BetPhoenix

**touchback** · 03-13-12, 08:49 PM

Actually, has anyone gotten a payout from them in the last year and what were the time frames... I remember they canceled all payouts for 2 months last summer which did not bode well. Though in all fairness Jazz also did the same thing I think...

**LostBankroll** · 03-14-12, 12:43 AM

i wouldnt play there but you may find them to your liking

**RickySteve** · 03-14-12, 01:58 AM

Solid book, you will be paid.

**taxer** · 03-14-12, 03:04 AM

Bs book took a turn for the worst so many better options

**secretstash** · 03-14-12, 04:59 AM

when betphoenix and sbr parted ways.. their ratings took a dive.

I was also scared away to play there from all the chicken littles crying book will fold etc..

but 1 year later.. no payout complaints and book is still chugging along as well as opening new sister books like BetLatina.. etc

It is doubtful they are leaving for anywhere soon.

For the record I have a buddy who withdrew over 60k there and almost 30k at skybook (partner/sister book)... both of them paid out (slowly 5 k a week) but surely.

so I would trust them again based on that.. BUT I havent deposited there just cuz there is much better options currently imo.

-stash

**Monte** · 03-14-12, 05:03 AM

This is not a solid book, and never has been.
They had to kick or limit smart players, cos their line management sucked, no book will survive like that and i bet they never made any profit.

**tommygun** · 03-14-12, 08:30 AM

They were giving away a 900% bonus promotion in their casino if that is any indication?

**CRitchie** · 03-14-12, 11:40 AM

I would be worried about playing at a book that has a .com looks like all of those books are getting shut down by the feds

**erickvivar** · 03-14-12, 01:10 PM

I agreed with SecretStash, their ranking went down the moment they stop their relationship with SBR but I havent seen any real complaints around the forum. They've being now out there for a while so I will not be concerned. SBR Ratings are only a reflection of well funded marketing or outdated "reviews" so dont be too concerned about it.

**RickySteve** · 03-15-12, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Monte

This is not a solid book, and never has been.
They had to kick or limit smart players, cos their line management sucked, no book will survive like that and i bet they never made any profit.

Can be said about any book at the top of the screen.

**SBR_John** · 03-15-12, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Solid book, you will be paid.

They are far from a solid book and Ricky knows first hand. He is or was on a payment plan with them.

They have lost most of their key employees and their office is just a shell of what it used to be. See for yourself, its a mile from the airport just before the toll booth on the left. They used to have over a 100 employees in there along with Fernando on the lines and Richard in cs. Now days there is less than 10. The book was run into the ground by poor management. They may pay and they may make a comeback but for now the odds are against them.

**wrongturn** · 03-15-12, 01:35 PM

I suspect they still have a larger base in Asia. I had two P2P payouts, all were within a day or two. Waiting for a check payout, said to be a week.

**BigDaddy** · 03-15-12, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

They are far from a solid book and Ricky knows first hand. He is or was on a payment plan with them.

They have lost most of their key employees and their office is just a shell of what it used to be. See for yourself, its a mile from the airport just before the toll booth on the left. They used to have over a 100 employees in there along with Fernando on the lines and Richard in cs. Now days there is less than 10. The book was run into the ground by poor management. They may pay and they may make a comeback but for now the odds are against them.

thats what i don't understand when i see him post in every BP that they are solid

come on man!

it just makes me scratch my head.

send some more sheep to the slaughter house.

**Monte** · 03-15-12, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

thats what i don't understand when i see him post in every BP that they are solid

come on man!

it just makes me scratch my head.

Indeed, he is always on the list of ppl who need help when books are in trouble, but most of his posts would suggest otherwise...
lots of weird folks around on sbr.

**John Dough** · 03-15-12, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by CRitchie

I would be worried about playing at a book that has a .com looks like all of those books are getting shut down by the feds

Having a website seized and the book actually being shut down are two VERY different things. See Bookmaker.

**chance** · 03-15-12, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

They are far from a solid book and Ricky knows first hand. He is or was on a payment plan with them.

They have lost most of their key employees and their office is just a shell of what it used to be. See for yourself, its a mile from the airport just before the toll booth on the left. They used to have over a 100 employees in there along with Fernando on the lines and Richard in cs. Now days there is less than 10. The book was run into the ground by poor management. They may pay and they may make a comeback but for now the odds are against them.

Thanks John. I think it is important for the players to know this sought of information.

The reason RickySteve posts in every Betphoenix is he friends with the current owner. I think he is making a fool of himself by pushing them so hard.

**RickySteve** · 03-15-12, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

They are far from a solid book and Ricky knows first hand. He is or was on a payment plan with them.

They have lost most of their key employees and their office is just a shell of what it used to be. See for yourself, its a mile from the airport just before the toll booth on the left. They used to have over a 100 employees in there along with Fernando on the lines and Richard in cs. Now days there is less than 10. The book was run into the ground by poor management. They may pay and they may make a comeback but for now the odds are against them.

BP took some lumps due to horrendous management, that much we agree on. The chief culprits were the geniuses you cite as alleged assets. Current management has since paid 75% of a huge nut which most every other book would have walked away from, including most of the clowns at the top of the screen.

Maybe you have a backlog of payout complaints which haven't hit the news feed? Somehow I doubt it since you guys fall all over yourselves to post anything negative about BP.

Will you be posting the brick & mortar addresses of your sponsor books too? You know, to, uh, "protect players"? I know you are really busy so I will save you the work and start posting them myself.

Will DSI soon be downgraded on par with Phoenix since they are run by the same person?

I guess I'd be bitter too if I tried to run an affiliate scam and it failed.

**SBR_John** · 03-15-12, 05:58 PM

...and the truth will set you free!

So you are telling folks they are solid in hopes they finish paying you??? LOL scummy stuff

I will wager you what you are owed by strapped BetPhoenix that DSI is NOT "run by them". How much are they slow paying you for anyway?

**durito** · 03-15-12, 07:12 PM

They have been paying everyone regularly for quite some time. When will we see mention of the BOL slowpays?

**RickySteve** · 03-15-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

So you are telling folks they are solid in hopes they finish paying you??? LOL scummy stuff

Get out your bifocals and read my horribly negative posts on Jazz or WSEX, both of whom owe me more than BP. Seems to me the scumbag is the guy that tries to extort a book with bad publicity when they refuse to take a huge winner off the extortionist's sheet. That's just me.

Originally posted by SBR_John

I will wager you what you are owed by strapped BetPhoenix that DSI is NOT "run by them". How much are they slow paying you for anyway?

Who will be holding the money?

**Monte** · 03-15-12, 07:58 PM

John is on thin ice when talking about scummy stuff...SBR has sold out long ago.
BP was as solid as they come for a very long time, according to SBR. BO still is...
Bodog, Whill and 3.65 among the top 6 recommended books, all bullshit if you ask me.

**SBR_John** · 03-16-12, 10:09 AM

"Who will be holding the money?"

How much do they owe you, how much we talking?(your bifocals must of missed that part of the question) How long has the payment plan been going on?

Who do you want? Henry at Pinnacle? Ron S at Bookmaker? The Greek? Nelson Rose? Judge Judy?

**tommygun** · 03-16-12, 11:06 AM

Bet Phoenix was quoted as "being run into the ground by poor management".

Could we see some examples of poor management by this book?

**SBR_John** · 03-16-12, 11:14 AM

BP started out with Fernando on lines and a diversified clientele and sufficient investment dollars. As they grew they lost control. Fernando passed away and Richard was overwhelmed. We met with them several times leading up to our downgrade but the problems continued and started to accelerate. In hindsight they probably should have been a B or B-.

As far as Bodog goes, I will agree with what you said last year "Bodog is good as long as you can use them, that's the bottom line. Free money."

Bet365 and WilHill are good safe books with a great selection of offerings. They are not BetFair or Pinnacle and we tell players that. They cater to a smaller player and do a good job and they pay. BOL has never been an A book but they are fine in the B range.

As for our opinions not 100% matching your opinions, it would be a boring day if we all agreed. I would suggest that with over 50,000 visits a day we are on sufficiently thick ice but I don't want to split hairs.

**durito** · 03-16-12, 11:17 AM

You reported driving by and it appearing they were expanding and financially sound. At the time they were 4 months behind on payouts, but still had a banner. Now, payouts go out, no banner and they are close to shutting down? Sounds about right.

**durito** · 03-16-12, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

BOL has never been an A book but they are fine in the B range.

7/16/2007 09:58 AM
BETONLINE & BestLineSports upgraded from B+ to A-

10/21/2009 11:38 PM
BETONLINE downgraded from A- to B-

They are more of an A now than they were in that 2+ year period you had them there.

**Frogger** · 03-16-12, 11:27 AM

This is why I like SBR. I don't know if this conversation could happen on another forum with posts being deleted.

Personally I think both guys are probably right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Doesn't change the fact that SBR is the best out there for reviews.

**tommygun** · 03-16-12, 11:30 AM

Ok, so all I took from John's statement was their Linesman Fernando passed away, and then the business went down the plug hole?
So what was the problem? Throwing up weak lines, losing clients, being hit hard?

**RickySteve** · 03-16-12, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

How much do they owe you, how much we talking?(your bifocals must of missed that part of the question) How long has the payment plan been going on?

They owe more than your yearly alimony payments, less than the liens on your building.

The bifocal bit doesn't work quite so well on someone half your age, but good effort. What is clear, with or without lenses, is that you must have had an excellent education.

Originally posted by SBR_John

Who do you want? Henry at Pinnacle? Ron S at Bookmaker? The Greek? Nelson Rose? Judge Judy?

How about Dino? jajajajajajaja

Originally posted by SBR_John

BP started out with Fernando on lines and a diversified clientele and sufficient investment dollars. As they grew they lost control. Fernando passed away and Richard was overwhelmed. We met with them several times leading up to our downgrade but the problems continued and started to accelerate. In hindsight they probably should have been a B or B-.

Wait, you forgot to include the part where your package was deep in the red and you tried to shake them down by demanding the big winners be removed. They politely declined to be robbed and you began this negative campaign.

**robmpink** · 03-16-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

They owe more than your yearly alimony payments, less than the liens on your building.

The bifocal bit doesn't work quite so well on someone half your age, but good effort. What is clear, with or without lenses, is that you must have had an excellent education.

How about Dino? jajajajajajaja

Wait, you forgot to include the part where your package was deep in the red and you tried to shake them down by demanding the big winners be removed. They politely declined to be robbed and you began this negative campaign.

interesting

**Mr. D** · 03-16-12, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

They owe more than your yearly alimony payments, less than the liens on your building.

How about Dino? jajajajajajaja

Wait, you forgot to include the part where your package was deep in the red and you tried to shake them down by demanding the big winners be removed. They politely declined to be robbed and you began this negative campaign.

Hi Ricky Steve,

No SBR property has ever been subject to any sort of lien. Apparently Dino is your primary source of information, why not ask how his "liens" have altered his travel plans? Better yet, ask his creditors.

Relying on information from one "inside" party in this type of situation and then quoting their story as fact is not the sort of mistake I would expect from you. Your version of events is certainly interesting but unfortunately has very little basis in truth. If you had any interest in the facts concerning BetPhoenix I would suggest getting opinions from their competitors or customers as opposed to their equity-holders.

If you have had any sort of contact with Dino then you must realize how ridiculous the concept of him "politely declining" anything sounds. If you've ever incurred any benefit from SBR then you must realize how ridiculous the concept of us "robbing" anyone sounds.

Best regards,

Shannon

**erickvivar** · 03-16-12, 03:57 PM

We all know SBR ratings goes where the money comes from, it is their business. The problem is when they go negative on a book just because they stop paying their juice to them or they hide too much of the bad stuff of one of their sponsors.

If they try to keep it in the middle, they will be good. I like them, but they have tons of work to do on the objectivity part of things.

**RickySteve** · 03-16-12, 04:28 PM

Wow, the whole team is coming out on this one. It's a plain fact that SBR stopped supporting BetPhoenix as a result of a conflict with the affiliate package. You can offer your side of it; I've already shared what I know.

**chance** · 03-16-12, 05:09 PM

RickySteve why are you "promoting" Betphoenix so hard in these threads?

I don't have a financial interest myself in this discussion. I don't like it when the average Joe punter looks at these threads and gets misleading information. I don't like it when SBR over rates books because they advertise here either. But that is the business model.