsbyproxy.com terms.

    � If it comes to DBP’s attention that You are using DBP’s services for purposes of engaging in, participating in, sponsoring or hiding Your involvement in, illegal or morally objectionable activities, including but not limited to, activities which are designed, intended to or otherwise: (i) appeal purely to the prurient interests of third parties; (ii) defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, or harass third parties; (iii) violate state or federal laws of the United States and/or foreign territories; (iv) involve hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; (v) are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of a third party’s privacy, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; (vi) impersonate the identity of a third party; (vii) harm minors in any way; or (viii) relate to or transmit viruses, Trojan Horses, access codes, backdoors, worms, timebombs or any other code, routine, mechanism, device or item that corrupts, damages, impairs, interferes with, intercepts or misappropriates any software, hardware, firmware, network, system, data or personally identifiable information.

    Anyone who receives threatening phone calls from credit wagering should also contact there phone company for info relating to the call.

    What you can do with this information. You can contact DBP and get the owners information and file charges against him and put him away. All of his illegal activity is on the website and can be traced through internet wayback websites, log records that the server would have on hand.

    You have people saying there going to have people come up and attack them, threatening calls on the phone, illegal action on there website with definently questionable practices.

    Now if they do put up this stiff page. I read previously they said they would June 1, backpedalled til this upcoming week which was disclosed in that letter in the other thread. If that happens, contact the proxy, file the necessary papers and put credit wagering in it's place.

    I'm all for stiffs paying and yeah there an ass for not paying. Doing what they are doing though is 1. illegal 2. horrible for there reputation 3. wrong and they need to be accounted for.

    I also don't think "Ben" exists. I think his name is actually Luis.

    Why am i taking a stand on this. Sites like creditwagering are a detriment to this industry. Horrible business practices, illegal, threatening actions toward customers is just wrong.
  • betplom
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-06
    • 13444

    #2
    Credit Wagering = Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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    • dr03
      SBR Sharp
      • 02-20-06
      • 252

      #3
      Originally posted by betplom
      Credit Wagering = Federal Bureau of Investigation.
      Thought maybe initially. Don't think so though. A lot of people hide proxies so other people can't see who they are.

      "ben" or Luis Kopper-who i think is ben and the leader of this place, is most likely hiding his info because he's probably trying to cover his ass because he's probably operating in the United States.

      I think Luis got too emotionally involved, which will be the undoing. The stiff page clearly violates the proxy policy. Papers can be filed, his identity would be revealed and then it'd be game over. Even if he was in Costa Rica, which I don't think, his website content is a clear violation of the proxys policies which would force them to reveal his identity and in essence end credit wagering.
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      • MickChunky
        SBR MVP
        • 10-31-06
        • 1452

        #4
        So, you're a stiff?
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        • TPowell
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-21-08
          • 18842

          #5
          first post on this subject but why are people playing here??? It seems like a trap and there are MUCH better books out there
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          • AMBlai01
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-16-08
            • 5882

            #6
            Originally posted by TPowell
            first post on this subject but why are people playing here??? It seems like a trap and there are MUCH better books out there
            Simple answer...People know they don't have to put up any money and if they lose they are banking on the fact that they never actually have to pay in what they owe...
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            • TPowell
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-21-08
              • 18842

              #7
              yeah I understand that but it still seems like a huge trap. Credit Wagering def. has something going on.
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              • William Lee
                SBR Hustler
                • 02-11-08
                • 85

                #8
                You can bet your ass that the F.B.I. has something to do with Credit Wagering.com. Other wise this place would've been shot down already.
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                • THEGREAT30
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-04-08
                  • 8970

                  #9
                  something like what? there gonna lock everyone up that has been using creditwagering.com?
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                  • THEGREAT30
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-04-08
                    • 8970

                    #10
                    I definitely think its something up with them, but the feds are probably able to see every site that u go to, so why go through all of this trouble, plus unless u have had physical contact with them u can deny it to the end. I just dont think the feds have to go to this extent just like the can tap your phone they can tell which sites your using.
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                    • THEGREAT30
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-04-08
                      • 8970

                      #11
                      Originally posted by William Lee
                      You can bet your ass that the F.B.I. has something to do with Credit Wagering.com. Other wise this place would've been shot down already.
                      So are you saying that the FBI is in on all online gambling and sportsbooks? It says in an article on about.com that they operate out of Costa Rica, so if that's actually the case then I guess the FBI is in with BookMaker, Caribs, and so-on. I think its something fishy with these guys, but on the other hand, anybody with a good mind is skeptical about new people, places, and things. Simply because your not sure about them.
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                      • Cloak & Dagger
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-15-07
                        • 4781

                        #12
                        FBI dont give a rats ass about CW and their bush league website

                        that is unless....

                        whoever is running the show...is located in the good ole US of A

                        either way...its only a matter of time

                        those proxy domain companies would rollover faster than AT&T cellphone minutes if they were contacted by the right people

                        and when I say 'right people' I mean someone with authority or a lawyer

                        godaddy registration for CW expires in 2 months

                        its funny...CW thinks they are protected by a proxy
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82839

                          #13
                          FBI will let CW hang themselves. The moment a "real" stiff list goes up on the website they are history. Federal agents have created and stiffed CW accounts to bait them to do so and get taken down.

                          The super stiff list you see on the website are actual paid actors. They have provided their picture freely for the amount they stiffed CW. This is a fair deal. However, putting up a stiff list violates numerous federal laws and the FBI is salivating at the moment with the prospect of taking them down so easily.
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                          • accuscoresucks
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-03-07
                            • 7160

                            #14
                            credit wagering
                            a+ book
                            must have out
                            accept amex,green cards
                            fast payouts
                            tell them richie sent you
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                            • dr03
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 02-20-06
                              • 252

                              #15
                              I'm 90 percent sure they arn't involved with the fed.

                              I'll still maintain it's a couple of people running this site. Its a turnkey site essentially.
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                              • SSLP
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 02-29-08
                                • 5232

                                #16
                                Can someone tell me how their banking methods are so good?

                                something is up i tell you
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                                • Peep
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-23-08
                                  • 2295

                                  #17
                                  Dumb thread.
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                                  • Mudcat
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 07-21-05
                                    • 9287

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Peep
                                    Dumb thread.

                                    Agreed. I don't have much confidence that CW will be around for long but it has nothing to do with this tripe.

                                    Well I suppose it does in an indirect way. OP is probably a stiff and the existence of low-rent scammers like that is a big problem that will probably bring CW down some day.
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                                    • dr03
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 02-20-06
                                      • 252

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Mudcat
                                      Agreed. I don't have much confidence that CW will be around for long but it has nothing to do with this tripe.

                                      Well I suppose it does in an indirect way. OP is probably a stiff and the existence of low-rent scammers like that is a big problem that will probably bring CW down some day.

                                      I don't get why I'm a stiff because I pointed out there illegal business practices. I don't think you understand that sites like Credit Wagering do more to hurt the industry then better it.
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                                      • jjgold
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-20-05
                                        • 388179

                                        #20
                                        All offshore books are illegal period
                                        It can happen to any
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                                        • Peep
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-23-08
                                          • 2295

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          All offshore books are illegal period
                                          It can happen to any
                                          Yep.

                                          CR books are not immune.

                                          Neither was Neteller.
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388179

                                            #22
                                            CW
                                            WSEX
                                            Jamaica
                                            Bookmaker
                                            Carib
                                            ECT
                                            ECT

                                            All highy ilegal operations for usa customers, our gov't can get them on tons of gambling/tax charges. This thread is useless.
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                                            • firedawg
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 10-08-08
                                              • 39219

                                              #23
                                              i like cw. gave me a grand to play with. even with 100 max bet, i built it up to 1800. tues i cash out and see how they pay out.
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                                              • dr03
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 02-20-06
                                                • 252

                                                #24
                                                This isn't necessarily about the feds going after them as well. There site violates the DBP. It's more about DBP releasing who registered the domain with there location, address, all the info that can be used to determine if they are operating in the states.

                                                And even if they were operating out of the country, posters who have been threatened could then file charges against the owner. From the threads I've read on here, what they are doing is a felony at the minimum.
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                                                • FadeThePublic
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 05-08-08
                                                  • 653

                                                  #25
                                                  If people would just pay what they owe I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any problems.

                                                  Bunch of stiffs around here.

                                                  Just pay what you owe.
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                                                  • dr03
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 02-20-06
                                                    • 252

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by FadeThePublic
                                                    If people would just pay what they owe I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any problems.

                                                    Bunch of stiffs around here.

                                                    Just pay what you owe.
                                                    No argument with me there. Like I said, that doesn't condone threatening phone calls, harassment, etc. that posters have posted to this forum.

                                                    It just looks bad for the industry. Reinforces stereotypes of the you don't pay, I'm gonna threaten you and come to your house and beat you up ways. The gaming industry is already looked down upon enough. Could you imagine what would happen if they actually did bring somebody up to collect on this.

                                                    I'm looking at it from an industry perspective. I don't need it to be any harder for me to bet. There childish antics will make it harder if authorities end up getting involved with them and the posters making accusations.
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                                                    • pavyracer
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 04-12-07
                                                      • 82839

                                                      #27
                                                      The other option is to shoot them at the spot if they come to your house to collect. It is highly unlikely that Joe Blow the Enforcer of CW will go to the police telling them he got shot trying to collect an illegal online gambling debt.
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                                                      • smitch124
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 05-19-08
                                                        • 12566

                                                        #28
                                                        I just bet a teaser at CW, an agent just got paged...
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #29
                                                          CW is ok in my book now
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                                                          • Cloak & Dagger
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-15-07
                                                            • 4781

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                                            CW is ok in my book now
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                                                            • pats3peat
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 10-23-05
                                                              • 1163

                                                              #31
                                                              i cant see CW lasting more than a month longer, they're going to get busted
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                                                              • madmaxx
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 03-14-07
                                                                • 3289

                                                                #32
                                                                They were gonna post regular stiffs on June 1st, now its October 14th, the top of the June 1st list was gonna be me, Richkas (who now is married to them), picantel, and flyingillini.....I told them pick one of my 9 fake names and post it I dont care......they still wont do it
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                                                                • madmaxx
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 03-14-07
                                                                  • 3289

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Oh and one more thing cause i know CW reads this board....if you post that pic that isn't a pic i sent you but is one where you called me gay, etc. Not only will i have my lawyer send an injunction to your proxy but I will have your domain packeted from 12 oc48's for the entire AL/NLCS
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                                                                  • LT Profits
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                                    • 90963

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by dr03
                                                                    I don't get why I'm a stiff because I pointed out there illegal business practices. I don't think you understand that sites like Credit Wagering do more to hurt the industry then better it.
                                                                    Yeah, the fact that they pay promptly every week, their debit card is the most convenient form of payment I've ever had and don't have a single pending non-payment complaint really "hurts" the industry!

                                                                    In this era of USA customers waiting for weeks or even months for payouts, dealing with CW has been a joy and I do not understand why so many people are anxious to seem them fail. As long as they keep paying weekly without fail, you should stop starting ridiculous threads like this that could get them in trouble.

                                                                    Most of all, I don't want a book that I am collecting regularly from going down! (Although I did finish -200 this week...LOL)
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                                                                    • CaneDawg
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 08-25-08
                                                                      • 6256

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                      Yeah, the fact that they pay promptly every week, their debit card is the most convenient form of payment I've ever had and don't have a single pending non-payment complaint really "hurts" the industry!

                                                                      In this era of USA customers waiting for weeks or even months for payouts, dealing with CW has been a joy and I do not understand why so many people are anxious to seem them fail. As long as they keep paying weekly without fail, you should stop starting ridiculous threads like this that could get them in trouble.

                                                                      Most of all, I don't want a book that I am collecting regularly from going down! (Although I did finish -200 this week...LOL)
                                                                      Agreed.

                                                                      Nothing but positives for me at CW.

                                                                      Leave them alone and jump back on BODOG.

                                                                      Geeze
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