Fair or Foul: Episode II

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  • BAUS
    SBR MVP
    • 08-10-05
    • 2191

    #1
    Fair or Foul: Episode II
    Looking for some opinions on the following:

    Let's say an MLB game begins at 7:05 EST. Now, let's say that around 2pm EST one team changes the probable pitcher. Within 10-15 minutes basically every book online has adjusted the listed pitchers accordingly.

    Now, let's consider the following prop bet:

    "Will there be a run scored in the 1st inning?" For the sake of this example, let's say the odds are: Yes -120 and No -110.

    Now at 6pm EST, a bettor wagers $600 to win $500 on YES -120. The sportsbook grades the play after the 1st inning has been completed as "No Action" citing the pitching change.

    So, should a bettor have a reasonable expectation that the sportsbook should be able to adjust their props given that they had 4 hrs to do so?

    Thank you,

    BAUS
  • acarmelo1
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-29-09
    • 6321

    #2
    Foul, the sportbook had plenty of time to adjust the line.
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    • King_Suckerman
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 04-12-09
      • 945

      #3
      Do you know if they changed the odds on other props on the same game?
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      • mighty maron
        SBR MVP
        • 04-20-09
        • 4215

        #4
        Will there be a run scored in the first inning Both listed starting pitchers must go for action. Game must go 1 inning for action. Max wager is $300. No Re-Bets unless $$$ is change.

        The book I like has this listed. 30 cent line on this wager at The Greek for this. You think with this margin of safety that the book would rush to put up the adjusted wager.

        Fair....missed opportunity from book
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        • BAUS
          SBR MVP
          • 08-10-05
          • 2191

          #5
          Originally posted by King_Suckerman
          Do you know if they changed the odds on other props on the same game?
          I don't know. I would assume they didn't.

          BAUS
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          • BAUS
            SBR MVP
            • 08-10-05
            • 2191

            #6
            Originally posted by King_Suckerman
            Do you know if they changed the odds on other props on the same game?
            But I DO know that they changed the listed pitchers for the money line, run line, totals around 2pm EST.

            BAUS
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            • wrongturn
              SBR MVP
              • 06-06-06
              • 2228

              #7
              Does the bet have condition like names of pitchers have to play? If not, the bet should stand. It looks like they did a free-roll as well.
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              • relaaxx
                SBR MVP
                • 06-15-06
                • 3281

                #8
                Originally posted by acarmelo1
                Foul, the sportbook had plenty of time to adjust the line.

                agree
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                • Ian
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 11-09-09
                  • 6073

                  #9
                  Book should honor the bet.
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                  • OSUCOWBOYS
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 10-26-07
                    • 241

                    #10
                    Foul. Not close.


                    Book name please?
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                    • odysseus
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 11-30-09
                      • 134

                      #11
                      Correct me if I'm wrong (UK) but if they change the listed pitchers for the main lines, shouldn't the new pitchers then become the listed pitchers? Thus any prop bets that specify listed pitchers must start should stand, especially if placed 4 hours after the book has changed the pitcher? Definite foul in my opinion.
                      Wouldn't be surprised if it was thegreek, they do funny things with prop lines! seen a few non-obvious errors cancelled
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                      • Ibrakadabra
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 10-30-10
                        • 271

                        #12
                        Foul, for several reasons. But grading as non action after knowing the result should be the most obvious one, that could never be fair.
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                        • bubba
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-29-05
                          • 2432

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ibrakadabra
                          Foul, for several reasons. But grading as non action after knowing the result should be the most obvious one, that could never be fair.
                          obviously book is wrong here and wager should be honored.

                          its amazing to me how many books do not list the actual pitchers names in the prop bets (5dimes does, greek doesnt). just seems like such a simple way to avoid these problems
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                          • skrtelfan
                            SBR MVP
                            • 10-09-08
                            • 1913

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bubba
                            obviously book is wrong here and wager should be honored.

                            its amazing to me how many books do not list the actual pitchers names in the prop bets (5dimes does, greek doesnt). just seems like such a simple way to avoid these problems
                            Yes exactly. If they just list the pitchers there is no problem.
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                            • bigugly
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-04-08
                              • 1329

                              #15
                              Originally posted by skrtelfan
                              Yes exactly. If they just list the pitchers there is no problem.
                              Yup. Not that difficult to avoid this problem.
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                              • SmashThat
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 02-19-11
                                • 14

                                #16
                                If they had already changed the listed pitcher on the ML earlier in the day then it's fair to assume they they had also updated all the other lines to reflect the change. Wager should stand.
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                                • HedgeHog
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-11-07
                                  • 10128

                                  #17
                                  Foul. Listing the pitchers' names with the prop bets will solve the problem. Otherwise, Books can use this to take shots at unsuspecting bettors.
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                                  • patswin
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-05-06
                                    • 1794

                                    #18
                                    foul
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                                    • BAUS
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 2191

                                      #19
                                      The book in question is citing a rule that states basically that the pitchers who are listed for the "1st inning shootout prop" (most strikeouts) are also the listed pitchers for the "Will there be a run scored in the 1st inning prop".

                                      I really don't know what to make of this. I made this bet under the assumption that if the pitchers listed next to the moneyline are correct, and have been for a few hours, then the props should be too.

                                      BAUS
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                                      • yisman
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 09-01-08
                                        • 75682

                                        #20
                                        Very foul.

                                        Book taking a shot at players.
                                        [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                        [/quote]

                                        [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                        • Thremp
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-23-07
                                          • 2067

                                          #21
                                          You were freerolled.
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                                          • ronald
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-31-05
                                            • 4919

                                            #22
                                            Sad that a book would treat an SBR founder this way.
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                                            • Stallion
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-21-10
                                              • 3617

                                              #23
                                              The book screwed up, you should be paid. Was the book bet365???
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                                              • Ian
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 11-09-09
                                                • 6073

                                                #24
                                                What book did this?
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                                                • cjwatsonfan32
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-24-11
                                                  • 1640

                                                  #25
                                                  Fair-its a sportsbook they do whatever they want
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                                                  • BAUS
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 2191

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Stallion
                                                    The book screwed up, you should be paid. Was the book bet365???
                                                    No, not them. I may file a complaint with SBR over the grading of this prop.

                                                    BAUS
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                                                    • donkdown
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 07-09-09
                                                      • 4423

                                                      #27
                                                      If the new Pitchers name was added already before u made the bet then it is 100% foul!!
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                                                      • LegitBet
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 05-25-10
                                                        • 538

                                                        #28
                                                        I've begun to see more and crap go on with props and good books lately.
                                                        I have this wierd nagging feeling there may be some 'dual line' category behavior as well.
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