The Greek Rotation Numbers

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Santo

I was disagreeing that people who bet US sports outside of the US don't know about the rotation numbers. The UK based group I worked with certainly used them frequently. If Jon had used them on his College Hoops totals I'd have paid more attention to them.

ok mate, but you'd have to admit you and your mates are in a small minority of non US based punters?

Monte · 10-02-11, 04:16 PM

Can you talk any more smack pls Hareeba?
US sports is popular no matter where you live for prof. bettors, get a clue pls it is getting embarissing.

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Can you talk any more smack pls Hareeba?
US sports is popular no matter where you live for prof. bettors, get a clue pls it is getting embarissing.

READ what I've been saying before shooting your mouth off again

skrtelfan · 10-02-11, 05:07 PM

Hareeba challenging Dark Horse for the title of most clueless person on this forum. I work with several people in the UK with betting American sports and we always use rotation numbers. Some of these guys aren't familiar with Kansas vs Kansas St., that sort of thing, so the rotation numbers help a lot in ensuring someone doesn't accidentally bet the wrong thing.

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by skrtelfan

Hareeba challenging Dark Horse for the title of most clueless person on this forum. I work with several people in the UK with betting American sports and we always use rotation numbers. Some of these guys aren't familiar with Kansas vs Kansas St., that sort of thing, so the rotation numbers help a lot in ensuring someone doesn't accidentally bet the wrong thing.

congratulations for being amongst the minority of UK punters who are into US sports and sophisticated enough to know about rotation numbers

now please tell me precisely where I am incorrect in anything I've said in this thread

durito · 10-02-11, 08:03 PM

try everything you say in every thread

Santo · 10-02-11, 08:14 PM

If your argument is that non-pro punters don't care about rotation numbers, I agree. Those aren't the people they were invented / are used to help though, and it's not a reason to do away with them - especially at Greek who proclaim to be a pro-friendly book.

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by durito

try everything you say in every thread

true to form

just pick ONE statement I've made in this thread and explain to everybody where I'm wrong

durito · 10-02-11, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

these rotation numbers mean nothing at all to anyone outside of the US - to the best of my knowledge nowhere else in the world has any equivalent - isn't it just a Vegas thing?

never have I needed to bother with them and I guess that's the way the Greek are thinking now

try this.

these rotation numbers mean nothing at all to anyone outside of the US

except everyone in this thread in non US and we all use them and find it annoying they are using different ones as has been explained to you 12 times.

if you meant they mean nothing to recreational players and other idiots from outside the usa fine, but they dont mean anything to those types of players inside the usa either.

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Santo

If your argument is that non-pro punters don't care about rotation numbers, I agree. Those aren't the people they were invented / are used to help though, and it's not a reason to do away with them - especially at Greek who proclaim to be a pro-friendly book.

All I said was that most non US based punters don't even know about rotation numbers.

I made no reference to pro or non-pro punters but obviously the more sophisticated a punter is the more likely he is to know about them just as he would about teasers and pleasers etc. which again the average non US punter wouldn't have a clue about.

I've not said anywhere that I support Greek or anyone else dropping them. I simply suggested that the fact that they are now no longer taking US customers could well be the reason they aren't fussed about using the Vegas numbers.

If there was such a keen interest in having them in the UK, Asia or Australia don't you think that at least some of the books there would use them?

Hareeba! · 10-02-11, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by durito

try this.

except everyone in this thread in non US and we all use them and find it annoying they are using different ones as has been explained to you 12 times.

if you meant they mean nothing to recreational players and other idiots from outside the usa fine, but they dont mean anything to those types of players inside the usa either.

ok, technically of course it was incorrect of me to say 'nobody' but surely nobody in their right mind would have interpreted it so literally as to believe I meant 'nobody'.

the obvious intention was to try to get the message across that the vast majority of non US punters know nothing about them but of course there are some punters in the UK, Asia and Australia that do bet on US sports and a fair number (but not all) would know of them

RickySteve · 10-02-11, 11:22 PM

Sports Options blows. Don Best should sue them into oblivion for infringement.

bigboydan · 10-03-11, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Sports Options blows. Don Best should sue them into oblivion for infringement.

Well I think we both know DonBest is better that SO however, On what grounds should/would/could they even sue them on though Mr.Ricky.

I think everyone here posting in this thread truly knows this is a big deal that place wagers at Thegreek and is a professional type player who wagers on the U.S. sporting events. Maybe Spiro is putting all his focus elsewhere and is truly trying to distance himself from the U.S. market altogether to the point where this is his nice way of frustrating his remaining players in hopes they stop playing there?

Monte · 10-03-11, 03:19 AM

You are lucky that SBR is so tolerant Hareeba, in most other forums you would have been "limited" long ago for polluting every thread with your nonsense and picking up fights with ppl who point out you are useless.

Hareeba! · 10-03-11, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Monte

You are lucky that SBR is so tolerant Hareeba, in most other forums you would have been "limited" long ago for polluting every thread with your nonsense and picking up fights with ppl who point out you are useless.

just point out a single statement which I've made which is incorrect and tell me why

else STFU

Optional · 10-03-11, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Well I think we both know DonBest is better that SO however, On what grounds should/would/could they even sue them on though Mr.Ricky.

I think everyone here posting in this thread truly knows this is a big deal that place wagers at Thegreek and is a professional type player who wagers on the U.S. sporting events. Maybe Spiro is putting all his focus elsewhere and is truly trying to distance himself from the U.S. market altogether to the point where this is his nice way of frustrating his remaining players in hopes they stop playing there?

Be nice if SBR asked Spiro what the reason is for us?

katstale · 10-03-11, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Well I think we both know DonBest is better that SO however, On what grounds should/would/could they even sue them on though Mr.Ricky.

I think everyone here posting in this thread truly knows this is a big deal that place wagers at Thegreek and is a professional type player who wagers on the U.S. sporting events. Maybe Spiro is putting all his focus elsewhere and is truly trying to distance himself from the U.S. market altogether to the point where this is his nice way of frustrating his remaining players in hopes they stop playing there?

I know 3 people who have already withdrawn. Maybe he didn't foresee this, but can't imagine pro's putting up with this given that Greek lines are not reduced. He will lose significant action with this move. Simple enuff if he wants the business back to go back to standard rotation numbers.

katstale · 10-03-11, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Be nice if SBR asked Spiro what the reason is for us?

This

Bill Dozer · 10-03-11, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Be nice if SBR asked Spiro what the reason is for us?

It's not real complicated. We mentioned this a while back when we gave the heads up that we need to redo the feed for the Greek. Obviously we aren't thrilled either having blank lines under a front page book and we'll have to redo the feed. Hopefully next week.

Originally posted by Santo

Sportsoptions recently added an option called 'Display open rotation numbers', which are also in this 4-digit format... they must be some kind of an alternative, though I'm not sure where they came from.

SportsOptions is putting up these game numbers and Greek is using them from now on. SO is calling them Open Rots.

H - You bet on Matchbook, today's College card had something in the region of 54 games. If you got an email, or a webpage, telling you to bet two specific games, wouldn't you find it easier to search by number than scroll through looking for the team? It's also less likely to cause confusion on the phone, "Bet 115 +5" is less prone to error than Bet "Texas +5" -- Texas? Texas Tech? Texas Christian?

That's probably the biggest thing for player... Guys pulling feeds or using the #s and printed schedules and calling from Vegas are going to need a separate reference guide.

RickySteve · 10-03-11, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Well I think we both know DonBest is better that SO however, On what grounds should/would/could they even sue them on though Mr.Ricky.

SO software is a blatant rip-off of DBS2K. Would never be allowed in any legit industry.

bigboydan · 10-04-11, 01:15 AM

Apparently DonBest is telling books to use the international rotation numbers unless they compensate them in some type of fashion. Needless to say most books aren't too happy about it at all however, their is some type of copyright stuff behind it I'd be willing to wager.

Optional · 10-04-11, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Apparently DonBest is telling books to use the international rotation numbers unless they compensate them in some type of fashion. Needless to say most books aren't too happy about it at all however, their is some type of copyright stuff behind it I'd be willing to wager.

Thanks Dan. Good to finally know the answer.

Sounds like a market opportunity for someone to jump in on both of them with a schedule that marries up both numbers.